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I do really like the fact that there's such a crazy amount of promo cards for the new launch. Rather than just five where one is the best there's 40 and hopefully nobody knows what the gently caress is going on. I dunno, I actually want to have this thing called 'fun' at a prerelease and not worry about metagaming right out of the game.
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Sep 15, 2014 05:21
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DurdleDuck posted:Anybody watching the WMCQ finals? Going to game 3 at twitch.tv/cardtitan, MonoU vs Black midrange: fitting end to this standard format. (also my buddy Charles is playing) Yeah my friend Will top 8'd, I'm so proud of him. Also Alexander Hayne taking down azorius control like a god drat boss. Edit: I was watching the Edmonton WMCQ
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Tracula posted:I do really like the fact that there's such a crazy amount of promo cards for the new launch. Rather than just five where one is the best there's 40 and hopefully nobody knows what the gently caress is going on. I dunno, I actually want to have this thing called 'fun' at a prerelease and not worry about metagaming right out of the game. I feel like metagaming the prerelease will always happen regardless. Whether it's the product of a particular color's promo being a comparatively huge bomb or the color's card pool as a whole, it seems like the internet and Magic community in general will pretty quickly come to a consensus on what the "best" prerelease box is to get. It spreads like wildfire, and I know personally every prerelease I've been to since I started back with RtR has been the same story of the chosen color selling out immediately, and then and handful of people having to settle for one of the other four. Either way, like people with any sense can all agree on, it doesn't really matter and you should just pick what you think is thematically the coolest or whatever, but a lot of people try to take every inch they can get.
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Sep 15, 2014 05:26
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Count Bleck posted:I'm in control of his turn, and thus, his triggers. v4 is terrible but we all know this.
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Sep 15, 2014 05:26
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Count Bleck posted:
You know I admit I know basically nothing about MTGO but god does it look ugly and more like a freeware client than some freeware clients I've seen  And this is the service people put as much money into as they do on actual bits of cardboard, right?
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Went 5-3 drop in the WMCQ today. Overall it was alot of fun, had the last hurrah of my BW midrange deck. I also had a hilariously brutal run early in the tournament. Win the first round, round 2 get paired against Gerard Fabiano, win, then get paired against Chris The game against Fabiano was kinda stressful though. Won game 1, then things were going pretty good game 2. As I drew for turn, my finger slipped or the cards got stuck together, and the second card got raised a bit as I drew. Immediately after that Gerard asks me if I saw the second card down. I thought for a bit, and said that I didn't get a good look at it but I saw the frame was black, so that was information I shouldn't know. We call the judge over, and as he was explaining what happened, he says to the judge that since I didn't say anything until he asked me, that I was trying to hide it and "it was a pretty clear case of cheating." I was a bit dumbstruck at that point. So, the judge calls us both away from the table to ask us what happened. I say pretty much what I said above, then Gerard goes for a talk, then we wait while the judge goes consult another judge. He comes back and basically says that he didn't think there was enough evidence for cheating, so I would get a warning for cards violation or something. At that point Gerard asks to appeal to the head judge. So, we get to sit staring at each other for a few more minutes. Eventually the head judge comes over and we both hash out what happened again, pretty much describing it the same way. He asks me a question about my cards which, since at that point i'm crazy flustered, I pretty much just stumble over my words before he decides to show mercy and get on with it. Head judge rules the same, I get a warning, shuffle up the deck, then a few turns later I ultimate Elspeth and kill Gerard. I thank him for the games, we shake hands and I wish him luck in the tournament. So all in all, a pretty fun day! I got to beat Gerard Fabiano, got to lose to Pikula, and got a funny story out of it to tell. Also got a loving sweet Geist. I prefer to believe that he wasn't trying to rules lawyer me and honestly thought I was trying to pull something. Sure that might not be the most likely thing in the world but I'd not seethe about it for the rest of the day. My friend took care of the wanting-to-punch-him-in-the-face department A big flaming stink fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Sep 15, 2014 |
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Sep 15, 2014 05:31
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Count Bleck posted:
Stop activating Mindslaver, hth
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Sep 15, 2014 05:35
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MiddleEastBeast posted:Stop playing modo, hth
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A big flaming stink posted:Went 5-3 drop in the WMCQ today. Overall it was alot of fun, had the last hurrah of my BW midrange deck. I also had a hilariously brutal run early in the tournament. Win the first round, round 2 get paired against Gerard Fabiano, win, then get paired against Chris Pakula, lost. Unless you flat out know you saw something, you didn't see poo poo. No hesitation, no thinking about it. You can trick yourself into thinking you saw it if you try to remember. You probably did trick yourself into thinking you saw the frame. Congrats on the win, BTW.
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Sep 15, 2014 05:41
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As much as I'd love to, Modern is a very rare thing where I live, there's one tournament a week and I don't actually have this deck built yet. I have Merfolk instead.
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Sep 15, 2014 05:46
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Tracula posted:You know I admit I know basically nothing about MTGO but god does it look ugly and more like a freeware client than some freeware clients I've seen I know it's beating a dead horse to death but I've played the modded version of DOTP with about 90% of entire card pool in magic, and it is much more responsive and fun to visually watch than v4.
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Sep 15, 2014 05:51
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Count Bleck posted:I casted Repeal for 0 earlier because the client lagged on me and thought I tapped F2 first, and then tapped my 2 mana to bounce his Delver. I learned that day that DFC'd cards have 0 CMC apparently? They sure do. That's why my Ravager of the Fells regularly gets Abrupy Decayed.
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Sep 15, 2014 06:14
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Korak posted:Want a shocker? This ugly thing is "releasing" sometime next year and cost millions of dollars and like 3-6 years to produce. When we had the option of v3 or v4, almost every single pro or regular user of MTGO preferred v3. Count Bleck posted:
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Sep 15, 2014 06:27
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Heh, a foil token maker gets you foil tokens in Modo (from an lsv video)
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MiddleEastBeast posted:M14 and other recent core sets did have it? I was under the impression that real world flavor text went away some time in the 90's or early 2000's. Every core set except M13 and M15 has had at least one instance of real world flavour text. To be sure, for some time they have most usually been reprints from the early game, rather than new additions. And since M10 started mixing in new cards, real world text has consequently dropped off pretty hard. They don't want to use it in expert expansions because there's limited space for worldbuilding and putting real world quotes is basically the total opposite of that. Frankly, they could halve their lovely flavour text joke quotient to greater effect, but it's not the worst reason.
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Fun hypothetical, what's the fastest kill possible in Momir Basic, assuming your opponent just draws a card and says go? Fastest I can figure out is: T1: Mountain, Wild Nacatl T2: Plains, attack for 3 (21), Lightning Mauler T3: Any land, Cosmic Larva, attack for 12 (9) T4: Sacrifice two land, attack for game edit: Found a T3 kill. T1: land T2: land, Immolating Souleater T3: Silverblade Paladin, soulbond, pay 22 life, attack for 24 Chamale fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Sep 15, 2014 |
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Sep 15, 2014 07:16
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Count Bleck posted:
Have you been actually reporting the bugs? That helps!
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MiddleEastBeast posted:Stop activating Mindslaver, hth Mindslaver in person is fine, you just activate it and your opponent scoops Went 4-2 at this weekend's Modern 1k (missed top 8, and thus money, on breakers, ending at 11th place) with Mono-U Tron. My previous modern tournament experience had been a single FNM where I lost every single match. Was very fun, beat affinity twice, UR delver and a weird mono blue All The Time Walks deck with howling mines and laboratory maniac for the wincon (did 20 to him with a Swan Song token game 3) lost to BG Rock and some weird RWB brew curving Pack Rat into Brimaz (sadly that deck ended up going 3-3, I just had no idea how to play or board against it). atelier morgan fucked around with this message at 08:03 on Sep 15, 2014 |
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I was considering cards for Jeskai Heroic, and I thought of Artisan of forms. If I use an instant-speed spell to target it and turn it into a copy of Sarkhan when he's a dragon, the Artisan will be a flying, 4/4 indestructible dragon, correct?
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Sep 15, 2014 08:05
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It will copy an unanimated Sarkhan, and have 0 loyalty counters and die the next time SBEs are checked.
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Sep 15, 2014 08:12
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Nuts. That's disappointing.
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No, the remainder text says that he's not a planeswalker while he's a dragon. If the had both types at the same time than yeah it would die due to lack of counters, but he doesn't work like gideon. edit: I don't get why you would particularly want this interaction though one of them still blows up due to the legendary rule.
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Algid posted:No, the remainder text says that he's not a planeswalker while he's a dragon. If the had both types at the same time than yeah it would die due to lack of counters, but he doesn't work like gideon. Not if your opponent controls the Sarkhan. e: If you were asking about both in your deck, though, then yeah, that doesn't interact well. Dr. Strange M.D. fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Sep 15, 2014 |
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I guess, the way he phrased things I assumed he wanted to do that with his own deck for some reason. I like combos too, but doing something like that just doesn't seem particularly useful. I'd rather do stuff like armed or boros charm paired with a rampager bloodrush, or pair rabblemaster with ride down for huge damage.
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Nah, the deck I'm thinking of probably wouldn't play Sarkhan.
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Algid posted:No, the remainder text says that he's not a planeswalker while he's a dragon. If the had both types at the same time than yeah it would die due to lack of counters, but he doesn't work like gideon. Pretty sure this isn't the case for the same reason that copying an animated manland gets you an unanimated copy of the land. He might not be a planeswalker but it would still go against similar precedent for 'is a dragon, not a planeswalker' to be a characteristic that gets copied. edit-- You seem to think that people are saying that the copied Sarkhan would be both a 0-loyalty walker and a dragon, and die. That's not what people are saying--rather people are saying that it would never copy the dragon transformation in the first place, because clone effects don't generally do that.
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Algid posted:No, the remainder text says that he's not a planeswalker while he's a dragon. If the had both types at the same time than yeah it would die due to lack of counters, but he doesn't work like gideon. That's just not right. Copy effects always reflect the card they're copying as printed, and never care about auras, equipment, spells or effects which are currently effecting what you decided to copy. It's the same reason why having Clone copy an animated land will just get you a land. This is specifically because copy effects apply in layer 1, long before Sarkhan's type-changing effect, which applies in layer 4.
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You're right, type changes aren't copied, I was being stupid.
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Huh. I didn't realize how this actually worked. I guess it's good that I had to look this up. For reference: Comp. Rules posted:706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The “copiable values” are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by “as . . . enters the battlefield” and “as . . . is turned face up” abilities that set characteristics, and by abilities that caused the object to be face down. Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.
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Zorak posted:Have you been actually reporting the bugs? That helps!  I mean yeah you should report bugs but the Pauper people can tell you that there's been bugs in Pauper(which is moderately freaking popular on MTGO at one time) that lasted for years. When that MTGO-gate thing happened a while back, they did start fixing some older bugs but it wasn't a lot of fixes. They broke a few cards too.quote:edit-- You seem to think that people are saying that the copied Sarkhan would be both a 0-loyalty walker and a dragon, and die. That's not what people are saying--rather people are saying that it would never copy the dragon transformation in the first place, because clone effects don't generally do that.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Mardu Ascendancy counters Anger of the Gods pretty effectively. Also Drown in Sorrows, if it comes to that. I think Ascendancy is going to be a big sideboard card against slower/more controlling decks because it 1) protects against the two sub-5 mana sweepers in the format and 2) keeps you from having to commit too heavily to the board by generating a lot of inevitability with the tokens.
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So, does the new Clever Impersonator that comes in as a copy of any non-land permanent let you copy a planeswalker for longer than until someone gets priority? Does the copy get loyalty counters?
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Samael posted:Goons, do you think Keranos has a place in a more burn/tempo focused monsters temur deck in the new standard? I absolutely love the card and really want it to be useful.
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The Sultai deck posted by JACOB VAN LUNEN on CFB looks pretty nice, I still think that you're better off just going for value with Delvecestral Delvecall than going all in on Empty The Pits.
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End of Life Guy posted:So, does the new Clever Impersonator that comes in as a copy of any non-land permanent let you copy a planeswalker for longer than until someone gets priority? Does the copy get loyalty counters? It'll enter the battlefield as that planeswalker, so it'll get loyalty counters.
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AlsoD posted:The Sultai deck posted by JACOB VAN LUNEN on CFB looks pretty nice, I still think that you're better off just going for value with Delvecestral Delvecall than going all in on Empty The Pits. Pro's always seem to come up with a brew of the neat cards in a set, then just play goodstuff.dec for actual events. I'm pretty sure it is just to sell more cards.
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End of Life Guy posted:So, does the new Clever Impersonator that comes in as a copy of any non-land permanent let you copy a planeswalker for longer than until someone gets priority? Does the copy get loyalty counters? You choose what it is copying as it leaves the stack, then is treated as if it is exactly that card. So if I copy my opponents Kiora, as it is entering the battlefield it is LItERALLY a Kiora as far as game in progress is concerned, and will get the 2 loyalty.
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End of Life Guy posted:So, does the new Clever Impersonator that comes in as a copy of any non-land permanent let you copy a planeswalker for longer than until someone gets priority? Does the copy get loyalty counters? Planeswalker loyalty as printed on the card is a shorthand for the effective rules text 'this permanent enters the battlefield with a number of loyalty counters on it equal to its printed loyalty'. Because the Impersonator enters the battlefield as a copy of that planeswalker, it gets the loyalty counters as it comes in too. This is the same reason that a planeswalker which comes back from under a destroyed O Ring/Detention Sphere/Banishing Light gets to replenish its loyalty. It's mildly unintuitive if you're used to permanents mostly coming back from exile without counters because of the changing zones rules (and the Planeswalker doesn't have any counters on it while in exile) but the same thing applies for any permanent which actually ETBs with counters, like creatures with graft. Sleep of Bronze fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Sep 15, 2014 |
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mehall posted:You choose what it is copying as it leaves the stack, then is treated as if it is exactly that card. So if I copy my opponents Kiora, as it is entering the battlefield it is LItERALLY a Kiora as far as game in progress is concerned, and will get the 2 loyalty. ... I didn't realize the initial conversation was about Artisan of Forms. I just thought we were discussing why cloning a planeswalker wouldn't work. Thanks!
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