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Morglon posted:Recluse. Unless you can tell where poo poo spawns then it's Bastion. Honestly Recluse doesn't depend on terrain at all and will shine at offensive or more mobile combat while Bastion will rely on somewhat clever terrain usage and will absolutely dominate everything else at area denial. Unless you're stupid and take the loving Tesla rifle but then it's your own loving fault. Sounds good. As long as the Recluse doesn't cover the whole field with green clouds so no one can see anything. Some class out there is doing that.
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Zephyrine posted:Sounds good. As long as the Recluse doesn't cover the whole field with green clouds so no one can see anything. Some class out there is doing that. Well that's a bit harsh, Recluse will leave those giant poison clouds but it's rare that you can't actually see anything. Lots of those have to work together for that, the worst a single one can do is that your vision will turn black and white if you're standing inside the cloud. It'll hardly ever be an issue though, it's mostly just really confined spaces. If push comes to shove you can even stand in your own clouds but you should watch out for poison ball. That one will do massive impact damage and can get stuck on things before you such as another player being a dick. Oh, and as a Bastion you want to avoid being near your exploding grenades. That poo poo will kill you no matter what.
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Sep 7, 2014 22:14
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Zephyrine posted:Sounds good. As long as the Recluse doesn't cover the whole field with green clouds so no one can see anything. Some class out there is doing that.
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Morglon posted:Well that's a bit harsh, Recluse will leave those giant poison clouds but it's rare that you can't actually see anything. Lots of those have to work together for that, the worst a single one can do is that your vision will turn black and white if you're standing inside the cloud. It'll hardly ever be an issue though, it's mostly just really confined spaces. If push comes to shove you can even stand in your own clouds but you should watch out for poison ball. That one will do massive impact damage and can get stuck on things before you such as another player being a dick. Good point. I have a lot of class thinking to do.
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I've been looking at picking up an advanced frame but I can't decide what to get. I've already played my Assault and Tigerclaw up to 40, all I have left to do with them is just grind for purps but I still really enjoy the assault way of fighting, being really mobile, jumping constantly and raining hell down on targets. I especially like the Tigerclaw because of how it rewards good aim with high damage. I've considered Firecat since it's another Assault frame, but I'm not sure I'll care for the style of just making GBS threads AOE everywhere, but it may be the best fit for me when you take everything else into account. I've got the stock Dread up to 30 but it has never really clicked with me, it just feels slow and spammy, inaccurate, pretty much the polar opposite of the Tigerclaw. Maybe one of the Dread alt-frames are better? I know the Arsenal has a few perks I'd like to unlock but I don't know if they're worth picking up the frame for. I've played Recon and Raptor for a while but I can't say I'm enjoying them too much either. I've played Biotech up to 30 and I do enjoy the needlegun shotgun thing, the skills are pretty boring though and I don't really care to play a healer class. I haven't researched the Dragonfly or Recluse much, but the Recluse sounds like an aoe spam thread. I've played some of the Engineer but I don't care much for the turret style of play, so I'm guessing I won't like making GBS threads turrets everywhere with the Bastion. So what's the deal with the Electron? I've heard it's less turret focused, more direct combat and buff focused which sounds nice, but I also heard it sucks which explains why it's so cheap on the marketplace.
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Sep 7, 2014 23:10
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Sep 7, 2014 23:24
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Apple Craft posted:Why shouldn't the Bastion use a Tesla rifle? Depends what you are doing, but the sticky grenade launcher is a pretty good weapon.
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Zephyrine posted:So what Frame is best for general event AOE damage? e: I miss pre-1.0 when a mid-tier firecat could easily stay hovering (and even gain altitude!) indefinitely 
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Ralith posted:I really enjoy my firecat. It's crazy mobile, and with some effort you can get almost 8 meters of high-damage splash on your primary. I generally hit entire spawn groups of enemies at once. A properly kitted afterburner will get you five uses, plus inferno dash, which is enough to let you close to point blank, spam all over everything, then back off and pretend you're a howitzer at your convenience. As above - I love my Firecat, as it is rather versatile in its dispensation of death and fiery justice. Yes, some of the skills are short-range, and sort of unintuitive in a game about jetpacks and guns - but then, like mentioned, you get a monster aoe on a rapid-firing death-gun, with a -crazy- (insanely underused) alt-fire (I cannot emphasize how often I see 'Cats wasting their time shooting bosses with Primary - hello Kanaloa). Mobility is incredible with the frame, in fact the highest of any assault - and there are a few choice skills you can use to fill out that last slot and your HKM. Personally, I find Shockwave from the standard Assault to be a better HKM module, as it has far less delay than the janky-rear end thermal bomb, and does all of its damage up-front without relying on enemies to sit in the AOE fire (which, as mentioned, has a problem lining up with actual impacts of the bomb, the explosion, and the AOE remnant). Thermal Wave is a standard pick for that last skill-slot, and it is an amazing crowd-sweeper, and even a great little bit of burst damage, hitting for about 12 thousand on targets (at least for a well geared Cat). A good alternative for PVE is actually Burn Jets, as it allows you to stay in the air for AGES when paired with judicious use of afterburner and Inferno Dash, and excels at wiping out trash mobs if you use it to hover a few feet over the ground for them to cluster beneath.
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Zephyrine posted:Sounds good. As long as the Recluse doesn't cover the whole field with green clouds so no one can see anything. Some class out there is doing that. That's exactly what the Recluse does and the whole reason I have to remember to go in and turn down video particle effects to low every time I do a new install or a patch wipes out my options settings. Fina posted:I especially like the Tigerclaw because of how it rewards good aim with high damage. If you liked the TC because it forces you to be a good shot, the Electron is very similar. The gun has a fantastic primary fire that is pinpoint accurate but not the longest range. Altfire is like the Tigerclaws alt-fire that was shrunk down a bit but it fires faster (doesn't charge), travels faster, and isn't nearly as frustrating. Granted, the Electron tanks about as well as the Tigerclaw but without access to any of the mobility skills that the assaults get so I'd suggest installing the PTS and buying it there (it's 1rb) to see if you like it. I'm a little confused why you like the accuracy of the TC but don't like the recons.
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Sep 8, 2014 00:58
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Apple Craft posted:Why shouldn't the Bastion use a Tesla rifle? If you're running the Omnidyne events, you really should use one, as it can repair the transponders for crystal deposits.
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Fina posted:I've already played my Assault and Tigerclaw up to 40, all I have left to do with them is just grind for purps but I still really enjoy the assault way of fighting, being really mobile, jumping constantly and raining hell down on targets. I especially like the Tigerclaw because of how it rewards good aim with high damage.
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Sep 8, 2014 01:34
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Fina posted:I've been looking at picking up an advanced frame but I can't decide what to get. I use the remote explosive ability (awesome AoE), smoke grenade (or whatever it is called), and I currently use SIN Beacon (the one that increases damage to enemies by 20%). There are other fun Recon abilities that you can use too. In my opinion, people using the Nighthawk to snipe from a distance are missing out on half the fun. Shove that rifle in the face of the nearest monster and blow them away. Also, the Electron is pretty bad. I don't mind the weapon that much (but it is still kind of bad. Slow firing hit-scan weapon without a scope), but all of its abilities are just so lackluster to me. The boomerang shot ability is difficult to aim with and doesn't do that much damage. Bulwark is a very nice shield and is probably the best thing going for it. Overclocking Station has no benefit to you whatsoever, so you will have to get rid of it for something useful. The HKM is pretty awesome, though.
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So is kinetic shot just a terrible ability? I got an epic level 40 from a random bandit crate, and figured it could be useful on the raids for high single target damage. Boy was I wrong. I tested it on some mobs at the farthest range I could manage, and it did less damage than a shot from my crossbow, despite having blue mods in it.
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Bait and Swatch posted:So is kinetic shot just a terrible ability? I got an epic level 40 from a random bandit crate, and figured it could be useful on the raids for high single target damage. Boy was I wrong. I tested it on some mobs at the farthest range I could manage, and it did less damage than a shot from my crossbow, despite having blue mods in it.
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KS is real bad. I use Creeping Death and Poison Ball. Poison Trail is great but I don't like having to get so close. Evacuate+Creeping Death while airborne+endless alt fire spam is drat near all you'll ever need, except maybe a good AR for single target stuff while leveling up
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Doodles posted:If you're running the Omnidyne events, you really should use one, as it can repair the transponders for crystal deposits. I really disagree here, having the ability to just blow everything right the gently caress up and having to occasionally restart some poo poo will be far more entertaining and far less tedious than the alternative. If you really want poo poo repaired that's what sentinel pods and pubbies are for.
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Epic High Five posted:KS is real bad. I use Creeping Death and Poison Ball. Poison Trail is great but I don't like having to get so close. That's the standard build I use, I just decided to try out the purple KS I found. It just seems to be the most worthless ability in the game.
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Bait and Swatch posted:That's the standard build I use, I just decided to try out the purple KS I found. It just seems to be the most worthless ability in the game. I think energy wall would like to have a word with you.
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xxEightxx posted:I think energy wall would like to have a word with you. Bombs Away says hello!
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Morglon posted:Well that's a bit harsh Wait. I changed my mind  It's not harsh. Recluse ruins everything.
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Zephyrine posted:Wait. I changed my mind How do you like thermal wave for pve?
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Zephyrine posted:Wait. I changed my mind Yeah but it will only make your vision go black and white and really it won't matter for most classes anyway since they can just stand outside the clouds and shoot in. Also they stay around for like four seconds so unless you're standing in a spot where a Recluse is compelled to shoot for long periods of time it'll never be a problem.
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xxEightxx posted:How do you like thermal wave for pve? Fine I guess. Crater + Burn Jets and then throwing Thermal wave while hovering seems to work well so far.
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Sep 8, 2014 18:26
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Zephyrine posted:Fine I guess. Does the energy drain portion of thermal wave affect anything in PvE?
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Sep 8, 2014 19:10
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xxEightxx posted:Does the energy drain portion of thermal wave affect anything in PvE? No, PvE mobs can't fly, even the flying ones can't. They just hover at a set height above ground. So no energy.
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Morglon posted:No, PvE mobs can't fly, even the flying ones can't. They just hover at a set height above ground. So no energy. Nuts, was hoping energy fueled their attacks or something. ninja ed: also is the hover height always the same, and do we know what it is? Was always curious about this for aoe attacks.
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xxEightxx posted:Nuts, was hoping energy fueled their attacks or something. For enemies? They hover at different heights as far as I've seen. I've seen multiple "wasps" hovering and as I drove towards them with the car. The ones at lower altitude exploded on the wind shield while others remained in the air.
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Flyers tend to vary between I'd guess 1.5m to 4m? in altitude off the ground. Some of the higher up ones you've gotta jump to be able to melee them.
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Wulfling posted:Flyers tend to vary between I'd guess 1.5m to 4m? in altitude off the ground. Some of the higher up ones you've gotta jump to be able to melee them. Sounds about right.
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I've seen Culex stack up on top of each other, in towers three or four high, each hovering a set height above the one below.
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Nalin posted:I made an update to the KearnyTransit addon that adds most of the instances you could care about. If you hate trying to get to or leave Devil's Tusk, consider installing this. Zephyrine posted:Wait. I changed my mind
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Has anyone bought the reusable jump pad? For 50 beans it doesn't seem that bad. I played with some guy who just placed them down endlessly and it seemed like a massive boon for afterburner-less classes. What's the cooldown like on that thing?
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Fina posted:Has anyone bought the reusable jump pad? For 50 beans it doesn't seem that bad. I played with some guy who just placed them down endlessly and it seemed like a massive boon for afterburner-less classes. What's the cooldown like on that thing? A second. With a short amount of practice it will be your only travel power, so to speak. Probably the best bang for you buck on the red bean market.
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Morglon posted:I really disagree here, having the ability to just blow everything right the gently caress up and having to occasionally restart some poo poo will be far more entertaining and far less tedious than the alternative. If you really want poo poo repaired that's what sentinel pods and pubbies are for.
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Ralith posted:This really deserves to be in the OP. It's an amazing timesaver.
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Is there a vendor in DT that sells L40 blue shield walls?Fina posted:Has anyone bought the reusable jump pad? For 50 beans it doesn't seem that bad. I played with some guy who just placed them down endlessly and it seemed like a massive boon for afterburner-less classes. What's the cooldown like on that thing?
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Ok now that I'm starting to "get" this game I'd like to play with goons. Since this toxic event is ending soon it'd be cool to grind out some vouchers. I added a bunch of folks from the OP for an army invite, I also am hanging out in CTS. Name is Wexia
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Lord Wexia posted:Ok now that I'm starting to "get" this game I'd like to play with goons. Since this toxic event is ending soon it'd be cool to grind out some vouchers. I added a bunch of folks from the OP for an army invite, I also am hanging out in CTS. Name is Wexia Awesome! We need more goons in mumble for shenanigans. On a bit of a side note, I recently discovered that you can throw parts for the crashed thumper instead of running over and touching it, makes things a bit faster for leveling 1-10. Also, if you have 4-5k credits laying around, the 7-day VIP boost is really cheap on the market now. You can easily make the credits you spend on it back in the first 3 days, and that 25% xp boost can be stacked with other boosts making leveling really simple
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CaptainCanada posted:Awesome! We need more goons in mumble for shenanigans. On a bit of a side note, I recently discovered that you can throw parts for the crashed thumper instead of running over and touching it, makes things a bit faster for leveling 1-10. Also, if you have 4-5k credits laying around, the 7-day VIP boost is really cheap on the market now. You can easily make the credits you spend on it back in the first 3 days, and that 25% xp boost can be stacked with other boosts making leveling really simple People have been throwing these things for ages, I'm surprised nobody told you. Also the week VIP costs 400 beans, meaning 4k credits. Meaning the price on the market place right now is stupid high because pubbies are dumb and will buy it anyway rather than exchange credits and buy from the store.
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