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PeterWeller posted:Eh, I think if you try to stoplight race any of those, you'll just fill the intersection with smoke. "Victory" is many faceted.
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VikingSkull posted:If you're buying a Hellcat to carve corners with, you're missing the point. It's a drag racer/boulevard cruiser. That's it. No, I get the point, it just doesn't appeal to me and I'm wondering if I'm the only one. It's not a dig at the car. sean10mm posted:I don't like this thing that's not even trying to be what I want. The whole point of the post was acknowledging the Hellcat is an apple to my orange, and asking if anyone else doesn't get excited about apples, because the hype and response across the board is pretty big. Don't tell me you've never seen something that doesn't float your particular boat and said "I don't get it."
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blk posted:Don't tell me you've never seen something that doesn't float your particular boat and said "I don't get it." Half the people posting in the Toyobaru thread right now "don't get it". 
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iwentdoodie posted:Well, it is a ChryCo transmission.... Maybe they went full on retro and put in a bullet proof automatic like the late 60s cars had.
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HotCanadianChick posted:Half the people posting in the Toyobaru thread right now "don't get it". Apparently half the owners "don't get it" either since they do a lot of things to increase the power output. And put 9 inch wide wheels on it. It was fun on my test drives but I wanted a little more power from it too. Ended up going a completely different direction. I get the Hellcat, it's just not my kind of thing. I think they should have played with the Charger to make it spank the M5 through corners.
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Maybe I'm old fashioned but I still get excited when the latest Motor Trend shows up in my mailbox, and boy howdy look at this cover story "Hellcat Challenger vs. ZL1" gently caress yeah. I won't spoil it but I will include the best quote in a head to head comparison. After lapping the Hellcat, editor Kim Reynolds says "it feels like it was developed by Hot Rod's Freibuger and Finnegan". I believe he meant that in a good way , of course!
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blk posted:No, I get the point, it just doesn't appeal to me and I'm wondering if I'm the only one. It's not a dig at the car. I hear what you're saying. Many things out there aren't for me, but I can understand why other people might enjoy them. My personal examples: I don't get pickup truck culture at all, but the SVT Raptor is a great vehicle from the factory. I can appreciate what Ford did there even thought it's not for me. I personally don't see the appeal of the Miata. I appreciate the car for what it is, but it doesn't float my boat. I can understand how many others would enjoy a small RWD vehicle that handles very well and is a hoot to drive. Some people don't understand why I would drive an SHO instead of something different at the same price point... it's an expensive gussied up Taurus that doesn't do anything particularly well. I really like the car though, I think it's well rounded and suits my current wants in a vehicle. A friend of mine prefers to mod his cars. He drives a 630WHP Twin Turbo Pontiac G8 GT. More power to him, but my modding days are over. He spent maybe 35 grand all said and done on his car, I much rather have something I don't have to mess with anymore. The Hellcat may not appeal to you, but I would say you have to acknowledge the automotive significance of a car like this being built at a 60K price point. Nothing comparable has come out since the horsepower wars of the late 60's early 70's when you could order ridiculous engines in cars, and even those cars were considered slow by today's standards. Car culture is a neat phenomenon, there's such a broad and diverse group of people out there.
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CornHolio posted:Is the Hellcat motor available in crate form? Not from what I can tell at the moment, but it wouldn't surprise me if it showed up eventually. They have the new 426ci 540hp available and I think that's the current top-shelf engine (excluding the Hellcat).
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:Not from what I can tell at the moment, but it wouldn't surprise me if it showed up eventually. They have the new 426ci 540hp available and I think that's the current top-shelf engine (excluding the Hellcat). If it does I can't even imagine the price tag. Probably 20K or so.
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"Disruption" is always great. Embarrassing super cars that cost well north of a fat domestic pig wonderful, upheaving advertising and numbers and all that is great no matter when it happens, because now Lamborghini and Ferrari have to acknowledge that a 60k Dodge can embarrass them.
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skipdogg posted:If it does I can't even imagine the price tag. Probably 20K or so. At least. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/dcc-5155513ab/overview/
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I was (still kinda am but you know... $$$) cross shopping Fiesta/Focus STs with challengers and people asked me what I was doing because they're so different. Cool is cool man. It can come in a lot of forms.
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Xguard86 posted:I was (still kinda am but you know... $$$) cross shopping Fiesta/Focus STs with challengers and people asked me what I was doing because they're so different.
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ilkhan posted:Im the guy cross shopping Mustangs and FoST, so I get that. Sometimes you find the best of 2 categories before you decide which category to go with. I think the problem is there are so many drat cool cars out there. I mean, suppose you're a car enthusiast, and have a $20k budget. Do you go new and get a Fiesta ST? Do you go slightly used and get a sweet Challenger? Do you go more used and get an E46 M3? Do you go classic and get a 911? So many completely different yet very awesomely AI choices at nearly every price point.
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CornHolio posted:I think the problem is there are so many drat cool cars out there. Polaris Slingshot 
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CornHolio posted:I think the problem is there are so many drat cool cars out there. 6 beater Miatas!
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Twerk from Home posted:6 beater Miatas! A buddy of mine says he bought his Geo Metro from a guy that had ten more. No joke.
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KakerMix posted:"Disruption" is always great. Embarrassing super cars that cost well north of a fat domestic pig wonderful, upheaving advertising and numbers and all that is great no matter when it happens, because now Lamborghini and Ferrari have to acknowledge that a 60k Dodge can embarrass them. The problem is, they aren't. They just sit on their laurels and tout exclusivity and whatnot. That's fine to an extent, but the Viper and Vette are kicking the poo poo out of you around corners and the muscle cars are faster in a straight line. Maybe that's why what's his name stepped down and said Ferrari is becoming "too American" Holy poo poo, you might have to cater to the market where you sell the bulk of your cars! Ferrari is gonna poo poo a brick if that mid engine Vette becomes a reality.
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Ferrari isn't going to give a gently caress because the corvette is still a chevy. If people stopped buying ferraris because there was something better out there, nobody would have ever bought a ferrari. Porsche hasn't even aknowledged any of the so-called "911 killers" that keep popping up because they don't have to. They just keep building what they're building, and people keep buying it because it's a 911.
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KakerMix posted:"Disruption" is always great. Embarrassing super cars that cost well north of a fat domestic pig wonderful, upheaving advertising and numbers and all that is great no matter when it happens, because now Lamborghini and Ferrari have to acknowledge that a 60k Dodge can embarrass them. Problem is, China/professional athletes/investment bankers/trophy wives care a lot less about lap times/sev'n hunnerd hosspower than the all important brand image, and they're the ones buying supercars. That's why we're seeing Bentley and Lamborghini SUVs, even if they are just Touaregs given a fancy suit and a box of viagra. I think disruption is awesome but I'm not the target market for either a Lambo or a Hellcat Dodge. e: What Powershift said redgubbinz fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Sep 10, 2014 |
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Nah guys, the cheap, reliable, accurate, and in all ways objectively superior Timex watch obliterated the luxury watch market.
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The whole "getting embarrassed" by cheaper cars thing is dumb too. The only person who cares is the person driving the cheaper car. It's not like the guy in the Ferrari couldn't have bought a hellcat or clapped out civic with $40k in engine work if he wanted to. As far as the brands themselves are concerned, they don't give a poo poo either. They're resting on the laurels they've had for decades and will continue to have for decades even though there have always been cheaper cars nipping at their heels performance wise.
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Powershift posted:Ferrari isn't going to give a gently caress because the corvette is still a chevy. The Big 3 said the same thing about Japanese cars in the 70's. If Ferrari was winning in motorsport it wouldn't matter, but rich people didn't get rich by wasting money. I get they'll always sell cars, they're Ferrari, but holy poo poo are they getting beat on all fronts. You can't sit on past accolades forever. Look at the LaFerrari...sure it's a great car, but it's not on the same level as the 918 or P1, at least as far as the press is concerned.
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VikingSkull posted:The Big 3 said the same thing about Japanese cars in the 70's. No, they got rich by inheritance or by making a killing off a timely investment or business decision. You don't become rich through frugal saving and hard work. Remember the little depression of a few years back? The only market that continued trucking along and experienced growth during a global economic crisis was that for luxury goods. Wealthy people don't give a poo poo that their $10,000 handbag was made the same way as a $10 Walmart handbag, they don't give a poo poo that their $50,000 Patek doesn't keep time as well as a $50 Casio, and they don't give a poo poo that their $1,000,000 Bugatti can't go around a race track as quickly as a $100,000 Viper. Ferrari, Porsche, Aston Martin, and all the other exotic marques are luxury brands and luxury brands have never been about the product; they're about exclusivity, social cachet, and conspicuous consumption. The only thing that will ever seriously harm Ferrari is making a car that normal people could afford.
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That's simply not true, though, as Ferrari has almost gone out of business numerous times. Hence, ya know, being owned by Fiat.quote:Ferrari Chairman Luca Cordero di Montezemolo resigned after 23 years at the helm of the super-car maker because of a clash over strategy with Sergio Marchionne, chief executive officer of parent Fiat SpA. (F) Link Something tells me that if Ferrari could sell cars just by existing, that story wouldn't exist.
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KakerMix posted:"Disruption" is always great. Embarrassing super cars that cost well north of a fat domestic pig wonderful, upheaving advertising and numbers and all that is great no matter when it happens, because now Lamborghini and Ferrari have to acknowledge that a 60k Dodge can embarrass them. cf. Lotus Carlton
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Wheeee posted:
This. They are the snobbiest loving prick of an automaker ever, and people love them because they can't have them.
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I never said there is harm to supercar makers, nobody that wants a Hellcat is going to cross-shop Ferraris (I bet there will be a few people that can afford a new Ferrari that will get a Hellcat though) I simply mean that there is a 60k~ Dodge with more horsepower than Ferrari's and Lamborghini's, and people know about it. Even if it's a bunch of idiots on the internet (i.e., me), it's still a fact and can weasle it's way into debates. I think Chrysler makes ugly garbage, but I'm glad they are doing well and making ridiculous things.
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VikingSkull posted:That's simply not true, though, as Ferrari has almost gone out of business numerous times. Hence, ya know, being owned by Fiat. They need to pull a Porsche and slap a Ferrari badge on one of the numerous SUV's they have access to through Fiat/Chrysler and start raking in the money.
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http://www.autoblog.com/2014/09/10/2016-audi-tt-first-drive-review-video/ 2016 audi tt in depth look -2712lbs (50lbs less than a gt86) and has 230hp and 273(!!!!!) ft lb of torque. -The outside is kind of plain, but so are most audis. In real life they manage to pull off the understated look fine imo. -Im not a fan of audis AWD system, but never drove a tt to be honest. They cant be that bad. -biggest problem i see is that i would get a huge erection everytime i opened the door seeing that interior. It is mind boggling how good it looks.
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coolskillrex remix posted:http://www.autoblog.com/2014/09/10/2016-audi-tt-first-drive-review-video/ That means it's totally undriveable on the street and anyone who gets one or wants that power is stupid.
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Hellcat chat got me thinking, HP/$ ratio is all well and good, but useless if it's in a fat pig. What we need is some way to rank cars by horsepower per pound... per dollar. Feel free to rearrange the ratios to produce a usable scale of performance value.
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Fucknag posted:Hellcat chat got me thinking, HP/$ ratio is all well and good, but useless if it's in a fat pig. What we need is some way to rank cars by horsepower per pound... per dollar. This will still be dominated by the same pony cars. So the Hellcat weighs 4000 lbs and has 707 horsepower, can you point out to me a 2000 lb car with 350? Even if the ND Miata hits their weight target of 2200 lbs, and magically makes 175hp a V6 mustang is cheaper and has more horsepower per pound.
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iwentdoodie posted:That means it's totally undriveable on the street and anyone who gets one or wants that power is stupid. With AWD the grip is going to be so strong that theyre going to just rip the car in half going around a corner for fucks sake. These things are a death trap.
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Tekne posted:Sergio needs to confirm the I'd love to see a Maserati engine (derived from Ferrari of course) in a hopped up Jeep. I didn't dislike Luca Di Motezemolo as much as some people but that would be a hilarious FU in his direction.
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Fucknag posted:Hellcat chat got me thinking, HP/$ ratio is all well and good, but useless if it's in a fat pig. What we need is some way to rank cars by horsepower per pound... per dollar. http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Kick-In-a-Box-ClickEnlarge.jpg (list of crate engines sorted by price vs HP)
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coolskillrex remix posted:http://www.autoblog.com/2014/09/10/2016-audi-tt-first-drive-review-video/ iwentdoodie posted:That means it's totally undriveable on the street and anyone who gets one or wants that power is stupid.
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coolskillrex remix posted:With AWD the grip is going to be so strong that theyre going to just rip the car in half going around a corner for fucks sake. These things are a death trap. Haha, it'll be interesting to see how many people get the reference. Better hope the new Miata stays below 200hp!
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