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Jack Gladney posted:I wonder what he thinks about PBS. Do you want his pre- or post-schizophrenia opinion? of course its jews
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This is more historical revision than conspiracy, but the mentality is very similar. When asked "even under the idyllic conditions which you believe existed, would you consent to be another's permanent property?" quote:And you think you are FREE? Unfortunately under the present idyllic conditions I am the permanent property of another, i.e. the federal government. I have less freedom that a slave of 1860. My property, I only rent from the government. My freedom, I surrender at any moment to a SWAT team invading my rented abode either intentionally or by mistake. Thought police, stand ready to falsely accuse me of libel or slander against the tyrants in charge. Government tyrants of all descriptions tell me how to think, act and dress and what I can do with my rented property. My false illusion of freedoms under the Bill of Rights are but that - illusions. They can be taken away under the flimsiest of circumstances. Perhaps you remember Katrina?
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 05:55 |
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Goon posted:This is more historical revision than conspiracy, but the mentality is very similar. And more "christ, you're stupid" than either of those things.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 05:57 |
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Black Marxism is a pretty sweet canonical text that makes a pretty compelling argument that it is wrong to try and view racism through the lens of class struggle. It was pretty eye opening for me and I think it behooves us as leftists to be conscious and aware of the history of black oppression and how it differs from (white) class struggle. I'll broadly agree with SedanChair. If the racial element weren't present in American political thought, I imagine we'd look a lot more like Europe, Canada or Australia. Not that Tories/Liberals/Conservatives-of-all-stripes aren't total shitheads, but the racial element really does seem to magnify their level of shittiness. That has always been an integral part of American Conservatism, but we're starting to see its ramifications in post-Colonial Europe and Australia with the removal of the White Australia Policy.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 06:09 |
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Jack Gladney posted:Though he may be the first artist whose chosen medium is "photoshop." Uh, that's a little like being amazed at an artist who works with "paint" dude.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 06:25 |
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Hodgepodge posted:Uh, that's a little like being amazed at an artist who works with "paint" dude. gently caress you. I'm proud of my MSPaint avatar
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 06:29 |
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You heard it from Dee, folks. Paying taxes is worse than slavery
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 07:38 |
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quote:Every effort I make to transverse our nation's highways is subject to death, violence, capture and seizure of my property by a thug dressed as a highwayman.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 13:56 |
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Shbobdb posted:Black Marxism is a pretty sweet canonical text that makes a pretty compelling argument that it is wrong to try and view racism through the lens of class struggle. It was pretty eye opening for me and I think it behooves us as leftists to be conscious and aware of the history of black oppression and how it differs from (white) class struggle. There are always gonna be folks who can't come to grips with it, they'd rather die than admit it.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 14:09 |
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Goon posted:This is more historical revision than conspiracy, but the mentality is very similar. Just a note for those of you keeping score at home: White Slaves, African Masters is a book about slavery on the Barbary Coast, where most of the Christians held in bondage were kept as slaves on average about 4 years, and generally were ransomed by their relatives/the Catholic Church in Europe. TOTALLY THE SAME THING as being kidnapped, put on a slave ship and taken across the Atlantic to work for your whole life as chattel with a near zero possibility of achieving freedom.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 17:19 |
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SedanChair posted:There are always gonna be folks who can't come to grips with it, they'd rather die than admit it. The funny thing is that even high ranking Republicans have admitted it in the past. Hence the famous Lee Atwater quote: Lee Atwater posted:You start out in 1954 by saying, "friend of the family, friend of the family, friend of the family." By 1968 you can't say "friend of the family" that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "friend of the family, friend of the family."
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SedanChair posted:There are always gonna be folks who can't come to grips with it, they'd rather die than admit it. Have you read Black Marxism? I really think you'd like it.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 17:55 |
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Black Marxism sounds like a sweet alternative band.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:13 |
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It's more funk/R&B https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIyBxifgLmk
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 18:16 |
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Has anyone read this: http://www.ourrepubliconline.com/Article/21 That's Robert Welch. In that he says this: "(g) the creation of riots and the semblance of revolution under the guise and excuse of promoting "civil rights" (h) developing this "Negro Revolutionary Movement," as the Communists describe it, into a broader "proletarian revolution" of the "have-nots" against the "haves"; " Just to be clear here what he is saying is that the civil rights movement is communist conspiracy. That means he's implying that it (civil rights) are fundamentally opposed to Liberty. Republican, Tea Party, and Libertarian talk railing against "communism", "socialism" or "collectivism" it has this element of racism hidden in it. It might not be the only thing, but it's not something that can be ignored and it's not something different from the 47% type talk. Just so it's clear Atwater's comments are in the context of talking about appealing to people who think like Robert Welch. Also lot's of relevant conspiracy stuff in there, Illuminati, Communists, Woodrow Wilson, you name it. Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Sep 10, 2014 |
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Genocide denial is the worst. http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/18/pol-pot-revisited/ quote:Dispatch From Cambodia Nckdictator fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Sep 10, 2014 |
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One person's utter sociopath is another person's "incorruptible," I guess.
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# ? Sep 10, 2014 21:36 |
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How does that guy explain why killing fields are so overladen with human bone s that light rain showers erode the bones to the surface? There are literally memorial shrines at the killing fields full of skulls etc from the people murdered there, and they are open to the public for viewing.
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# ? Sep 11, 2014 01:47 |
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Isn't the official D&D position to support Year Zero?
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# ? Sep 11, 2014 01:47 |
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Shbobdb posted:Isn't the official D&D position to support Year Zero? Well goons love alternative reality games and criticism of US government policy on military interventionism and domestic surveillance, so I'd definitely say it's a top 3 contender for Official Album of D&D.
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# ? Sep 11, 2014 02:03 |
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Dude, with the loving finger and poo poo. That was ti-eeet.
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# ? Sep 11, 2014 02:04 |
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platedlizard posted:How does that guy explain why killing fields are so overladen with human bone s that light rain showers erode the bones to the surface? There are literally memorial shrines at the killing fields full of skulls etc from the people murdered there, and they are open to the public for viewing. quote:I travelled to the Killing Fields of Choeung Ek, the memorial where the alleged victims were killed and buried I like how he swings between "Not that many died if at all" and "Those who did die deserved it"
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# ? Sep 11, 2014 02:19 |
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Nckdictator posted:Genocide denial is the worst.
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# ? Sep 11, 2014 02:29 |
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It is really hard for me to find Leftist literature that I fundamentally disagree with, but there you go. (Not that I disagree with the message. Pol Pot did nothing wrong, we should celebrate the death of the capitalist dog )
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# ? Sep 11, 2014 02:32 |
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Can we just not call people who sucker themselves into supporting authoritarian regimes leftist?
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# ? Sep 11, 2014 04:21 |
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Shbobdb posted:Isn't the official D&D position to support Year Zero? Yeah, it was a pretty good update of the early Batman years. Hard to do, given the status of Year One, but Snyder pulled it off.
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# ? Sep 11, 2014 04:24 |
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SedanChair posted:Can we just not call people who sucker themselves into supporting authoritarian regimes leftist? Of course not, Freepers support Putin.
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# ? Sep 11, 2014 04:30 |
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Nckdictator posted:I like how he swings between "Not that many died if at all" and "Those who did die deserved it" You see the same thing with holocaust deniers and MRA's trying to minimize rape/sexual assault statistics. It's because they're motivated at their core by their distaste for the victims, and don't care which roads lead to confirming their own bias. So according to holocaust denial people, it's something that totally didn't happen that was probably a totes great idea. According to MRA's, bitches be lying and revealing clothing such as jeans/sweatshirt.
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# ? Sep 11, 2014 04:33 |
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SedanChair posted:Can we just not call people who sucker themselves into supporting authoritarian regimes leftist? Just because they're really bad at being leftists doesn't mean they aren't leftists. I think one of the major problems with leftist politics is the tendency to just claim anyone with a dumb opinion isn't really a leftist instead of trying to challenge their opinion.
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# ? Sep 11, 2014 04:45 |
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That isn't really a major problem, its just something people do. Doesn't make it not dumb of course.
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# ? Sep 11, 2014 04:47 |
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Just because they're really bad at being leftists doesn't mean they aren't leftists. I think one of the major problems with leftist politics is the tendency to just claim anyone with a dumb opinion isn't really a leftist instead of trying to challenge their opinion. I feel like they really belong in the category "plumb idiots" and not much else, just like ignorant slobs who have no opinion on the Middle East beyond "just bomb everyone!" don't really qualify as "rightists." I mean in both cases you could argue, but ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Let's just put super glue in their car door locks. They can still be leftists, but can we agree to do that?
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# ? Sep 11, 2014 04:59 |
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SedanChair posted:Can we just not call people who sucker themselves into supporting authoritarian regimes leftist? Leftist authoritarianism has a long history, please do not whitewash.
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# ? Sep 11, 2014 04:59 |
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Hitler was a bad leftist.
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# ? Sep 11, 2014 05:34 |
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GROVER CURES HOUSE posted:Hitler was a bad leftist. Socialism, it's right there in the name.
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# ? Sep 11, 2014 05:35 |
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So is Counterpunch a respectable publication or a crank site?
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# ? Sep 11, 2014 10:25 |
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Forgall posted:So is Counterpunch a respectable publication or a crank site? Imagine LF, but longform and not funny. Their articles are notoriously spotty and I'm being generous here.
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# ? Sep 11, 2014 10:35 |
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Berke Negri posted:Leftist authoritarianism has a long history, please do not whitewash. It depends on how you define "leftist". If a leftist does something non-leftist, does the thing become leftist? Because otherwise you can definitely make the point that authoritarianism is necissarily right-wing. And the Soviet Union, for example, was a lot more right-wing than modern democratic capitalist societies in a lot of ways, even if their economy was socialist.
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# ? Sep 11, 2014 10:54 |
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It's almost like it is hard to properly classify these societies in a clear cut way.
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Nckdictator posted:I like how he swings between "Not that many died if at all" and "Those who did die deserved it" SedanChair posted:I feel like they really belong in the category "plumb idiots" and not much else, just like ignorant slobs who have no opinion on the Middle East beyond "just bomb everyone!" don't really qualify as "rightists." I mean in both cases you could argue, but ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Just because they're really bad at being leftists doesn't mean they aren't leftists. I think one of the major problems with leftist politics is the tendency to just claim anyone with a dumb opinion isn't really a leftist instead of trying to challenge their opinion. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Sep 11, 2014 |
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Nckdictator posted:I like how he swings between "Not that many died if at all" and "Those who did die deserved it" Didn't there used to be unironic Stalinists in D&D who would oscillate wildly between "there were never any purges" and "purges were necessary to protect the socialist state"? Good times
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