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Elyv posted:Yes. I am very much looking forward to flipping him into Spelljack Guy. Repeatedly if possible.
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Molybdenum posted:There is morphling, torchling and thornling. Did they ever make white or black lings? Wind reaver almost counts... Not yet, they're waiting for the right time.
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Cunso posted:Not yet, they're waiting for the right time. It would seem weird and forced if they did this. Torchling made sense in the context of Planar Chaos, but do you really need to make one in each color now?
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Sep 4, 2014 19:52
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Esser-Z posted:Well, I imagine some stuff is for after Theros rotates... That's like 2 sets though. Chord is going to be around until Fall and Khans will only be around until the Spring 2016 set, so its not a very long period of time. I'm just not sure why you'd almost ever want to play the 4GG one (See the Unwritten) vs. Chord. See the Unwritten has a conditionally higher upside, but I think its (quite heavily) outweighed by Chord being Instant speed and letting you Chord in anything you want. Chording in Hornet's Nest during the block phase is pretty powerful. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Sep 4, 2014 |
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Sep 4, 2014 19:53
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LordSaturn posted:I am very much looking forward to flipping him into Spelljack Guy. Repeatedly if possible. That works? He's already face up when he becomes a copy, no?
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Sep 4, 2014 20:19
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:It would seem weird and forced if they did this. Torchling made sense in the context of Planar Chaos, but do you really need to make one in each color now? I think Thornling seems more forced actually. Torchling seems like a red themed card if you consider a fire growing or fading, but Green seems like a more static and permanent color, at least creature wise. An angel who channels holy power into a shield or sword seems to work alright, and some sort of zombie ooze (Castlevania Legion?) with the last point of toughness representing the "core" are less of a stretch to me than Thornling
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Sep 4, 2014 20:19
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Rinkles posted:That works? He's already face up when he becomes a copy, no? When Vesuvan shapeshifter flips it triggers morph abilities, similar to how playing a clone triggers ETB abilities. This was pretty relevant in Standard with Brine Elemental.
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Sep 4, 2014 20:25
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Rinkles posted:That works? He's already face up when he becomes a copy, no? It works, when you flip him he copies morph triggers because he is a copy as he flips up.
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Gensuki posted:I think Thornling seems more forced actually. Torchling seems like a red themed card if you consider a fire growing or fading, but Green seems like a more static and permanent color, at least creature wise. You realize that everything can be flavored one way or another and that such a card exists just because it would be enjoyable to play? Also, let me get this right with some interactions: There is an Arrest on the field and a hexproof creature. I cast Clever Impersonator and name Arrest. When Clever Impersonator hits the battlefield, it'll be arrest without a target, but since the aura is now out there, it can stick itself to any allowed permanent, bypassing hexproof. Is this right?
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Sep 4, 2014 20:29
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Ramos posted:Also, let me get this right with some interactions: There is an Arrest on the field and a hexproof creature. I cast Clever Impersonator and name Arrest. When Clever Impersonator hits the battlefield, it'll be arrest without a target, but since the aura is now out there, it can stick itself to any allowed permanent, bypassing hexproof. Is this right? Yep, similar to how, for example, Zur the Enchanter works, you can put Auras on him even if he has Shroud because they don't target.
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Rinkles posted:That works? He's already face up when he becomes a copy, no? Welcome to the wonderful world of rules text as source code! If Vesuvan said "when ~ ETB or turns face-up" then it would be a triggered ability that goes on the stack, causing him to die of 0 toughness before getting to turn into stuff. The same thing applies to regular Clone, and explains why Duplicant bothers having P/T values - so he can survive his exile ability being triggered. So instead Vesuvan, like most clones, says "as ~ ETB or turns face-up" which makes it a replacement ability. This means that it doesn't use the stack, can't be responded to, and doesn't target. Those things apply to all clones worded the same way, with the exception that while such a creature is on the stack, you can still get rid of stuff your opponent might want to clone; the "clone-ee" won't be chosen until the clone spell is already resolving, though. In this specific case, Morph is a Special Action, so if your Vesuvan flips up to become Ulamog, your opponent can't sac their Ulamog in response. poo poo is already done with, get dunked on, etc. Also specific to this case, yes, he definitely does get the flip abilities when he flips into a morph guy, gently caress Pickles Lock forever, amen.
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Sep 4, 2014 20:38
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Serperoth posted:Yep, similar to how, for example, Zur the Enchanter works, you can put Auras on him even if he has Shroud because they don't target. Well, that's a good start for white blue control post rotation. I'm sure I can figure out something to do with him.
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LordSaturn posted:Welcome to the wonderful world of rules text as source code! Appreciate the deeper explanation.
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Sep 4, 2014 20:55
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fadam posted:What's that fully automated Cockatrice equivalent called again? How active is the community on it? I assume you mean Forge, and it's single player with "really good for being fan made but not perfect by any means" AI. If it was multiplayer with rules enforcement theyd get shut down immediately
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Sep 4, 2014 21:13
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Mortimer posted:I assume you mean Forge, and it's single player with "really good for being fan made but not perfect by any means" AI. If it was multiplayer with rules enforcement theyd get shut down immediately There's XMage, which has multiplayer, drafting, rules enforcement, and less AI. It's good. Also a goon develops for it. If you're reading this dev goon PM me as I want to send you my patches. I added all missing Coldsnap white cards but it has a few bugs and my home PC is just too lovely for development unfortunately.
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Sep 4, 2014 21:17
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Sep 4, 2014 21:24
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Attorney at Funk posted:This card seems strong. There we go. This slots right into Rabble Red.
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Sep 4, 2014 21:25
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Attorney at Funk posted:This card seems strong. loving glorious, I'm buying Rabblemasters as soon as I get home. Now just give us another Jackal Pup, I don't wanna have to run Shock.
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Sep 4, 2014 21:27
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LordSaturn posted:loving glorious, I'm buying Rabblemasters as soon as I get home. But you have Firedrinker Satyr? Edit: Also that War-Name is really good just because it can't be blocked by Elvish Mystics and Caryatids. Which means it's priority number 1 against any deck playing forests.
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Sep 4, 2014 21:32
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Attorney at Funk posted:This card seems strong. Gore-house Chainwalker that gets by Caryatid? seems OK.
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Sep 4, 2014 21:33
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I really like that War-Name isn't brick walled by Caryatid on the draw. What's the second-best red 1-drop currently? Is there anything between Firedrinker and Foundry Street Denizen after RTR rotates out, or are we crossing our fingers for something in KTK?
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Count Bleck posted:But you have Firedrinker Satyr? We need another one, red is short of one-drops now. A 1/1 with a Raid ability wouldn't be great but probably playable, a 1/1 with Prowess would probably fit into Sligh just fine. Attorney at Funk posted:I really like that War-Name isn't brick walled by Caryatid on the draw. What's the second-best red 1-drop currently? Is there anything between Firedrinker and Foundry Street Denizen after RTR rotates out, or are we crossing our fingers for something in KTK? I think Frenzied Goblin is next-best, so yeah we're all praying for something better.
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LordSaturn posted:Now just give us another Jackal Pup, I don't wanna have to run Shock. I wonder if there's enough warriors that the 3B enchantment is actually going to be a real card.
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Sep 4, 2014 21:34
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Spiderdrake posted:Even if they don't, there are already three playable one drops. I'm entertained by the fact that that Aspirant has anti-synergy with Foundry Street Denizen. Not to say it makes either of them unplayable with each other, but it's funny.
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I think you guys are being a little harsh on Ferocious. Granted, it's an ability we've largely seen before, but even a cursory glance at Naya shows a bunch of cards that don't do much of anything unless you untapped with 5 power on the board. Ferocious seems to be along the lines of "do X, but Y instead if you have a 4 power dude", which is going to be significantly more relevant than "this card only does anything if you have a 5 power dude". We've only seen a handful of them, but I can see one or two Ferocious cards being constructed playable.
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The only bad thing you can say about that card is that it's kind of a nombo with Denizen Edit, Beaten.
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Spiderdrake posted:Even if they don't, there are already three playable one drops. Are you talking about Rakdos Cackler? Cos he rotates out. I want post-rotation standard with Foundry Street Denizen, Satyr Firedrinker, and some additional third Jackal Pup. To go with this facepunching motherfucker right here. I'm also going to run 1x Roar of the Horde maindeck and two in the side because gently caress your blockers, Roar-Stoke to take you down from twelve.
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Sep 4, 2014 21:40
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Beginning to think that the successor to Rabble Red won't be Mono red.
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Sep 4, 2014 21:45
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Yesssss Fuel for Clones.edh
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Attorney at Funk posted:This card seems strong. Welp, good thing my Jeskai control deck is gonna main 4 Anger 4 Magma Jet because this thing would be an absolute beating otherwise. ...is it weird that I'm only interested in UWx control after Sphinx's Revelation and Supreme Verdict leave the format?
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Froghammer posted:We've only seen a handful of them, but I can see one or two Ferocious cards being constructed playable. Admittedly, that's power level, not actual in play context. JerryLee posted:I'm entertained by the fact that that Aspirant has anti-synergy with Foundry Street Denizen. Not to say it makes either of them unplayable with each other, but it's funny.
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mcmagic posted:Beginning to think that the successor to Rabble Red won't be Mono red. Rakdos or Boros aggro would be cool but it's a little ambitious to try and curve Soldier of the Pantheon or Gnarled Scarhide into War-Name Aspirant with just Bloodstained Mire or Battlefield Forge as untapped duals.
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Attorney at Funk posted:Rakdos or Boros aggro would be cool but it's a little ambitious to try and curve Soldier of the Pantheon or Gnarled Scarhide into War-Name Aspirant with just Bloodstained Mire or Battlefield Forge as untapped duals. I think you're definitely going to want to being playing Soldier...
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ungulateman posted:...is it weird that I'm only interested in UWx control after Sphinx's Revelation and Supreme Verdict leave the format? No, because you don't like your deck being completely degenerate. 
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Attorney at Funk posted:Rakdos or Boros aggro would be cool but it's a little ambitious to try and curve Soldier of the Pantheon or Gnarled Scarhide into War-Name Aspirant with just Bloodstained Mire or Battlefield Forge as untapped duals. Shocklands in Standard have broken people's brains, I see. Not to mention there's also Mana Confluence. If we want to talk about greedy aggro mana bases, how about Mardu aggro with Mardu Ascendancy, Brimaz, Herald of Torment and Prophetic Flamespeaker? 
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LordSaturn posted:loving glorious, I'm buying Rabblemasters as soon as I get home. You can't run Shock anyways unless it turns out to be in Khans (not terribly unlikely, actually). Spiderdrake posted:There are already three. I will be very surprised if something like Relentless Assault isn't in this set. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Sep 4, 2014 |
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mcmagic posted:Beginning to think that the successor to Rabble Red won't be Mono red. Khans is going to have a multicolor theme, with great fixing and many reasons to play multiple colours. I don't expect many monocoloured decks, outside of the initial Mono Red Burn ones, simply because there will be no reason to limit yourself to one colour when splashing one more can give you much more stuff. Jeskai can get you neat tricks and enablers (like the flying one earlier), Mardu gives more value to non-hasty dudes, and Temur could very well include a decent curve-topping fatty, and if the fixing is as good as they want it to be, so that tricolour decks can be supported in Limited, I don't think there will be issues splashing a bit.
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ungulateman posted:Shocklands in Standard have broken people's brains, I see. Not to mention there's also Mana Confluence. And Confluance is up to 15 bucks. Sigh.
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ungulateman posted:Shocklands in Standard have broken people's brains, I see. Not to mention there's also Mana Confluence. I miss that Naya Human Blitz deck that used the insane manabase of shock-lands + cavern of souls to let you do things like Champion of the Parish into Burning-Tree + Lightning Mauler, swing for 7 on turn 2.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:The clone quote:There was just one problem. Ray of Command was much more valuable on defense than offense. Yes, sometimes you would use it to attack, but more often you would sit back and use it to wreck the opponent during an attack. Red is the least defensive color (in the fact that it doesn't focus on being defensive—its direct damage can serve as defense in a pinch) so there was some debate about letting red have Ray of Command. The solution, I argued, was easy. If we want red to use it offensively we just had to make it a sorcery. Then that would be the only way to use it. http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/mm/255
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