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WilliamAnderson posted:
The people themselves have chosen the Capitolinos to lead the nation from the Golden Horn, who are we to disagree with the people?
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They might have chosen a capitalino president, but the assembly is going due Julian.
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Sep 9, 2014 15:52
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Sep 9, 2014 16:02
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WilliamAnderson posted:
The Empire proved itself incompetent, but the Republic has yet to prove itself competent. I see no reason why anyone should pledge their loyalty to the revolution when it has yet to bear any fruit by which we may judge it. The only loyalty one needs to pledge now is loyalty to Rome.
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Sep 9, 2014 16:03
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##Vote Junonians
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Sep 9, 2014 16:08
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##Vote the Capitolino
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##Vote Junonians
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Sep 9, 2014 16:21
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Having FINALLY caught up with this masterpiece I suppose there's nothing left for me to do but: ##Vote Julians
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Sep 9, 2014 16:23
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Rincewind posted:The mothballed navy was all heavy ships (that fleet in the screenshot was what's left-- I just hit the split button and disbanded half of it and prayed it made our balance positive again.) Yeah, I agree with mothballing the heavy ships. Though saving Malta would have been cheap. 10 transports only come out to about 5.8 ducats per year in maintenance (and that may be without maritime).  ##Vote the Capitolino (Conservative) Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Sep 9, 2014 |
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Sep 9, 2014 17:11
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Man, I forgot Malta was even part of our country. And it being a monastic order in the 1800s is kinda metal.
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Sep 9, 2014 17:15
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##Vote Capitolino and give our new President the backing of the assembly that she needs
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Sep 9, 2014 17:15
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Sep 9, 2014 17:17
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Erwin the German posted:Man, I forgot Malta was even part of our country. And it being a monastic order in the 1800s is kinda metal. The real Knights Hospitalers survived as a state until the Grand Master went full chickenshit and let Napoleon into his fortified harbor (not that he couldn't have forced his way in, but he might've figured it not worth it). At least they found a good home in Russia and rebuilt their finances and expanded internationally before the Communist Revolution hit. They do medical services these days.
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Erwin the German posted:Man, I forgot Malta was even part of our country. And it being a monastic order in the 1800s is kinda metal. Yeah. As a player, I was pretty annoyed to see a revolt on an island province (even if we'd had transports, it would have tied up a whole army sieging it down for months), but as an LPer I think seeing the Knights of Malta come back is pretty cool.
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Sep 9, 2014 17:17
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##Vote Junonians (Liberal)
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Sep 9, 2014 17:22
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Assuming you're taking questions, I gotta ask; did you allow the revolts that led to the Republic spiral like they did intentionally, along with the financial meltdown? I'd figure so for the sake of narrative, but I figure it's worth asking. If not, then I suppose poor playing doesn't always have to result in a horrible deluge of territorial loss. 
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Sep 9, 2014 17:28
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Rincewind posted:Yeah. As a player, I was pretty annoyed to see a revolt on an island province (even if we'd had transports, it would have tied up a whole army sieging it down for months), but as an LPer I think seeing the Knights of Malta come back is pretty cool. One can kill the army and leave a small siege force though, or accept autonomy. But yeah, the Knights Hospitalers is probably worth it. 
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Erwin the German posted:Assuming you're taking questions, I gotta ask; did you allow the revolts that led to the Republic spiral like they did intentionally, along with the financial meltdown? I'd figure so for the sake of narrative, but I figure it's worth asking. If not, then I suppose poor playing doesn't always have to result in a horrible deluge of territorial loss. I was playing slightly sloppily (well, by my standards, which would be "extremely sloppily" by somebody who's actually good at EU4 standards) since I was hoping something interesting happened in the endgame, but I wasn't expecting a stack of revolutionaries (eventually) larger than our entire army to appear in the middle of a war with Da Qin and Ming. I was delighted when one did, naturally. (And it actually helped us in game, too-- we wouldn't have gotten out of that Da Qin/Ming war with a white peace if we hadn't gotten the rebels as part of our army after they flipped the government.)
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Readingaccount posted:One can kill the army and leave a small siege force though, Only if you like having chunks of your army killed because rebels popped on top of them.
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Sep 9, 2014 17:32
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My favorite part of the map is Japan turning into a dalmation.  ##Vote Junonians Long live the revolution! Sindai fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Sep 9, 2014 |
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Sep 9, 2014 17:33
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YF-23 posted:Only if you like having chunks of your army killed because rebels popped on top of them. Which happened a few times in Sicily, although that was way less annoying than it would have been in Malta since I could just walk my whole army back there, and also we were mostly out of the woods by that point so losing a 4 stack wasn't a big deal anymore.
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Rincewind posted:
Did they? Jeez, that's a point in favor of letting revolutions occur if I ever heard one. Probably not really good for the whole stability thing, though... Might also explain the poor finances, though; you might have been way over your force limits. Not that we didn't need the forces, but yeah. At any rate, it's cool to hear it wasn't entirely planned. Emergent stories and all that. ^^^ Edit: Besides the point at this stage of the game, but losing even a 4 stack is still losing 4k manpower. Which, at that point, I'm assuming you were fairly low on.
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Sep 9, 2014 17:37
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##Vote Junonians There will be a day for moderation, a day for even conservatism-- but today is not that day. The seven hills remain full of monarchists, aristocrats, and others who dream of things returning to the old way-- who would see crowns upon men's heads. Some of them even dwell in the Capitolinos, let's be honest. The spirit of revolution cannot give even an inch until they are all gone-- our war is not over.
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##Vote Junonians
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Sep 9, 2014 17:48
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Adept Nightingale posted:
I will note that the people elected one of the Capitolinos you so fear...do you think your radical zeal may not be unsupported? The time for radical revolution passed long ago.
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##Vote Junonians Burn what remains of Empire to ash.
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Sep 9, 2014 18:00
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sniper4625 posted:I will note that the people elected one of the Capitolinos you so fear...do you think your radical zeal may not be unsupported? This makes me wonder what our participation here "represents" in terms of how membership in the assembly is chosen. Is it separate from a (semi-)popular vote that elects the president, limited to a smaller number of electors (represented by thread participants)? If our actions also represent the popular will to some extent, are presidential and assembly elections staggered? This last possibility makes the most sense to me. In this case a Capitolino president was elected maybe two years before or after this vote, in which case the popular mood has shifted (i.e., conservatively if we are choosing the party in power he finds on election, liberally if we are choosing the party voted into power in the next election after his).
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GunnerJ posted:This makes me wonder what our participation here "represents" in terms of how membership in the assembly is chosen. Is it separate from a (semi-)popular vote that elects the president, limited to a smaller number of electors (represented by thread participants)? If our actions also represent the popular will to some extent, are presidential and assembly elections staggered? This last possibility makes the most sense to me. In this case a Capitolino president was elected maybe two years before or after this vote, in which case the popular mood has shifted (i.e., conservatively if we are choosing the party in power he finds on election, liberally if we are choosing the party voted into power in the next election after his). If we have a Capitolino president but a (something else) assembly, maybe the latter party is over all more popular, but the presidential candidate for that party was not very popular or something.  Or the Junonian and Julians split the vote in the presidential arena and first past the post kicked in.
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GSD posted:If we have a Capitolino president but a (something else) assembly, maybe the latter party is over all more popular, but the presidential candidate for that party was not very popular or something. Yeah, the Presidential election is first past the post and the Junonians and Julians hate one another. They hate the Capitolino as well, but there's less ideological overlap. EDIT: GunnerJ posted:This makes me wonder what our participation here "represents" in terms of how membership in the assembly is chosen. Is it separate from a (semi-)popular vote that elects the president, limited to a smaller number of electors (represented by thread participants)? If our actions also represent the popular will to some extent, are presidential and assembly elections staggered? This last possibility makes the most sense to me. In this case a Capitolino president was elected maybe two years before or after this vote, in which case the popular mood has shifted (i.e., conservatively if we are choosing the party in power he finds on election, liberally if we are choosing the party voted into power in the next election after his). This vote represents the popular vote for the election of the National Assembly, which is a bit different and a bit more abstract than past one-poster, one-senator votes. In Victoria 2, the game does these votes for you based on what your POPs think, but since it's been a while since we've had a vote on anything I thought I'd let the goons be the ~*~*~voice of the people~*~*~ in this, the twilight of the EU4 era. Empress Theonora fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Sep 9, 2014 |
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Sep 9, 2014 18:10
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##Vote Junonians
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##Vote Julian
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##Vote the Capitolino Viva Italia!
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##vote junonians, not like it needs another vote at this point. ha!
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Sep 9, 2014 19:27
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##Vote Julians.
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##Vote Junonians Why settle for less?
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##Vote Junonians Let's keep this equality train rolling.
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##Vote Discordians Roll on the counterrevolution and restoration.
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