Paladinus posted:

Oh, okay, just have read the one on Proteus effect. It was better than the one about blokes reacting to filthy words. I've learned that there's a thing called Rape Myth Acceptance Scale (go test yourself, shitlords, http://www.hhs.gov/ash/oah/oah-initiatives/paf/508-assets/conf-2011-herman-irma.pdf No, seriously, that's fascinating stuff).

The Monkey Man posted:

Has Sarkeesian covered the Senran Kagura series yet?

BottledBodhisvata posted:

Surely this has been linked by now, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57tXyqPCOCM

Paladinus posted:

Oh, okay, just have read the one on Proteus effect. It was better than the one about blokes reacting to filthy words. I've learned that there's a thing called Rape Myth Acceptance Scale (go test yourself, shitlords, http://www.hhs.gov/ash/oah/oah-initiatives/paf/508-assets/conf-2011-herman-irma.pdf No, seriously, that's fascinating stuff).
What I don't get, though, in this experiment they only tested people with RMAS after their experiences with avatars. They didn't divide their sample groups by any parameters other than race, too. So how could they establish that it's the avatar what affected those women's self-perception? There's also this paragraph that I find baffling.

So, does it mean that conservative nuts were right all along and women who wear sexy clothes dehumanise and disgrace themselves?

Note: just an hour ago I was been playing a game as some sort of a mermaid (that I don't think I find very attractive), so my judgment may be hazed by horrors of video games.

Sephiroth_IRA posted:

I sent here a tweet about kill la kill but I don't think she's ever going to review anime.

quote:

In January 2014 it was announced in Famitsu that a PlayStation Vita game developed by Meteorise, titled Dekamori Senran Kagura, is to be released in Japan on 20 March 2014. The game was described as a "hyper big breasts cooking rhythm game".

BottledBodhisvata posted:

See, now, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, your findings were proven to be somewhat weak and you are unwilling or unable to actually point out where Anita cited any of these studies, which we can't read in detail due to a paywall, but whose findings seem to be, as stated above, "Playing a game about sex makes you think about sex". None of these seem to suggest that there's an inherent link between violence against women and violence in video games.

You notice that I wrote a really long post about how people can't have a dialog, because they keep talking at each other rather than with each other? You are being disgenuous and dishonest, and I don't think my post nor my position warranted that.

natetimm posted:

Paying money to get behind a paywall doesn't make you an expert and those studies done on video games are poo poo. Being able to unscramble a dirty word faster after playing Leisure Suit Larry isn't indicative of a goddamn thing except people conducting a study with an agenda already in mind.

THE PENETRATOR posted:

Goffer posted:

I'm sorry you're a pleb who can't read online journals or watch her videos or read her blog properly. It's hard to have a dialogue with someone who can't do basic research by themselves.


hahahaaaaaa

1. I can't read these studies
2. But they are poo poo anyways

nice logic

Goffer posted:

I'm sorry you're a pleb who can't read online journals or watch her videos or read her blog properly. It's hard to have a dialogue with someone who can't do basic research by themselves.


hahahaaaaaa

1. I can't read these studies
2. But they are poo poo anyways

nice logic

BottledBodhisvata posted:

Surely this has been linked by now, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57tXyqPCOCM

Paladinus posted:

The one about Larry was really lovely, though. It literally says that people exposed to sexual content think about sex more.

falcon2424 posted:

But I've literally never seen anyone mention specific things they found surprising/clever/not already on TV tropes.

Is anyone watching her videos to learn stuff? Or is it purely a shibboleth thing?

Goffer posted:

I don't know which videos you are watching but the ones I've seen specifically don't say 'Trope X is bad, every instance of it is bad' but rather they say 'this can be bad because study X, Y, Z show that objectification of women in games causes men to objectify women and treat them as lesser people IRL while at the same time affect gamer women's self esteem, self worth and etc'.

President Kucinich posted:

What's Justine Tunney's opinion on chucking Zoe?

gently caress the ROW posted:

Let me tell you about the video game surveys - this is real and its happening right now lmao

This whole thing paints a really dismal picture of academia btw, especially those painful sarkeesian lecture vids. Most of this is tax funded

Al Borland posted:

hahahahaha. This whole thing.

gently caress the ROW posted:

Let me tell you about the video game surveys - this is real and its happening right now lmao

This whole thing paints a really dismal picture of academia btw, especially those painful sarkeesian lecture vids. Most of this is tax funded

natetimm posted:

I'm pretty sure she stays away from here since last time she got herself told to shut up by google.

aegof posted:

I doubt academia really gives a poo poo about video games yet. You can publish a study about dr who fanfiction, but that doesn't mean anyone's gonna start caring.

President Kucinich posted:

There is a severe lack of dark enlightenment involvement here and it's pissing me off.

fnox posted:

please give me 20 dollars so I can read the studies.

falcon2424 posted:

So the new-to-you info was in her discussion of the academic literature?

natetimm posted:

Not all of them are behind paywalls, particularly the first one I asked you about. Additionally, some of the others don't even refer to gaming and appear to be copies of the first article, or random surveys. It's OK, you googled some poo poo, didn't read it, and got caught faking it.

aegof posted:

I doubt academia really gives a poo poo about video games yet.

Goffer posted:

ok - what bank account and bsb, just post it I don't have plat

Goffer posted:

ok - what bank account and bsb, just post it I don't have plat


No, the fact that all you got out of it was 'trope is bad'


I just quoted what was in the video, doofus. And objectification is larger than just videogames, but is also a part of it.

BottledBodhisvata posted:

Surely this has been linked by now, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57tXyqPCOCM

Danger Mahoney posted:

are people for serious arguing about video games for realsies

natetimm posted:

Right but most of the objectification stuff you listed is about objectifying yourself, not another character. You're really presenting arguments in a dishonest way for someone claiming to be an academic.

quote:

So why does any of this matter? What’s the real harm in sexually objectifying women? Well, the negative impacts of sexual objectification have been studied extensively over the years and the effects on people of all genders are quite clear and very serious. Research has consistently found that exposure to these types of images negatively impacts perceptions and beliefs about real world women and reinforces harmful myths about sexual violence.

We know that women tend to internalize these types of images and self-objectify. When women begin to think of themselves as objects, and treat themselves accordingly, it results in all kinds of social issues, everything from eating disorders to clinical depression, from body shame to habitual body monitoring. We also see distinct decreases in self-worth, life satisfaction and cognitive functioning.

But the negative effects on men are just as alarming, albeit in slightly different ways. Studies have found, for example, that after having viewed sexually objectified female bodies, men in particular tend to view women as less intelligent, less competent and disturbingly express less concern for their physical well being or safety. Furthermore this perception is not limited only to sexualized women; in what’s called the “Spill Over Effect”, these sexist attitudes carry over to perceptions of all women, as a group, regardless of their attire, activities or professions.

Researchers have also found that after long-term exposure to hyper-sexualized images, people of all genders tend to be more tolerant of the sexual harassment of women and more readily accept rape myths, including the belief that sexually assaulted women were asking for it, deserved it or are the ones to blame for being victimized.

In other words, viewing media that frames women as objects or sexual playthings, profoundly impacts how real life women are perceived and treated in the world around us. And that is all without even taking into account how video games allow for the more participatory form of objectification that we’ve been discussing in this episode.

Compounding the problem is the widespread belief that, despite all the evidence, exposure to media has no real world impact. While it may be comforting to think we all have a personal force field protecting us from outside influences, this is simply not the case. Scholars sometimes refer to this type of denial as the “third person effect”, which is the tendency for people to believe that they are personally immune to media’s effects even if others may be influenced or manipulated. Paradoxically and somewhat ironically, those who most strongly believe that media is just harmless entertainment are also the ones most likely to uncritically internalize harmful media messages.

In short, the more you think you cannot be affected, the more likely you are to be affected.