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Ariza
Feb 8, 2006

How Rude posted:

This exactly.
I don't have money. At all. I'm broke and going to college on financial aid and my parents are letting me live for free (they also do not have a lot of money) so that I'm not in thirty thousand dollars of debt because my older sister did exactly as you guys are telling me to do.

My wife, who is much smarter and much further advanced in her career than me, lived at home and worked full-time and paid for her school 100% out of pocket by herself. She also triple majored in biology/chemistry/psychology. If she had gone and "partied" during those years there's no way any of that would've happened. We're hosed either way because then she went on and finished med school, which was so stupid expensive that there's no way we could've covered that out of pocket.

I, on the other hand, did the normal college route of borrowing as much money as humanly possible and drinking and partying all the time. Life circumstances eventually forced me out of school (which I'm finally almost done with), but I wish I had taken her route. I regret wasting time and money. I don't look back on those days as the glory days, and anyone who does is a loser, akin to people who miss their high school days. I don't really care about this, but the jackass that told you to "get out of the basement" was so loving cliche that it irritated me.

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Mr E
Sep 18, 2007

I didn't mean regretting not partying all the time, as I focused on school anyway. I don't really care what he does, my post was probably misinformed anyway as I went to undergrad away from home so I didn't have a choice in the matter, sorry if it sounded like I was treating life like a movie (it did sound like that).

KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!


What is the point of accelerated online courses if I cannot work ahead? Why are they content locked? What is the reason for this? I would like to be able to just finish these classes in 4 or 5 weeks thanks.

Paper With Lines
Aug 21, 2013

The snozzberries taste like snozzberries!

KiteAuraan posted:

What is the point of accelerated online courses if I cannot work ahead? Why are they content locked? What is the reason for this? I would like to be able to just finish these classes in 4 or 5 weeks thanks.

bigger q: what is the point of online courses?

KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!


I assumed it was so that I could rush through an easy course in half to a third the time, not have my pace limited. Also, it saves me time on campus since I have to commute.

Hummingbirds
Feb 17, 2011

I agree. I have one right now that I could seriously finish in two or three days but I can only access one quiz/test a week.

Austrian mook
Feb 24, 2013

by Shine

chemosh6969
Jul 3, 2004

code:
cat /dev/null > /etc/professionalism

I am in fact a massive asswagon.
Do not let me touch computer.

Hummingbirds posted:

I agree. I have one right now that I could seriously finish in two or three days but I can only access one quiz/test a week.

If you're good enough to learn it in a few days, you just do some equivalency test instead and not take the class.

Occultatio
Aug 4, 2005

a massive toolclown who cannot stop causing problems

Oh my god.

A Festivus Miracle
Dec 19, 2012

I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

college textbooks.txt

I rented all mine and it cost me 200 bucks :smith:

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own
This is why people :filez: their textbooks.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug
I'm a math minor because the more math you know the better you get at computer science. This, of course, leads to studying some heavy duty advanced stuff. Every loving class happens at 8 a.m. All of them. I'm not a morning person and I especially don't want to try doing advanced calculus at 8 in the drat morning.

Ofaloaf
Feb 15, 2013

Forceholy posted:

This is why people :filez: their textbooks.
The best part about going for a history degree was that most of the textbooks were compilations of primary sources, and if you knew the title of individual documents you could look them up on archive.org or Project Gutenberg and get a plaintext copy for free.


The worst part is job searching after getting that degree, but eh, it's been tolerable.

SulfurMonoxideCute
Feb 9, 2008

I was under direct orders not to die
🐵❌💀

ToxicSlurpee posted:

I'm a math minor because the more math you know the better you get at computer science. This, of course, leads to studying some heavy duty advanced stuff. Every loving class happens at 8 a.m. All of them. I'm not a morning person and I especially don't want to try doing advanced calculus at 8 in the drat morning.

They always do this. I had both calculus and quantum chem at 8 am, and I barely even remember being there, let alone the actual content. Oh yeah, and genetics too, of course.

I also had to take kayaking for my current degree, which was 8 am Monday morning. I did not have the energy for that at all. Never did master the Greenland roll.

Austrian mook
Feb 24, 2013

by Shine
Don't take early morning classes

SulfurMonoxideCute
Feb 9, 2008

I was under direct orders not to die
🐵❌💀

When it's the only section available for mandatory courses, you have no choice.

Hummingbirds
Feb 17, 2011

chemosh6969 posted:

If you're good enough to learn it in a few days, you just do some equivalency test instead and not take the class.

That would sort of defeat the purpose of taking a bullshit class to bring me up to full time while I focus on three harder classes :)

It's easy because the class is just some multiple choice quizzes and tests with questions taken directly from the book. If I were to do it in a few days I wouldn't actually learn the material, but I'm probably not going to learn it anyway, because it's an elective that has nothing to do with my major.

Austrian mook
Feb 24, 2013

by Shine
God I hate all this loving red tape. Switching universities is a pain in the asset, especially when you take a semester off.

Cage
Jul 17, 2003
www.revivethedrive.org
Doesn't really affect me, but our university recently had to put 3 people in a dorm room because they're remodeling an entire dorm hall. They also had to send some of the students to another local college a few miles down the road. None of the students knew this before they came here. None were pleased.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Austrian mook posted:

Don't take early morning classes

As a course lecturer assigned to 08AM slot in Friday I fully approve this message. (If there is a continuous attendance of less than five students we can switch from the classroom lectures to just giving online summaries.)

chemosh6969
Jul 3, 2004

code:
cat /dev/null > /etc/professionalism

I am in fact a massive asswagon.
Do not let me touch computer.

Forceholy posted:

This is why people :filez: their textbooks.

That's why the textbook people started putting required stuff online, which requires the license to activate the online account, which is in the book.

There was a guy in one of my classes years ago that would buy the Indian version of the books for cheap. The quality of the book was cheap but it was a fraction of the price ($150+ regular US edition price vs $20ish).

Watermelon Daiquiri
Jul 10, 2010
I TRIED TO BAIT THE TXPOL THREAD WITH THE WORLD'S WORST POSSIBLE TAKE AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS STUPID AVATAR.
international editions are the best. I personally only ever buy used previous editions, as professors usually have problem lists for those as well, or get international editions. Of course, I'm waaaaay past the 'online license' stuff, so it doesn't matter too much for me.

Ariza
Feb 8, 2006

Watermelon Daiquiri posted:

international editions are the best. I personally only ever buy used previous editions, as professors usually have problem lists for those as well, or get international editions. Of course, I'm waaaaay past the 'online license' stuff, so it doesn't matter too much for me.

I had an rear end in a top hat professor that wouldn't let me use the international version for open book tests because it wasn't the official assigned text. It was $15 on eBay versus $190 for the brand new edition that I couldn't find for rent anywhere. gently caress textbook printers and Texas Instruments for making poor students shell out so much goddamned money.

Razorwired
Dec 7, 2008

It's about to start!
Seriously, "Because I need books and don't want to get a third job" is showing up on almost every scholarship application these days.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Watermelon Daiquiri posted:

international editions are the best. I personally only ever buy used previous editions, as professors usually have problem lists for those as well, or get international editions. Of course, I'm waaaaay past the 'online license' stuff, so it doesn't matter too much for me.

I've found that Bookfinder.com is pretty good for getting international or used editions. Or just about any book, really.

Sucrose
Dec 9, 2009
It's a pretty minor complaint, but one of my new professors has the worst handwriting I think I've ever seen. Literally not a single word is legible. And he writes in all-caps scratches. At least I think it's all-caps. Hard to tell, really.

Funktastic
Jul 23, 2013

My advisor put me into a three hour, night International Law class, which I was fine with since it still kept me with only two days of class. Most of this isn't really the fault of the professor, but unfortunately the class is long, and the professor is boring and he barely stays on topic. And I only got my textbook this week and I need to read 300 pages of it by Thursday while also doing the other work for classes I'm not behind in.

As long as I get caught up this week, I should be all right though.

My school also decided to remodel the old late night place on campus. Normally this would be fine since the place they're using instead of it is a lot closer to my dorm, but it doesn't have anywhere near as many options. And the only other late night place open when I get out of class is only available to people 21 and older at that point. I just want my $1 burrito.

Zeether
Aug 26, 2011

One of my professors had a habit for unfairly failing students.

Last year 3 of them who got hit by this hired a lawyer and won the case because the professor had no evidence. I wasn't aware of this until I heard it yesterday because he also did an internship I wanted to apply for and left the company after that happened.

He also used another professor's exams for the class which were stupidly hard and accounted for more of the class grade than the projects (it was a game design class)

Alterian
Jan 28, 2003

Zeether posted:


He also used another professor's exams for the class which were stupidly hard and accounted for more of the class grade than the projects (it was a game design class)

This is pretty common. Where I teach we have all of our class material on-line even for seated courses (projects, tests, etc). The lead instructor for a class updates the main section for the other instructors before classes start at the beginning of the semester and they copy it to their particular section to make sure each section is learning the same skills.

I'm getting tired of students expecting me to give them personal demos on how to do certain things because they weren't paying attention during the lecture or taking notes.

I'm also tired of students taking the one on-line section I teach when they have zero computer skills.

How Rude
Aug 13, 2012


FUCK THIS SHIT
Group projects in huge lecture halls in a class where you don't have friends with you are a total crapshoot. How am I supposed to trust these random people I just met to do their work and collaborate with me? It's going to be frustrating because the class in particular 80% of the grade is based off of the group's contributions, so I'm relying on three other people to do at least some of the work lest I have to do everything myself.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

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Pillbug

chemosh6969 posted:

That's why the textbook people started putting required stuff online, which requires the license to activate the online account, which is in the book.

There was a guy in one of my classes years ago that would buy the Indian version of the books for cheap. The quality of the book was cheap but it was a fraction of the price ($150+ regular US edition price vs $20ish).

I have a professor who not only doesn't list what textbooks he needs on the website but tells students to specifically not go to the bookstore. He specifically says that you can get a 3rd edition of the book for like $5 and it will have everything you need in it. The later editions have extra goodies but don't bother if you don't want them. He has some copies of the 4th edition that he'll rent to students and the money goes to pay for class supplies. He's a total bro.

Compare that to the school's policy of trying to hide the ISBN's of books on the bookstore website, listing all the books as "X book for Y University" as if there was some sort of difference, and specifically telling professors to not recommend buying books elsewhere and it gets even more batshit. Thankfully I have some professors that just flat out quit using textbooks or are cool with using whatever version you can get your hands on. But seriously, the textbook industry is a greedy fucker that needs to go away. The worst thing is the vans that appear on campus during finals week that generously offer to buy whatever textbooks you have for $5 a pop. Because, you know, that $180 textbook you bought that they're going to sell for $180 is totally worth $5.

Some books have digital stuff with a key that comes with them to try to force people to not resell the book and use it later. Fortunately the few times I've seen that the professor has been all "yeah you don't need that crap, just buy the book used, I don't care."

chemosh6969
Jul 3, 2004

code:
cat /dev/null > /etc/professionalism

I am in fact a massive asswagon.
Do not let me touch computer.

Alterian posted:

I'm also tired of students taking the one on-line section I teach when they have zero computer skills.

Student last week was complaining about needed a computer to see their account stuff online because they didn't have a computer. Same student was also going to register for online courses and was a remote student.

A Festivus Miracle
Dec 19, 2012

I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

Confirming 8 AM classes are horseshit. I took a summer school class just to avoid having to take the same class at 8 AM, the only timeslot in which that class is offered at my university.

And then I took an 8 AM class anyway because another course is only offered at 8 AM and it's a major course. :smithicide:

My next two semesters are going to be me showing up to school at 2 in the afternoon, unshowered, in pajamas.

Irish Joe
Jul 23, 2007

by Lowtax
The worst part about morning classes are the students who've never held a job or had any responsibilities in their lives acting like waking up at 7:00am is the worst thing in the world. Nobody between the ages of 18 and 25 should have any problem functioning at any time of the day for any reason.

Man the gently caress up, you whiny loving babies.

Aerofallosov
Oct 3, 2007

Friend to Fishes. Just keep swimming.

Irish Joe posted:

The worst part about morning classes are the students who've never held a job or had any responsibilities in their lives acting like waking up at 7:00am is the worst thing in the world. Nobody between the ages of 18 and 25 should have any problem functioning at any time of the day for any reason.

Man the gently caress up, you whiny loving babies.

Because no one has health issues, jobs, loud neighbors or roommates, lives near highways or railroad tracks or anything. Ever.

I hated 8AM courses because I had to catch a bus at 7:05 that was usually full by the time it got to me. And if I couldn't squeeze on, I wasn't going to get to class. I couldn't walk to school due to the highways. Awesome.

Basil Hayden
Oct 9, 2012

1921!

Irish Joe posted:

The worst part about morning classes are the students who've never held a job or had any responsibilities in their lives acting like waking up at 7:00am is the worst thing in the world. Nobody between the ages of 18 and 25 should have any problem functioning at any time of the day for any reason.

Man the gently caress up, you whiny loving babies.

Really the biggest problem I remember the last time I took an 8am class was that most days the professor was clearly awake significantly earlier than he was comfortable with and would regularly lose his train of thought mid-example.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

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Pillbug

Irish Joe posted:

The worst part about morning classes are the students who've never held a job or had any responsibilities in their lives acting like waking up at 7:00am is the worst thing in the world. Nobody between the ages of 18 and 25 should have any problem functioning at any time of the day for any reason.

Man the gently caress up, you whiny loving babies.

I suffer from severe insomnia sometimes and there is also a such thing as a circadian rhythm. Some people can spring out of bed at 5:30 in the morning, ready to face the day, and that's fine. Some people are just not that type. Then you have people like me whose sleep schedule is an utter disaster at all times thanks to nightmares, PTSD, and other assorted issues on top of the insomnia. Anything 11 a.m. or later I don't have much trouble getting to and it gets easier the later it is but 8 a.m? Bump that noise.

And yes, I generally go after jobs that I don't need to be up really early for.

Basil Hayden posted:

Really the biggest problem I remember the last time I took an 8am class was that most days the professor was clearly awake significantly earlier than he was comfortable with and would regularly lose his train of thought mid-example.

Yeah I've seen this before too. Really, when even the professor doesn't want to be there at that time it's probably a bad sign.

Irish Joe
Jul 23, 2007

by Lowtax

ToxicSlurpee posted:

Anything 11 a.m. or later I don't have much trouble getting to and it gets easier the later it is but 8 a.m? Bump that noise.

You need to see a doctor because that's neither healthy, normal or desirable. I'm sure you can live a great life working third-shift jobs at the Wal-Mart, but if you want to be part of civilized human society, you need to get up at a respectable hour.

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

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Classes in school were all starting at 8:00 AM for every pupil every day from first to thirteenth grade in Germany, then for my Chemistry education at University every course was mandatory and starting at 8:00 AM, too. As I moved from country (during my school days) to the city (for Uni), I could actually sleep an hour longer in Uni. I have no idea how some of you might have survived in our socialist wasteland of Europe.

On the other hand, I bought a single textbook because I wanted to, nothing was mandatory or, apparently, needed.

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Cage
Jul 17, 2003
www.revivethedrive.org

Irish Joe posted:

You need to see a doctor because that's neither healthy, normal or desirable. I'm sure you can live a great life working third-shift jobs at the Wal-Mart, but if you want to be part of civilized human society, you need to get up at a respectable hour.

Yeah, Walmart is the only job with third shifts. That post was pretty dickish guess you had to wake up too early today.

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