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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Shbobdb posted:

That's what blew my mind. Why would you go full Tea Party in San Francisco? That's just the dumbest thing possible.

Unsurprisingly, she was also super racist and homophobic. She was smart enough not to mention that to customers but she wasn't shy talking to colleagues about it.

How does she even survive in San Francisco with an attitude like that, especially in sales? I lived there for a few years and am pretty liberal but often even I wasn't far enough left for most people there. For instance, I smoked, ate meat and wasn't immediately outraged at off-color jokes. I caught a fair amount of poo poo for it.

Does her boss know she leads her pitch with politics?

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Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.
I know a finance shithead from high school who routinely bitches about welfare and food stamps and "PC NFL punishing Adrian Peterson, why I got beaten worse as a kid!" on Facebook and now lives in SF.

Incidentally I knew a Chinese-American private teacher at a high school who lives in San Francisco and bitches about "all the crazy people" and talks about how "he's been to the Real America™, the Carolinas and Alabama, and San Francisco is too un-American" and that he only lives there for the weather. Even SF has these kinds of nutjobs.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


BiggerBoat posted:

How does she even survive in San Francisco with an attitude like that, especially in sales?

Because people forgot why they used to eyedrop the fucks.

usbombshell
Oct 29, 2004

Boom!
I don't know where to put this, but this seems as good of a place as any and I have to tell someone.

I am reviewing a textbook for a publisher and the authors were discussing the "knockout game" as a form of hate crime. Their citation? Breitbart.

:shepicide:

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

usbombshell posted:

I don't know where to put this, but this seems as good of a place as any and I have to tell someone.

I am reviewing a textbook for a publisher and the authors were discussing the "knockout game" as a form of hate crime. Their citation? Breitbart.

:shepicide:

Send the book back infected with termites hopefully it'll spread.

Xibanya
Sep 17, 2012




Clever Betty
I had a Bulgarian friend. We went to the same university in Madrid for a year and then he transferred to an American school (NYU). He was so pissed off after a few years in the states - he said America was too socialist and too full of nonwhite people (lol racist Eastern European). I asked him where he'd rather live instead but he didn't have an answer.

Poor Bulgarian, I guess he'll just have to settle for the richest whitest most capitalist country in the western world :qq:

Kelfeftaf
Sep 9, 2011

Tab8715 posted:

Source? This is just unreal.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/10/22/Fox-News-Steven-Crowder

Winter Stormer
Oct 17, 2012

Xibanya posted:

I had a Bulgarian friend. We went to the same university in Madrid for a year and then he transferred to an American school (NYU). He was so pissed off after a few years in the states - he said America was too socialist and too full of nonwhite people (lol racist Eastern European). I asked him where he'd rather live instead but he didn't have an answer.

Poor Bulgarian, I guess he'll just have to settle for the richest whitest most capitalist country in the western world :qq:

He was aware that there was more to America than just New York, right? Two weeks in North Dakota and I didn't see a single nonwhite person.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Winter Stormer posted:

He was aware that there was more to America than just New York, right? Two weeks in North Dakota and I didn't see a single nonwhite person.

And now you know why Scandinavians settled there.

MrUnderbridge
Jun 25, 2011

I had an experience with a guy like this earlier this summer.

I was at a teacher development workshop on mechatronics, and didn't know anyone. Or so I thought. This guy comes up to me at a break and goes into "Hey, remember me?" Turns out he'd worked at my school a few years back. For a week. He had been hired to teach technology but kept asking when we were going to "give him the lessons". Especially Office, since he didn't know that. Wait - he's supposed to teach tech to middle schoolers and doesn't know Office, or that he has to make his own lessons? He was gone before kids started.
Anyway, part of the workshop was at a multinational company that makes precision gas control devices. The CEO was married to our former head of school , so I chatted with him about her. Moustachio asks about the company working with car companies. The CEO replied that they tend to take outside ideas and make them their own. Moustachio then says, "Oh, right. That's what I call the Jew effect." My jaw dropped and I edged away, hoping to not be associated with this dipshit.

Fulchrum
Apr 16, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Berke Negri posted:

Reagan also encapsulates other positive qualities conservatives love, such as "stance wills reality into shape" similar to W. It is less important what you do, or what you believe, as what you portray. Reagan's presidency was mixed at best from an objective standpoint, even the fall of the soviet union didn't really happen under his watch, while crime reached its apex and race riots were rampant and the 80s were kind of a muddle economically despite what people tell you. Eisenhower would be the logical real Jesus figure of Republicans, as he, you know, defeated Nazis, presided over an amazing period of economic growth, and protected American interests throughout the world but he was (literally the only in history probably) a RINO so nevermind.

Bit late on this, but unless my history is pretty off, that was FDR, a democrat. Eisenhower was the guy from 1952-60

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Fulchrum posted:

Bit late on this, but unless my history is pretty off, that was FDR, a democrat. Eisenhower was the guy from 1952-60

Oh you poor thing.

e: You can read up on Five Star General Eisenhower here.

moths fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Sep 14, 2014

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

So reading a couple pages back about how right-wingers really hate muslims, it reminded me of Rick Perry's self-obliteration during the primaries. That moment was very fascinating to me because it really showed just how much Republicans hate Hispanics illegals. Yeah, I knew they hated them, but other than Perry showing an ounce of compassion on that subject, he was a Republican goldenboy. You would think (or at least I did) that he would have received a tiny bit of leeway on that one issue, but no, Republicans REALLY hate Messicans.

So it got me thinking, how would you guys rank the people who make up the Republican base in terms of power:

- supply siders
- Bible thumpers
- Confederates/racists/nativists
- Neocons
- second amendment'ers

I don't think I'm missing anyone am I?

Mr Interweb fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Sep 15, 2014

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.

Fulchrum posted:

Bit late on this, but unless my history is pretty off, that was FDR, a democrat. Eisenhower was the guy from 1952-60

Eisenhower was a commanding general in WWII, so that's gonna give him "defeated Nazis" credibility.

Fulchrum
Apr 16, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Lycus posted:

Eisenhower was a commanding general in WWII, so that's gonna give him "defeated Nazis" credibility.


Oh, thats what it was referring to. I thought they were strictly talking about acts in the presidency.

Mr Interweb posted:

So reading a couple pages back about how right-wingers really hate muslims, it reminded me of Rick Perry's self-obliteration during the primaries. That moment was very fascinating to me because it really showed just how much Republicans hate Hispanics illegals. Yeah, I knew they hated them, but other than Perry showing an ounce of compassion on that subject, he was a Republican goldenboy. You would think (or at least I did) that he would have received a tiny bit of leeway on that one issue, but no, Republicans REALLY hate Messicans.

So it got me thinking, how would you guys rank the people who make up the Republican base in terms of power:

- supply siders
- Bible thumpers
- Confederates/racists/nativists
- Neocons

I don't think I'm missing anyone am I?



First group bought the news sources and tells the others what to think.

Edible Hat
Jul 23, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
The Republican establishment:
1) Supply-siders
2) Neocons
3) Bible thumpers
4) Racists (aka "not-racists")

The Republican base:
1) Bible thumpers
2) Racists
3) Supply-siders
4) Neocons

fade5
May 31, 2012

by exmarx

Xibanya posted:

I had a Bulgarian friend. We went to the same university in Madrid for a year and then he transferred to an American school (NYU). He was so pissed off after a few years in the states - he said America was too socialist and too full of nonwhite people (lol racist Eastern European). I asked him where he'd rather live instead but he didn't have an answer.

Poor Bulgarian, I guess he'll just have to settle for the richest whitest most capitalist country in the western world :qq:

Winter Stormer posted:

He was aware that there was more to America than just New York, right? Two weeks in North Dakota and I didn't see a single nonwhite person.
Yeah, that's basically true for pretty much any state east of the Mississippi River and north of Oklahoma (not including California or Nevada), assuming you stay off the various Native American reservations. Also good, get the gently caress out of America if you don't like all the non-white people here.:colbert:

On a side note, growing up in San Antonio led to a rather funny family moment last vacation: we realized we felt more at home in the Navajo Nation surrounded by Native Americans than we did in Utah surrounded by white people. I guess that's what growing up/living in a majority Hispanic neighborhood does to you.:v:

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Oh whoops, I forgot the gun nuts!

J. P. Beagley
Apr 11, 2008

You might be able to add pro-lifers too, though that might overlap with the Bible Thumpers.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually
I always divide the Republican party into three factions:
1) Neocons (military-industrial complex, war and intervention and neo-imperialism) - small in number but very influential
2) Plutocrats (rich people and the Chamber of Commerce) - the "establishment"
3) Theocons (evangelical religious leaders and their many, many followers) - the "base"

Not included (because their numbers and influence are effectively zero): libertarians, isolationists, actual "small government" conservatives

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene

BiggerBoat posted:

How does she even survive in San Francisco with an attitude like that, especially in sales? I lived there for a few years and am pretty liberal but often even I wasn't far enough left for most people there. For instance, I smoked, ate meat and wasn't immediately outraged at off-color jokes. I caught a fair amount of poo poo for it.

Does her boss know she leads her pitch with politics?

I don't get it either, but she grew up not far from here so I just think it's a "country girl has made it because she moved to the city" narrative.

Our boss didn't need to know how she led her pitches since it was a self correcting problem. That's one of the things I love about sales: you can do anything if your numbers are good and they don't give a poo poo why your numbers are bad, if you can't hack it you are done. It's a very honest and transparent career.

Spacedad
Sep 11, 2001

We go play orbital catch around the curvature of the earth, son.
The empty gesturing of GOP political theater in a nutshell: Gold Stars for everyone!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnx5EhgQdcI

You get an award! An award for 'posing for a empty photo-op as suggested by my high-priced campaign consultants.'



So apparently the way this GOP candidate has decided to appeal to women is by springing himself unsolicited upon them, and insisting they like him....hmm.

Spacedad fucked around with this message at 11:52 on Sep 15, 2014

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx

FMguru posted:

I always divide the Republican party into three factions:
1) Neocons (military-industrial complex, war and intervention and neo-imperialism) - small in number but very influential
2) Plutocrats (rich people and the Chamber of Commerce) - the "establishment"
3) Theocons (evangelical religious leaders and their many, many followers) - the "base"

Not included (because their numbers and influence are effectively zero): libertarians, isolationists, actual "small government" conservatives

There's enough overlap these days between whatever one wishes to divide the fusionist ticket into it doesn't matter that much how you split them up.

Plenty of business class establishment Republicans are also bible thumpers or have some ties to Bircher or Bircher offshoots, especially among the business community in the South and Midwest, for example. And what's left of the establishment Republicans in the Northeast often overlap with the Neocons or at the very least run in the same social circles.

Really the only meaningful intraparty division now is those in an office safe enough from primary challenge that they're still willing to compromise with the other party versus those who won't or can't.

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump
If I was going to split up the Republican Party it would be into the rationally self-interested, the tribalists, and the believers.

The first are people that benefit from deregulation and/or low taxes. The second are the people that are more concerned with never admitting they were wrong than actual policies. The last really truly believe in the message and pull heavily towards the loudly religious or libertarian groups.

Splitting into business/hawks/religious ends up with too much overlap.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

BiggerBoat posted:

How does she even survive in San Francisco with an attitude like that, especially in sales? I lived there for a few years and am pretty liberal but often even I wasn't far enough left for most people there. For instance, I smoked, ate meat and wasn't immediately outraged at off-color jokes. I caught a fair amount of poo poo for it.
One the great delusions of dittohead-style thinking is the belief that the vast majority of people believe the same way. Real Americans greatly outnumber the tiny number of leftists (who exercise oversized influence in American society because of Political Correctness and their control of Hollywood and the schools and universities), only they're too cowed to speak up most of the time. The notion that there's this huge reserve out there of Real Americans just waiting to be woken up to the power and influence they could control shows up over and over again in the freeper thread, for instance, and is a key element of wingnut propaganda.

It sounds like she was so hopped up on Limbaugh that she figured that even in San Francisco she was around people who quietly believed the way she did. After all, her (potential) clients weren't smelly hippies or angry hairy-legged dykes or welfare Shaniquas with twelve kids - these were successful professionals with money. Naturally, she'd share an ideology with her. Why wouldn't they?

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


What's a supply sider?

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

Tab8715 posted:

What's a supply sider?

It's the academic name for trickle down economics.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.

Tab8715 posted:

What's a supply sider?

Someone who believes in supply-side economics, pretty much the basis for "stimulate the economy by giving more money to rich people"

Malleum
Aug 16, 2014

Am I the one at fault? What about me is wrong?
Buglord

Tab8715 posted:

What's a supply sider?

An adherent/supporter of supply side economics. Think the people who worship the "job creators" and buy bitcoin.

Pharmaskittle
Dec 17, 2007

arf arf put the money in the fuckin bag

Now I want to brew a drink called Supply Cider.

Fulchrum
Apr 16, 2013

by R. Guyovich
We fed the extra cider to our CEO, and you drink what was produced by him, and should be thank him for it.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


FMguru posted:

One the great delusions of dittohead-style thinking is the belief that the vast majority of people believe the same way. Real Americans greatly outnumber the tiny number of leftists (who exercise oversized influence in American society because of Political Correctness and their control of Hollywood and the schools and universities), only they're too cowed to speak up most of the time. The notion that there's this huge reserve out there of Real Americans just waiting to be woken up to the power and influence they could control shows up over and over again in the freeper thread, for instance, and is a key element of wingnut propaganda.

It sounds like she was so hopped up on Limbaugh that she figured that even in San Francisco she was around people who quietly believed the way she did. After all, her (potential) clients weren't smelly hippies or angry hairy-legged dykes or welfare Shaniquas with twelve kids - these were successful professionals with money. Naturally, she'd share an ideology with her. Why wouldn't they?

The term you're looking for is Silent Majority, and they take for granted it exists because it did exist back in 1968 when the right wing ascendence began. The reason they're so arrogant is because for a good 30 years they were able to do whatever the gently caress they wanted and did actually have popular support for it. The fact that they don't anymore is the cause of enormous amounts of existential angst whenever they realize it, though of course they don't actually admit they do in public.

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Sep 15, 2014

GROVER CURES HOUSE
Aug 26, 2007

Go on...

Tab8715 posted:

What's a supply sider?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc-LJ_3VbUA

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc
Thanks, was hoping for SSJ to be posted. Can't access YouTube at work.

Fuckt Tupp
Apr 19, 2007

Science

Pharmaskittle posted:

Now I want to brew a drink called Supply Cider.

Guaranteed to stimulate your trickle-down economics.

Von Sloneker
Jul 6, 2009

as if all this was something more
than another footnote on a postcard from nowhere,
another chapter in the handbook for exercises in futility
Apparently there's a new foxnews.jpg to add to the ever growing zip file. Not sure where it came from; both Steve Benen and someone named @ZeddRebel tweeted it.



fake edit: oh, it's originally from Media Matters

Skex
Feb 22, 2012

The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

Good Citizen posted:

If I was going to split up the Republican Party it would be into the rationally self-interested, the tribalists, and the believers.

The first are people that benefit from deregulation and/or low taxes. The second are the people that are more concerned with never admitting they were wrong than actual policies. The last really truly believe in the message and pull heavily towards the loudly religious or libertarian groups.

Splitting into business/hawks/religious ends up with too much overlap.

Too complicated, If you want break up the GOP you have the hucksters and the suckers.

Tab8715 posted:

What's a supply sider?

The political/economic embodiment of "The Field of Dreams".

"if you build it they will buy it"

I call it faith based economics because it relies on faith that people will somehow find the money to buy what ever crap you produce.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Edible Hat posted:

The Republican establishment:
1) Supply-siders
2) Neocons
3) Bible thumpers
4) Racists (aka "not-racists")

The Republican base:
1) Bible thumpers
2) Racists
3) Supply-siders
4) Neocons

That's literally the best summary of Republican voters I've ever seen, it should literally be included in 3rd week of Modern American Politics 101. If I made it a little more PC I'd say it's mostly Neocons, Religious Right and Supply-Siders.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?



Why hasn't Al Franken run for president?

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Davethulhu
Aug 12, 2003

Morbid Hound

Tab8715 posted:

Why hasn't Al Franken run for president?

As a Jew, he prefers to run things from the shadows.

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