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goferchan posted:When's the last time we've seen a card with both Trample and Deathtouch and what was the rarity? I think that's a pretty unintuitive rules interaction for new players and I'm wondering if it's something they'd do below rare nowadays  Only card I could find with both Trample and Deathtouch. And that's extremely conditional. It's not something they're ever likely to make again because of how un-intuitive the interaction is to new players and/or players who haven't seen it before.
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goferchan posted:When's the last time we've seen a card with both Trample and Deathtouch and what was the rarity? I think that's a pretty unintuitive rules interaction for new players and I'm wondering if it's something they'd do below rare nowadays
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Sep 6, 2014 06:32
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Nylea and her Bow combine to give creatures Deathtouch and Trample. Apart from the Garruks that's the closest thing I can think of to a conscious marrying of the two abilities.
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Sep 6, 2014 06:54
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Deathtouch and Trample individually are common enough singly on both creatures and combat tricks/enhancements that trying to keep it from coming up seems like a fool's errand. All it takes is one 13-year-old casting Necrobite on their Yavimaya Wurm at the lunch table and the false vacuum collapses.
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Sep 6, 2014 07:25
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It doesn't cost them anything not to put them on the same card. It's not like there's a wealth of cool design space they're giving up.
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Sep 6, 2014 07:32
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Crusaderking posted:How did everyone's FNM go? I went 2-2 with mono-white heroic, which is far better than I thought I would do. Ran Naya Hexproof for fun, went 2-2. Blow outs are pretty big at times with ghor clan and Boros charm. I also got blown out when my opponent went off pretty early and dropped in a sylvan primordial to blow up my single land. The deck definitely loses to its manabase more than to your opponent. Seems like so many people are running mono green or mono green splash blue.
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Sep 6, 2014 07:36
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Crusaderking posted:How did everyone's FNM go? I went 2-2 with mono-white heroic, which is far better than I thought I would do. 3-2 with Rock Stars, losing to RW Aggro/Devotion (had some cool tricks like using Legion's Initiative to bounce his creatures and get extra Fanatic of Mogis triggers) and Junk Midrange and beating Mono-U Devotion (my first in the last five times I've gone against the deck in competitive events), Rakdos Monsters, and some younger player's Golgari...deck? Had some stuff like Hero's Downfall and Whip of Erebos but also that Golgari 5/5 bug from Return to Ravnica.
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Sep 6, 2014 07:50
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JerryLee posted:Deathtouch and Trample individually are common enough singly on both creatures and combat tricks/enhancements that trying to keep it from coming up seems like a fool's errand. All it takes is one 13-year-old casting Necrobite on their Yavimaya Wurm at the lunch table and the false vacuum collapses. It's not that they never want it to happen, it's that they don't want it to happen often. And it is pretty rare that 1) a creature will end up with both deathtouch and trample and 2) multiple blockers will be assigned to it.
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Sep 6, 2014 07:59
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If you play Minotaurs you can easily have your entire field with Trample+Deathtouch 
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Sep 6, 2014 08:04
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Crusaderking posted:How did everyone's FNM go? I went 2-2 with mono-white heroic, which is far better than I thought I would do. 4-0-1 Win-A-Box of Khans for me. Split the box with the other guy at the final table. That makes it two weeks in a row I've split a box of Khans at my LGS playing Mono-U. Round 1: 2-0 against RUG. Kiora just isn't good enough against Mono-U, and post-board all his removal was red, so Master of Waves is just too much. Round 2: 2-1 against B/W Midrange. Game 1 I just outraced his Pack Rats because he couldn't commit to the rat plan and kept wasting turns playing removal instead. I eventually won with Thassa. Game 2 I got Deicide-d early, and lost to Rats. Game 3 he played 2 Rams and no threats, and I just rode Bident, Thassa, and Domestication to victory. I actually forced him to attack with the 0/5 so I could swing in for lethal. Round 3: 2-0 against Selesnya Hexproof. I've never seen just a G/W build of the deck, and I thought he was playing G/W Aggro until well into the 2nd game, and just had a weird build with Unflinching Courage in the mainboard. He got Courage onto a Witchstalker Game 2, but it just wasn't good enough with Thassa active. Round 4: 2-0 against G/W Aggro. This is just too hard a matchup for them. Won both games pretty easily, and we still had half an hour left so we played two more post-board games for fun, both of which I won also. Tidebinder's just too good, and just having Negates and Dispels in hand for their Tactics and Advents and Charms makes it too hard to fight through. Round 5: 1-1 against G/R Monsters. We agreed to split beforehand and played out two games for fun. G1 was surprisingly close and he got the kill at 1 life with a combination of Monstrous Polukranos to kill Master and Domri fight another dude to remove Thassa devotion. G2 I just curved out perfectly and had Rapid in hand for his desperate Stormbreath. I'm gonna miss Mono-U when it leaves. Such a fun, powerful, synergistic deck.
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Sep 6, 2014 09:01
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From a design perspective, I really like Mono-Blue Devotion. It's a great example of what I think deckbuilding should be like - some key splashy expensive cards that are reliant on synergy (Master, Bident, Thassa herself) and then lots of cruddy cards that make the synergistic cards function (every other permanent card in the deck). It hits the balance between "Wizards needs to make money somehow" and "every playable card is rare or mythic" quite nicely. From a player's perspective, losing the game with next-to-no interaction available if your opponent curves out perfectly is delightfully unfun, and Master is such an overwhelmingly swingy card that some games feel like they ride solely on whether or not the player draws it. I'm hoping there's still some scope for mono-blue after rotation, even given how much important stuff it loses. Heck, let's make it a bet:  I will buy myself the smuggest picture of Jace I can find as my avatar if a Mono-Blue deck Top 8s Pro Tour Khans of Tarkir.
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Sep 6, 2014 11:01
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ungulateman posted:
11AM on Monday will bring the card that makes you eat those words. Maybe.
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Sep 6, 2014 14:05
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It looks like all (well, most) of the major devotion enablers are rotating. I'm just not sure how Mono U is going to turn out without Cloudfin, Frostburn, and Nightveil.
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Sep 6, 2014 15:03
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qbert posted:4-0-1 Win-A-Box of Khans for me. Split the box with the other guy at the final table. That makes it two weeks in a row I've split a box of Khans at my LGS playing Mono-U. Are you posting from the future? Also what swanky LCS are you playing at that they give away boxes for winning FNM?
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Sep 6, 2014 15:07
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First Bass posted:Also what swanky LCS are you playing at that they give away boxes for winning FNM? One that gives gently caress-all to everyone else, presumably. Pretty much every FNM here has a box or more worth of prizes given out - they just tend to do it a little more equitably than winner-takes-all.
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Sep 6, 2014 15:28
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I 4-0'd FNM with Affinity. Everyone locally is off control apparently and is playing Aggro. We had Boggles, infect, mono-black control infect, Nykthos Wave, 2 storm decks, bw tokens. Not a friendly meta for RG Tron but I felt good dusting off Affinity now that I'm not constantly facing down bolt snap bolt removal. r1 UG Infect. He played a build with livewire lash. G1 I stuck an early steel overseer, landed a second one. He couldn't really attack into my now large weenie dudes. G2 he got a good smack for 6 poison in, but I stabalized with enough blockers to hold him off until I ground him out. r2 UR Storm. Was a fairly straight forward race I got there first in g1, he shatterstorm'd me in g2, g3 he didn't have any hate. r3 bw tokens. g1 he zealous persecution'd me, then had double hero of bladehold. g2 I hit his spectral possession with a whipflare. g3 I had a giant etched champion to finish things quick. r4 Nykthos Wave, this is a friend of mine, and we tend to do well and play each other often. g1 I smacked him around with ensoul artifact and he didn't get anything relavent quick enough. g2 he ancient grudge'd my mox opal trying to mana stall me but It didn't help, I had a 2nd and ensoul'd again. Ensoul artiface is really really good. I'm running it as a 2 of and it did a ton of work for me. I got 2 for 1'd but honestly several times I was able to get it out on a memnite or ornithopter t1, and got at least 1 swing for 5 in until they could deal with it. It isn't the biggest loss if you get at least a swing in. I feel it add another good hard to manage threat, and having more than 3 toughness really messes with peoples pre-board plans. Afterward we drafted triple Ravnica. Some lucky bastard got a foil deathrite shaman. I got a pile of poo poo, ended up playing Abzan and went 2-1-1 split last round as I was up against 1st place got 4th.
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Jabor posted:One that gives gently caress-all to everyone else, presumably. I've only ever placed high enough twice at FNM to actually win anything but I'm pretty sure where I go gives a promo to 3rd and 4th, a promo and a pack to 2nd, and 2 or 3 packs and a promo to 1st. One random person outside of the top 4 gets a pack too. I don't place high enough with any regularity to be that bothered, not that I'm playing solely for prizes anyway. Don't think there's really much of anywhere else to go where I am anyway.
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Sep 6, 2014 15:43
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You know, I really hope there's some sort of Mountain triland that taps for white, because I am going to hate to have to lose Chained to the Rocks in my primarily White W/R Heroic deck.
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Wurzag posted:I've only ever placed high enough twice at FNM to actually win anything but I'm pretty sure where I go gives a promo to 3rd and 4th, a promo and a pack to 2nd, and 2 or 3 packs and a promo to 1st. One random person outside of the top 4 gets a pack too. I don't place high enough with any regularity to be that bothered, not that I'm playing solely for prizes anyway. Don't think there's really much of anywhere else to go where I am anyway. If your entry fee is more than zero dollars you're getting ripped off. I'm in down under, the land of expensive Magic, and FNM is 10 bucks with guaranteed prize support of one opened booster and one sealed booster (placement determining which open booster you get to pick).
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Sep 6, 2014 16:58
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Yeah, if my shop did constructed events I'd feel ripped off if there was an entry fee without any decent prizes; either guaranteed or top heavy, but decent.
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Wurzag posted:I've only ever placed high enough twice at FNM to actually win anything but I'm pretty sure where I go gives a promo to 3rd and 4th, a promo and a pack to 2nd, and 2 or 3 packs and a promo to 1st. One random person outside of the top 4 gets a pack too. I don't place high enough with any regularity to be that bothered, not that I'm playing solely for prizes anyway. Don't think there's really much of anywhere else to go where I am anyway. Top 50% get prizes at mine. If there's 20 people, it might go 6,5,4,3,3,3,2,2,1,1. With top 4 still getting a promo each. 1.5 prize packs in the pool per person.
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Yeah, mine's top 33% or so, and everyone gets a pack just for showing up.
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Sep 6, 2014 17:18
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Control v Control draw on SCG.  Good. Enjoy Control v Control the rest of the day, suckers.
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Sep 6, 2014 17:22
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It's going to be a beautiful day when I rock up to Game Day with a control deck that has no Sphinx's Revelation in it (and proceed to fail horribly).
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Thank God I am doing the SECOND most boring thing to do with MTG while watching this matchup, which was loading cards into Deckbox.
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Sep 6, 2014 17:23
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Chord for Hornet Queen with Purphoros on the battlefield. Please tell me R/G Chord is going to be A Thing after rotation.
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ungulateman posted:Chord for Hornet Queen with Purphoros on the battlefield. Please tell me R/G Chord is going to be A Thing after rotation.
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Froghammer posted:Not sure there's the manabase to support it. Yeah green is the one color that has no ramp or color fixing at all, good luck bud
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Cedric Phillips:  Narset will be good in UWR control post-rotation!
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ungulateman posted:Cedric Phillips: What's the problem here
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Devor posted:What's the problem here It's a 6 mana 3/2 that needs to attack to do anything in a format with: - Drown in Sorrow - Anger of the Gods - Elspeth - Keranos And gobs of other cards that either ruin it or are far superior to it. She's the epitome of win-more.
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Devor posted:What's the problem here I'm guessing it's because Narset costs 6 mana, easily gets trumped in combat by creatures that cost half as much and doesn't win you the game that quickly even not counting those obstacles.
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She has first strike and casts instants from your deck for free. "Gets trumped in combat" is a bit of an overstatement.
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:I'm guessing it's because Narset costs 6 mana, easily gets trumped in combat by creatures that cost half as much and doesn't win you the game that quickly even not counting those obstacles. Outside of Brimaz, the stuff you posted can't even be played in a UWR deck, and since he mentioned she could be a finisher in control, I can believe she'd be tried as a combo enabler of sorts. I'm not saying she's a great card for Standard (although we haven't even seen all the cards yet so who knows), just that she does something unique and there's potential there (on-board haste to have her swinging T5-6). EDIT: Both players playing with lands in front on the SCG stream right now. Serperoth fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Sep 6, 2014 |
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Lottery of Babylon posted:She has first strike and casts instants from your deck for free. "Gets trumped in combat" is a bit of an overstatement. She casts any nonland for free. Her getting one attack in is pretty crazy.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:She has first strike and casts instants from your deck for free. "Gets trumped in combat" is a bit of an overstatement. In order to cast stuff for free, she has to: 1. Attack 2. Not be blocked It's really easy to block and kill her with dudes that cost half as much, so... e: Missed that it's an attack trigger, and not just instants or sorceries. Guess I need to read the card more...
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ungulateman posted:Chord for Hornet Queen with Purphoros on the battlefield. Please tell me R/G Chord is going to be A Thing after rotation. I've been arguing that UG Prophet of Kruphix/Chord should be A Thing post-rotation, but adding red for Purphoros seems pretty 
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:In order to cast stuff for free, she has to: Fixed that for you. The trigger is on attack, not dealing damage.
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:In order to cast stuff for free, she has to: In a bizarre twist, I find myself defending Narset by pointing out she says "attacks", not "deals combat damage to a player". She's still a 3/2 in a format that is almost certainly going to be dominated by cheap sweepers and creatures with 4 toughness, though. You're gambling on flipping other cards that compensate for spending 6 mana and making sure she survives. I'd rather cast an Elspeth in 90% of situations.
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I mean ya she isn't like crazy good but she can let you cast big spells for free if she swings once. She can let you get some awesome card advantage. It will be interesting to see how she gets used but if somebody finds a good way to use her, she seems like she can end games quickly. That attack trigger really is powerful.
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