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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Really? Soon noone will be able to go to space? Except the Chinese. We could ask them if they take a few of our astronauts with them.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 13:53 |
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This is a bit less dramatic than Kessler Syndrome, but it has a certain schadenfreude feel to it if this leads to a moratorium on manned space flight until the power blocks fix their interdependence.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 13:54 |
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I don't think Space X is dependent on Russia.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 14:04 |
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McDowell posted:I don't think Space X is dependent on Russia. Yeah, but it would be supposedly be until December 2015 at the earliest before the human capable Dragon craft is ready for the ISS. Personally, I think it wasn't a ready idea on relying on the Russians before we have an alternative ready. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Sep 10, 2014 |
# ? Sep 10, 2014 14:08 |
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Have you guys read this? I thought it was quite interesting! http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/09/russia-putin-revolutionizing-information-warfare/379880/ code:
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 14:31 |
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People love to be deceived it seems. Disgusting how shameless Russias lies are.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 14:48 |
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:People love to be deceived it seems. Disgusting how shameless Russias lies are. Lies are one of the most effective weapons known to man.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 14:58 |
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bignose posted:Have you guys read this? I thought it was quite interesting!
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 15:31 |
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Lies are best spread on fertile ground.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 15:41 |
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bignose posted:Have you guys read this? I thought it was quite interesting! I see the exact same strategies being used by right wing politicians in Canada. Rob Ford would be exhibit A. Difference being of course that news outlets don't need any coercion from government here, they're reaping enough profits from the 'keeping viewers distracted' part.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 15:50 |
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http://www.pravda.com.ua/articles/2014/09/10/7037350/ (In Russian): a pretty interesting interview with Yuriy Buryukov (Wings of Phoenix), who is a volunteer organization leader that did a lit to help supply Ukrainian Army. He is pretty critical of volunteer batallions, the overall command organization and the generals.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 17:11 |
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Where did Neville Chamberlain find a time machine? No. Not on a whim. From Russia's point of view this is totally justified and necessary because their mindset and politic is different (not saying I agree with it but like I said I don't think we can stop it from doing what it wants at a reasonable cost). The current crisis is caused by former rebutal of Russia (we basically told it to gently caress off 15 years ago) and our inability to predict it'll grow back to a more sizeable power eventually and thus have to reassert it's power on closer Neighbors The west only cares for short term gains nothing further than the next 5 years. The current situation is a serious setback to relations between the west and the east. While it'd be easy to blame it all on Russia I think it's mainly a distorted way to look at it (conveniently our way). From Russia's point of view we had no right to mengle in the current situation in Ukraine (and what they do is mostly to make sure we do not mengle in the future). When you think of it why Russia or anyone should see differently what it's doing in Ukraine and what US did in Irak or NATO did in Afghanistan. They did not sanctionned us back then so not sure they were expecting much this time, the fact that we did for no real gain is imho shooting ourselves in the foot for the long term.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 17:12 |
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Where did Neville Chamberlain find a time machine? I don't think we should leave Ukraine to its fate of being dominated by Russia for another few centuries, but I also don't think it's particularly fair to just write off SA_Avenger's post as "appeasement." The U.S. should weigh its interests, and recognize that having a Russia that is at least cooperative with those interests after this particular crisis is over is, in fact, a top priority.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 17:15 |
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I'm sorry but I find I hard I believe this is all because Russia wanted to be best friends with the west and we rejected them. What is this some sort of remake of Mean Girls?
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 17:17 |
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Welp, DNR says it started beheading Ukrainian soldiers. For obvious reasons http://i.imgur.com/7raij2P.png Text reads: "packages to the homeland of punishers that shoot our guys and civilians". ass struggle fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Sep 10, 2014 |
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sparatuvs posted:Welp, DNR says it started beheading Ukrainian soldiers. Holy poo poo. What's the source on this? Other than that screenshot, is there anything else that verifies it?
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 17:52 |
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sparatuvs posted:Welp, DNR says it started beheading Ukrainian soldiers. This is totally justified and necessary. We should absolutely leave these people to do this so that we don't offend Russia.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:02 |
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No, gently caress Rrussias war of agression and all of this, but they are not gonna be so dumb and start beheading guys just a few weeks after ISIS made it into the headlins with it. Don't tell me that this is their plan, they are a bunch of drunken mercs who never learned anything better than waging war, they are not a bunch of fanatics who celebrate aesthetics of violence like ISIS
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:06 |
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sparatuvs posted:Welp, DNR says it started beheading Ukrainian soldiers. No you see these people are totally rational actors.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:07 |
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sparatuvs posted:Welp, DNR says it started beheading Ukrainian soldiers. Before this whole "civil war" started, I always thought that Europe would be safe from this kind of terrorism. Yet here we are, seeing the exact sort of tactics that would be employed by Al-Qaeda or ISIS being used against European soldiers and civilians, on Russian money. Russia is literally using terrorists just like the ones in Middle East as weapons. There is absolutely nothing that can justify that, especially some vague poo poo about "the west interfering with Ukraine," ESPECIALLY since there's absolutely no proof of such, at least to the level Russia has been meddling with Ukraine's affairs.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:08 |
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I'm going to be skeptical of this until it gets some serious confirmation elsewhere, that's just too outrageous to be easily believed. It sounds like someone just making a spin off of the ISIS beheadings that caught so many headlines. Although I suppose I can't rule out that some separatist fighter somewhere thought the same thing and actually did it, it's just hard to imagine that being policy. The fate of Ukrainian military prisoners captured by Russia and the separatists is a pretty sensitive issue, I imagine. Is there any word how many Ukrainians have been captured and in what state they're being kept? I remember seeing pictures of a humiliating parade of POWs through Donetsk recently which seemed fairly sizeable, and a number of troops were supposedly lost when Ukraine fell back from Donetsk and Luhansk.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:19 |
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Hmmm, what did I say about Putin and his group of murderers again? ... Ah yes, kill them all. This might not be true, but considering how Putin's murderers have treated captives and civilians in the past, it is not unlikely.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:43 |
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Also, given that they are known to have disembowelled political protesters, and that there are Chechen and Serbian veterans there, I would say that it is far from hard to believe.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:45 |
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Yeah I would be extremely skeptical of the picture period. I have seen two claims, that the rebels chopped those heads off and the other was that it was the Ukrainians and the rebels received them. I don't personally believe either claim right now without further proof.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:48 |
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The photo may not even be recent, that's always a good thing to check for validity, but it would be maddening if separatists are going for total war here. They shouldn't be feeling so comfortable to be able to do that, but here we all are.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:51 |
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Newsweek cover story on Russian soldiers in Ukraine: http://www.newsweek.com/2014/09/19/russian-soldiers-reveal-truth-behind-putins-secret-war-269227.html doesn't really live up to its loud headline, but does have some interesting info...
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:51 |
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The victims don't look Ukrainians at all. They look to be Arabs.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 19:00 |
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Vladimir Putin posted:I'm sorry but I find I hard I believe this is all because Russia wanted to be best friends with the west and we rejected them. What is this some sort of remake of Mean Girls? I don't think anybody's arguing that. I know what I and others have argued is that the US and its allies came off as more threatening to Russia than they realized then or for that matter realize now.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 19:17 |
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And Russia can suck a dick if being told it can't be an expansionist, imperialistic state makes it feel threatened. Russia being an expansionist, imperialistic state makes MANY more countries feel threatened and Russia has proven that those countries are 100% right to feel threatened.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 19:20 |
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Despite the danger of turning into Donkey McDonkey, I simply can't leave well enough alone. Here's another opinion piece with the same BBC-Bellingcat connection. This time I'll only translate the beginning, which has the relevant part. http://izvestia.ru/news/576513 quote:Neither plane, nor missile The official Russian media position thus boils down to a main point and a fallback position:
However, that doesn't cover public opinion, which has by now devoured all types of conspiracy theories. While I was expecting a single opposing narrative to emerge, I was surprised that the following three were about equally popular:
Nevermind that each of these theories is incompatible with the other two, requires different actors and sequence of events. In the mind of the conspiracy theorist, that doesn't matter, as long as it puts doubt in the "official story". I've previously talked about this, but would like to clarify that this is not something unique to Russia or this story, but is common with any conspiracy theory. Yet what if... what if you were to mash every single MH17 conspiracy into one? Not just those three, but several more I wasn't even aware of before today? What would it look like? Who could tackle such a momentous task? Could it even be done? I'll leave you to decide... But the answer is "yes": http://irenecaesar.wordpress.com/2014/07/25/malaysia-airlines-mh17-zio-nazi-cia-mi6-mossad-mivd-terrorist-act-in-ukraine/
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:And Russia can suck a dick if being told it can't be an expansionist, imperialistic state makes it feel threatened. Russia being an expansionist, imperialistic state makes MANY more countries feel threatened and Russia has proven that those countries are 100% right to feel threatened. And that's a perfectly fine attitude for you to take personally, but you should understand that the US government and NATO have to be a little more nuanced in their dealings with the second-biggest nuclear power in the world. If they don't want Cold War II on their hands (and if they're smart, they won't), they're going to have to try to understand their adversary.
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Majorian posted:And that's a perfectly fine attitude for you to take personally, but you should understand that the US government and NATO have to be a little more nuanced in their dealings with the second-biggest nuclear power in the world. If they don't want Cold War II on their hands (and if they're smart, they won't), they're going to have to try to understand their adversary.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 19:54 |
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OwlBot 2000 posted:The victims don't look Ukrainians at all. They look to be Arabs. I'm a Polish/Ukrainian descendant. The mustache guy looks kinda like my uncle.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:01 |
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eigenstate posted:
Actual quote from that: quote:Deceived by Khazars into the fake “Covenant” with Seth, the Negroid God of Death, the Five Eyes have chosen the strategy of global terrorism and global disinformation. But the ultimate goal of the Khazar Zio-Nazi is to destroy all national sovereignties and all national currencies. The US is target number TWO after Russia. And the UK is target number THREE after the US. Holy loving poo poo they're nutters.
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A Crazy person posted:Deceived by Khazars into the fake “Covenant” with Seth, the Negroid God of Death, the Five Eyes have chosen the strategy of global terrorism and global disinformation. But the ultimate goal of the Khazar Zio-Nazi is to destroy all national sovereignties and all national currencies. The US is target number TWO after Russia. And the UK is target number THREE after the US. Someone call EA, this sounds like a great game.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:09 |
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eigenstate posted:However, that doesn't cover public opinion, which has by now devoured all types of conspiracy theories. While I was expecting a single opposing narrative to emerge, I was surprised that the following three were about equally popular: Yea exactly what is described in this paragraph. bignose posted:Have you guys read this? I thought it was quite interesting! Niedar fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Sep 10, 2014 |
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:But the ultimate goal of the Khazar Zio-Nazi is to destroy all national sovereignties and all national currencies. So...bitcoiners.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:11 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Can you explain how understanding Russia is an expansionist imperialist state would help NATO prevent another Cold War? Putin started this poo poo because his approval ratings were dropping off and he feared unrest from his people. He also couldn't afford to look weak by losing the black sea port. So he started a war and whipped up his population into a blood frenzy to kill 2 birds with one stone. Im guessing now he doesn't know what to do with his enraged population, because once their head clears his approval rating is going to probably drop again. So he's furiously poking NATO, hoping they'll respond with more red meat he can throw to his right-wing psychos (not interchangeable with the russian population as a whole, mind you). This crap is being used by putin as cover to consolidate power and ensure his continued reign. The counter? poo poo, I don't know. Maybe more blue jeans and rock 'n roll? Only this time, flood the country with north face jackets, yoga pants, and call Sweedish House Mafia out of retirement.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 20:12 |
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Killin_Like_Bronson posted:I'm a Polish/Ukrainian descendant. That must've been fun! But, yes, what OwlBot is saying is nonsense.
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Zio-Nazis is the name of my Jewish pop-punk band.
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