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Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Tiggum posted:

I'd say that right back in the beginning he was more willing to do whatever it took to ensure his own safety, but his main goal in those early stories was usually to observe without interfering any more than absolutely necessary. As he started to favour intervention over observation he also moved towards non-violent solutions. My favourite example is in Genesis of the Daleks where even though he knows the Daleks will eventually kill everyone if left unchecked he still can't actually bring himself to kill them.
And that is pussy logic. If you want something eliminated as a problem, you deal with it with cold, calculating efficiency. Especially if you're truly The Doctor.
Tywinomics FTW

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Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Catherine Tate and the Doctor met on another occasion! (not spoilers)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHAJ4VFStUE

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009

Glory to Mankind.

This is a no-ftw posting zone, this is solely a thread for losers tia

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon
Before July I had never watched Doctor Who. All I knew was Time Travel Hijinks and Daleks are evil. I was also stuck overseas away from everyone and the internet. So here comes along someone with all seven seasons and I find myself watching them. All of them. Toxx, I'm agreeing with all you're saying and having just gone through it I am really looking forward to you continuing.

The fun never stops. :patriot:

M_Gargantua fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Sep 9, 2014

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
I can't stand Catherine Tate. Her comedy show is terrible and all her jokes are based around her shouting really loud. But Donna ended up being pretty good. A huge breath of fresh air after Rose for sure. She works really well as a one-and-done. Anything more than that and /i think she would have ended up grating.

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.

Rarity posted:

I can't stand Catherine Tate. Her comedy show is terrible and all her jokes are based around her shouting really loud. But Donna ended up being pretty good. A huge breath of fresh air after Rose for sure. She works really well as a one-and-done. Anything more than that and /i think she would have ended up grating.

Yeah, that clip Dabir posted made me see why people don't like her.

I'm sure it's common knowledge to the rest of you but I just realized Tennant is starring in some The Killing knockoff this fall on FOX. The American accent, stubble, and mousse-less hair are really loving with my head. He's hardly recognizable.

M_Gargantua posted:

Before July I had never watched Doctor Who. All I knew was Time Travel Hijinks and Daleks are evil. I was also stuck overseas away from everyone and the internet. So here comes along someone with all seven seasons and I find myself watching them. All of them. Toxx, I'm agreeing with all you're saying and having just gone through it I am really looking forward to you continuing.

The fun never stops. :patriot:

Another skull for the skull throne. Look what you've done, Occ/Oxx. Just look at it.

Soothing Vapors fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Sep 9, 2014

thexerox123
Aug 17, 2007

Soothing Vapors posted:

I'm sure it's common knowledge to the rest of you but I just realized Tennant is starring in some The Killing knockoff this fall on FOX. The American accent, stubble, and mousse-less hair are really loving with my head.

It's a remake of the UK show Broadchurch, which Tennant was also in as the same role, but with his regular accent.

(Also, it was written/created by Chris Chibnall, who wrote for both Doctor Who and Torchwood. None of the episodes that Occ has seen so far, though.)

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

Soothing Vapors posted:

I'm sure it's common knowledge to the rest of you but I just realized Tennant is starring in some The Killing knockoff this fall on FOX. The American accent, stubble, and mousse-less hair are really loving with my head. He's hardly recognizable.

Yeah, it's a remake of the British show Broadchurch, which also featured Tennant in the lead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOnus6OvViM

Looks to be straight line-for-line frame-for-frame remake, in fact, which is bizarre, and has to be setting a new record for pointlessness in pointless transatlantic remakes. At this point you're just reshooting the thing with American accents! :psyduck:

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

Tennant was so good in Broadchurch, such a different performance from Who.

Autonomous Monster posted:

Looks to be straight line-for-line frame-for-frame remake, in fact, which is bizarre, and has to be setting a new record for pointlessness in pointless transatlantic remakes. At this point you're just reshooting the thing with American accents! :psyduck:

Gracepoint is going to have two more episodes of Broadchurch and they've already said the ending will be different so it will have to diverge at some point. However I've also heard from critics that the first couple episodes are shot for shot remakes, so we'll see.

howe_sam fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Sep 9, 2014

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.

thexerox123 posted:

It's a remake of the UK show Broadchurch, which Tennant was also in as the same role, but with his regular accent.

(Also, it was written/created by Chris Chibnall, who wrote for both Doctor Who and Torchwood. None of the episodes that Occ has seen so far, though.)

Oh neat. Guess I know what I'll be watching when I finish Who.

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009

Glory to Mankind.

The main reason they're remaking broadchurch is so it's viewed by an audience of people that number in the millions over an audience that numbers in the thousands

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
Skyler White became a companion of the Doctor

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Poor Olivia Colman.

Toxxupation posted:

The main reason they're remaking broadchurch is so it's viewed by an audience of people that number in the millions over an audience that numbers in the thousands

Are there really so many Americans that would refuse to watch a very good tv show because of some accents?

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

All I wanna do is make you bounce

marktheando posted:

Poor Olivia Colman.


Are there really so many Americans that would refuse to watch a very good tv show because of some accents?

It's not really about the accents. BBC America has the rights to distribute Broadchurch proper (and has been showing it), so if Fox has to do a remake anyway they might as well go whole-hog.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

Soothing Vapors posted:

Oh neat. Guess I know what I'll be watching when I finish Who.

Broadchurch is loving bleak. It's not sensationalistic murder porn like Criminal Minds, I don't think they ever show the actual murder for instance, but it's a grim show. I really don't see how they're making a sequel. Great performances by a bunch of people, including a bunch with connections to Doctor Who, and really well shot though.

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009

Glory to Mankind.

marktheando posted:

Poor Olivia Colman.


Are there really so many Americans that would refuse to watch a very good tv show because of some accents?

1) yes 2) the reason many Americans have not watched broadchurch is because they don't know it exists, BBC America is a cable-only channel that's deep, DEEP in most cable packages-channel 150 at the earliest most of the time -with generally unpopular programming outside of, arguably, doctor who

Contrast to FOX, which everyone gets if they have a tv and an antenna

Dr Jankenstein
Aug 6, 2009

Hold the newsreader's nose squarely, waiter, or friendly milk will countermand my trousers.

Toxxupation posted:

1) yes 2) the reason many Americans have not watched broadchurch is because they don't know it exists, BBC America is a cable-only channel that's deep, DEEP in most cable packages-channel 150 at the earliest most of the time -with generally unpopular programming outside of, arguably, doctor who

Contrast to FOX, which everyone gets if they have a tv and an antenna

Unless you have a basement apartment. gently caress that, I couldn't get but two channels OTA when I lived in a basement. BBC America counts as a Premium channel that's not in most cable packages here, as well. It doesn't cost more, but it's usually only in the higher tiers of service. And did BBCA air Broadchurch? Every time I go past it, it's either Top Gear reruns, Stark Trek TNG reruns, or Who reruns. Graceland looks like a great remake of it, even if hearing Tennant with an american accent is just...weird. Even in Fright Night he got to keep the scottish thing.

Really glad you like Donna too. She's the bestest. Especially after Rose, having this shouty thing shouting at him for an hour was fantastic and the greatest way to change the tone and show "Rose not here, this is different!" Catherine Tate is a great foil for Tennant, and one of the few really awesome moments of the Catherine Tate show was Tennant on there, because they play so well off each other. I only wish she lasted longer, coz she's fantastic.

Xenoborg
Mar 10, 2007

PantsOptional posted:

It's not really about the accents. BBC America has the rights to distribute Broadchurch proper (and has been showing it), so if Fox has to do a remake anyway they might as well go whole-hog.

That's bizarre, they don't have the rights to show it, but they can make a shot by shot remake?

Sleep of Bronze
Feb 9, 2013

If I could only somewhere find Aias, master of the warcry, then we could go forth and again ignite our battle-lust, even in the face of the gods themselves.

Xenoborg posted:

That's bizarre, they don't have the rights to show it, but they can make a shot by shot remake?

Smart business. Pick up what you can by showing the original, and sell off remake rights to someone else who wants it.

thexerox123
Aug 17, 2007

Xenoborg posted:

That's bizarre, they don't have the rights to show it, but they can make a shot by shot remake?

The chairman of Fox has talked about the decision:

quote:

Reilly and his counterparts considered airing the British version — which consists of 8 episodes — as-is, but elected to remake it as an American show spanning 10 episodes instead. ”We really did contemplate it, but I think it would probably be lower-rated, where we could have a really big win with this,” Reilly said.

Still, the remake will be very faithful to the original: “I've learned the hard way: don't fix what ain't broke,” Reilly added.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004


:lol: "We just don't think people would cotton to the original material, but we're not changing it all because don't fix what ain't broke."

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

All I wanna do is make you bounce
Fox, making smart decisions since

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

PantsOptional posted:

Fox, making smart decisions since

1996! If the TV Movie had been followed-up-on, it'd have been dreadful!

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009

Glory to Mankind.

Bicyclops posted:

:lol: "We just don't think people would cotton to the original material, but we're not changing it all because don't fix what ain't broke."

The reality of the situation is that FOX only gets whatever ad revenue from broadcasting rights and maybe a slight skim off the top of any future royalties if they entered into a syndication deal with BBC for Broadchurch, as opposed to just getting the development rights and making it yourself (which allows you creative control and more importantly, full royalties (if it's being developed in-house))

Like Reilly's a nice guy, and it might even have been a reason for why he decided to develop Gracepoint- he was a very creative-supportive executive -but the real reason, the important reason why they did so was because it'll make them a shitload of money off the backend, and if it's a hit they're not beholden to an overseas studio to make more episodes

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

I mean I can understand it with The Killing, where the original actually is in a foreign language, so you might want to watch the American remake if you hate subtitles. And the American Killing changed who the killer was and extended the first series storyline to take more than one series, so it was at least a bit different.

But this Broadchurch situation is all very silly.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

All I wanna do is make you bounce

DoctorWhat posted:

1996! If the TV Movie had been followed-up-on, it'd have been dreadful!

Yes, but they also actually made it in the first place, so that counts against them.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.
Im not in the business but I think there's more money in remakes than airing a show owned by a foreign company, so its not silly from a suit's perspective.

Lycus fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Sep 9, 2014

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH

Craptacular! posted:

But if I can ever be bothered to take that next step and listen to even one Big Finish, I promise you it'll be Jubilee.

I am a piss poor writer so you shouldn't expect an Occ style writeup. But in the spirit of this thread, I'm now listening to a somewhat goofy, sound effect laden story featuring a Doctor that I haven't watched on TV even once and many fans hated anyway.

You fuckers.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

I just want to nth the recommendation to actually watch Broadchurch though, because it's the best thing that Chris Chibnall has ever done. Now that's not necessarily a high bar, admittedly, but it's very, very, very good.

Gracepoint just seems so.... pointless.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

Craptacular! posted:

I am a piss poor writer so you shouldn't expect an Occ style writeup. But in the spirit of this thread, I'm now listening to a somewhat goofy, sound effect laden story featuring a Doctor that I haven't watched on TV even once and many fans hated anyway.

You fuckers.

ahahahah

ahhahahhahahahah

Jurgan
May 8, 2007

Just pour it directly into your gaping mouth-hole you decadent slut

Rarity posted:

I can't stand Catherine Tate. Her comedy show is terrible and all her jokes are based around her shouting really loud. But Donna ended up being pretty good. A huge breath of fresh air after Rose for sure. She works really well as a one-and-done. Anything more than that and /i think she would have ended up grating.

I thought The Catherine Tate Show was hilarious for about five or six episodes, and then it just kept repeating the same jokes with the same characters over and over again. How many times can you watch the woman demand her co-worker guess something and then make fun of her for guessing wrong?

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH

DoctorWhat posted:

ahahahah

ahhahahhahahahah

After one "episode", I'm okay with this just because of the weird dystopian elements that sounds like something a BNP supporter posted to DeviantArt.

But to American ears, the concept is very "Radio 4." Like even with the audio book industry, I'm not sure anyone in the US makes productions like this on any serious level. Only the country that still runs The Archers.

Celery Jello
Mar 21, 2005
Slippery Tilde

Toxxupation posted:

and if it's a hit they're not beholden to an overseas studio to make more episodes
This is the key right here. British TV is significantly less addicted to a constant IV drip of episodes than American TV is. If it's a hit, they're going to be expected to follow it up immediately with a new season, and leaving it in the hands of the UK studio won't guarantee that.

The other thing is that Fox is really trying to make the long form miniseries a la True Detective "A Thing", and I for one hope they succeed. I'm much more interested in a self contained arc told in exactly as many episodes as it needs rather than something dragging on forever and ever just because it's suddenly a hit.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Jurgan posted:

I thought The Catherine Tate Show was hilarious for about five or six episodes, and then it just kept repeating the same jokes with the same characters over and over again. How many times can you watch the woman demand her co-worker guess something and then make fun of her for guessing wrong?

I had the same problem with Little Britain, though in that case it was as little as 3 episodes before I realized that they were just doing the exact same jokes.

For whatever reason I didn't have the same problem with The Fast Show even though they did the same thing, something about that show just clicked for me and I found every single,"Today I have mostly been eating <x>" goes back into the outhouse joke hilarious.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

Craptacular! posted:

After one "episode", I'm okay with this just because of the weird dystopian elements that sounds like something a BNP supporter posted to DeviantArt.

But to American ears, the concept is very "Radio 4." Like even with the audio book industry, I'm not sure anyone in the US makes productions like this on any serious level. Only the country that still runs The Archers.

It gets really, really good.

And yeah, no one in the states does stuff like Big Finish.

Republican Vampire
Jun 2, 2007

Craptacular! posted:

After one "episode", I'm okay with this just because of the weird dystopian elements that sounds like something a BNP supporter posted to DeviantArt.

But to American ears, the concept is very "Radio 4." Like even with the audio book industry, I'm not sure anyone in the US makes productions like this on any serious level. Only the country that still runs The Archers.

A lot of it's in the form of Podcasts. Thrilling Adventure Hour for instance does comedy shows. There's a push in some countries, Canada for instance, to produce more radio drama. Personally I'm totally onboard because radio drama/comedy is way more fun to listen to than talk radio or top 40.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
Well, actually, yeah - Thrilling Adventure Hour and Noted Goon Project Welcome to Night Vale are probably the closest to Big Finish-style radio drama being made in the US nowadays.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Radio plays are the sort of thing you either have to really get used to or else you just grew up with the medium. I heard a bunch of old stuff growing up because my grandparents wanted me to, and they just kind of get into your blood.

I do think we should probably port Big Finish discussion over the thread that's not about the guy watching the new series for the first time who probably will never listen to a second of Big Finish in his entire life, though.

Republican Vampire
Jun 2, 2007

Yeah. Gonna go post in the other thread.

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Hewlett
Mar 4, 2005

"DANCE! DANCE! DANCE!"

Also, drink
and watch movies.
That's fun too.

DoctorWhat posted:

Well, actually, yeah - Thrilling Adventure Hour and Noted Goon Project Welcome to Night Vale are probably the closest to Big Finish-style radio drama being made in the US nowadays.

Our Fair City is another great audio drama that's getting some cachet, and is about to start a sixth season.

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