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Deofuta posted:With regards to the MTGO bug from a page back, here is an interesting article from the Meadery. While the opinion is the same as is shared amongst most, I like how the author breaks some of it down and goes through some of the issues with MTGO as is. This is a good article, I agree with every point she makes. It sucks that the game we love has such poo poo online play.
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A friends brew in mirrodin standard was to play door, then tooth and nail for a pair of composite golems to pay for the activation.
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neetengie posted:I'm guessing that all singles are organized in those long rectangular boxes by set and alphabetically, so if they do that it should be no problem. This is how one of the LCS's in my area does it: just boxes and boxes full of commons and uncommons all organized by alphabetical order in each set. Rares/Mythics all kept in their own binders for, again, each set. It makes it really, really easy to find everything. Madmarker posted:This is a good article, I agree with every point she makes. It sucks that the game we love has such poo poo online play. Agreed. It's stupid that we have to put up with dumb poo poo in order to actually enjoy a game. Some of us don't have places we can go to frequently to play magic. There isn't a store anywhere nearby that does Modern events other than on Mondays, which I usually work on. I loving love Modern. 
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What happens if I Reverberate a Tsabo's Decree? Do I get to choose a new creature type for the copied spell or does the copy retain the creature type of the original?
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Sep 16, 2014 15:18
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IANAJ but I think the choice happens on resolution.
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That's correct. At the time you Reverberate it, your opponent technically hasn't even chosen the creature type. Most players will shortcut it as "Tsabo's Decree on Elves" or whatever but in strict timing terms, you just put it on the stack without choosing. Then you can Reverberate and put your copy on the stack without choosing, and when your copy resolves is when you'll actually name the creature type.
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Sep 16, 2014 15:25
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Yes, what he said. You gotta watch out at comp rel though, asking what choice implies that the spell resolves and you are passing priority. If you are redirecting something like a charm, you don't get to change the mode though, that's chosen on casting.
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Anybody else read this yet? http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/97627087608/can-you-elaborate-on-why-wizards-has-chosen-to#notes Has this been done before? And ugh, combo is back! http://i.imgur.com/hGFgL4n.png Sickening fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Sep 16, 2014 |
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Sep 16, 2014 15:43
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Sickening posted:
That's a really bad one though.
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Sep 16, 2014 15:54
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Sickening posted:Anybody else read this yet? Restricting information about the metagame? Yes, actually. Mark Rosewater, Monday, February 16, 2009 posted:9.It's hard to read magicthegathering.com without tripping over numerous deck lists, but were you aware that in the beginning, for over a year, Wizards' official policy was to not reveal deck lists? Even odder than that, Wizards didn't reveal card text or even rarity of the cards. Why? The thought of the time was that a key component of the game was discovery. If Wizards told you what the cards were or how rare they were. or if they shared decks made by other players. then they would be disrupting this discovery process. The first full list of cards in Alpha, complete with rarity (although wrong in spots; they guessed based on the packs they opened) was published in a gaming magazine called Shadis. Full sharing of the deck lists did not happen until the start of the Pro Tour. The deck lists for both the 1994 and 1995 World Championships finalists, for example, were not shared with the public at the time. Interestingly enough, I was the reporter covering both matches for The Duelist and thus was the one who recorded all the decks and then specifically didn't give them out. Obviously, time and the growth of the Internet made Wizards realize that sharing information, not withholding it, was a key part of building the community and metagame. From here: http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/mm/26
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Sep 16, 2014 15:56
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Sickening posted:combo is back! http://i.imgur.com/hGFgL4n.png On the other hand, man all those pieces are cheap. Stuff a deck with countermagic, board sweepers and card draw and it could be a thing.
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Sickening posted:Anybody else read this yet? The guy that's done a couple hundred goldfishes said that the only deck faster from his understanding is the Rabble Red type decks by 1 turn. This is of course without disruption for the combo, but no one packs 4 of Swan Song in their decks week one. Korak fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Sep 16, 2014 |
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Sep 16, 2014 15:58
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Sickening posted:Anybody else read this yet? I remember people complaining about the restriction of decklists when they first did it, but considering what we saw this past season, I think it's absolutely the right decision. Monoblack, Monoblue, and Esper Control were the top three decks at the Pro Tour, only two weeks after the set was released, and they've basically been the top decks for the entire season, and now people are sick of playing nothing but mono-black mirrors. Imagine if every season ended up like that.
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Sep 16, 2014 16:02
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The real combo is THE NEW TWIN COMBO where you cast Become Immense on Dragon-Style Twins after they don't block and hit them for 20.
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Sep 16, 2014 16:05
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Remember that these are "combos" that fold to a single creature removal spell. Unless the combo pieces themselves fit into an existing deck shell I don't think they're going to take things by storm. On the other hand if the individual cards mostly do fit into e.g. a tempo strategy, and you get to play a copy or two of Retraction Helix just to force your opponent to respect the possibility of a combo kill, that could achieve something.
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Sep 16, 2014 16:07
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At least the Jeskai Ascendancy combo can be done with a naturally Hexproof creature. Artifact removal will get you, however.
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Sep 16, 2014 16:13
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Sickening posted:Anybody else read this yet? What information does StarCity withhold? They announce the top 16 of each standard open right?
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Boco_T posted:The real combo is THE NEW TWIN COMBO where you cast Become Immense on Dragon-Style Twins after they don't block and hit them for 20. I always liked the Brave Naya combo where you use Ghor-Clan Rampager on a Fabled Hero. Winning out of nowhere is hilarious.
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Angry Grimace posted:I always liked the Brave Naya combo where you use Ghor-Clan Rampager on a Fabled Hero. Winning out of nowhere is hilarious. I loved playing Revenge of the Hunted in my G/W Aggro deck with Silverblade Paladins. I got a couple turn 3 kills with that deck at FNM.
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Myriad Truths posted:Most of the things you're talking about are equivalent to saying that you think it's going to be a slow format though. I mean, if your big play is turn 3 play a 2/2, turn 5 unmorph and attack, that's a big creature and all, but it's still a slow-paced game. No, they really aren't equivalent and I don't see where you get that idea. I think this is as a format where you should be able to build an aggressive deck, a controlling deck, or something in between. And I feel all of them can benefit from the extra mana in 18th land. The morph example is one card, and that card won't exist in a vacuum. Are the T1, T2, and T4 plays around it aggressive? Opening hand plus four drawn cards and there's five cards still left after the morph common and lands. If you have creature plays around it T2 and T4, I hardly think the start is slow, it's pretty typical curving out. And if you have that turn 5 five mana and that common morph is alive, you're pretty well off.
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Myriad Truths posted:Most of the things you're talking about are equivalent to saying that you think it's going to be a slow format though. I mean, if your big play is turn 3 play a 2/2, turn 5 unmorph and attack, that's a big creature and all, but it's still a slow-paced game. One of the most aggressive Limited formats in recent history, Zendikar, featured largely 18 land decks because people had things to do with the extra mana(kicker) and things to do with the lands(landfall).
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Has anyone tried steam augury with treasure cruise or dig through time? Seems like you could do more mind games with the piles and still net CA/delve fodder. Minimum 1 for delve, max 6. Let's you hold up counter magic after cruising, etc.
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18 land was the standard in Onslaught block draft, but that was because Morph was much more prevalent than it will be in Khans and missing your 3rd land drop in OLS was basically game over
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Molybdenum posted:Has anyone tried steam augury with treasure cruise or dig through time? Seems like you could do more mind games with the piles and still net CA/delve fodder. Minimum 1 for delve, max 6. Let's you hold up counter magic after cruising, etc. For Steam Augury, 4 mana seems like a lot of mana to put 4-5 cards in your graveyard. And trying to use Steam Augury the "correct" way is difficult, because if you are behind and need an answer, you have to hit 2 answers or your opponent will give you the answer-less pile. It's an okay durdly card if you're just looking for value while you're ahead, though.
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Nemico posted:At least the Jeskai Ascendancy combo can be done with a naturally Hexproof creature. Artifact removal will get you, however. The Jeskai Ascendancy combo has one engine in it and if it becomes good, just gets utterly wrecked by Stain the Mind and Thoughtseize. It also gets wrecked by targeting your own Caryatid with Bile Blight. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Sep 16, 2014 |
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Angry Grimace posted:The Jeskai Ascendancy combo has one engine in it and if it becomes good, just gets utterly wrecked by Stain the Mind and Thoughtseize. It also gets wrecked by targeting your own Caryatid with Bile Blight. "if this deck gets good this card wrecks it" seems a poor argument for not playing the deck right now. Bile blight is actually pretty bad at stopping the deck since one noncreature spell puts caryatid out of blight range. Also, if Stain is actually brought in we could see the dream of a Standard deck playing ~~Swan Song~~
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Jabor posted:Remember that these are "combos" that fold to a single creature removal spell. Unless the combo pieces themselves fit into an existing deck shell I don't think they're going to take things by storm. The guy has tested against thoughtseize, turns out it doesn't do much against the deck at all. Stain the Mind does completely hose it, but are you really packing 4 stains in the sideboard?
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A big flaming stink posted:"if this deck gets good this card wrecks it" seems a poor argument for not playing the deck right now. Bile blight is actually pretty bad at stopping the deck since one noncreature spell puts caryatid out of blight range.
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Sep 16, 2014 18:22
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What is the Jeskai Ascendancy combo?
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Angry Grimace posted:The deck has to spend like three turns casting mana dorks and "this card gets wrecked by all these cards" is a much better argument when the entire deck functions off of Jeskai Ascendancy. I dont know man the builds people are throwing around seem to dig through their deck hella fast looking for ascendency. Thoughtseize is thoughtseize but I'm pretty sure this deck is positioned to thrive in a meta that has alot of grindy midrange decks.
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jassi007 posted:What information does StarCity withhold? They announce the top 16 of each standard open right? Right now all the SCG guys and semi-pros that have the inside track at Wotc are the only people that know the behind the scenes numbers. Let's not kid ourselves that they don't have a leg up in this info, on top of all the testing they're able to do.
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A big flaming stink posted:I dont know man the builds people are throwing around seem to dig through their deck hella fast looking for ascendency. Thoughtseize is thoughtseize but I'm pretty sure this deck is positioned to thrive in a meta that has alot of grindy midrange decks. Its a format with a lot of available answers and Thoughtseize is a mainboard card, so its not even necessarily at an advantage in game one when its not running countermagic. Not to mention it runs no counters at all for creatures and Eidolon of Rhetoric, Eidolon of the Great Revel and Spirit of the Labyrinth are available.
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That Jeskai combo looks pretty stupid but the fact that only one of the combo pieces has to be out on the board the turn before you go off is a point for it. I don't think card selection in this format is good enough for the deck to actually work, especially since it doesn't do anything without the combo. Usually good combo decks are decks that are decent enough without their combo and sometimes just kill you out of nowhere. This is why Splinter Twin and Pod decks are so good in Modern: Either one can win without drawing combo pieces. Also, this combo deck is going into a Standard where both Thoughtseize and Despise are legal.
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Angry Grimace posted:Its a format with a lot of available answers and Thoughtseize is a mainboard card, so its not even necessarily at an advantage in game one when its not running countermagic. Not to mention it runs no counters at all for creatures and Eidolon of Rhetoric, Eidolon of the Great Revel and Spirit of the Labyrinth are available. edit: I should clarify there are two combo decks with Jeskai Ascendancy, both look good but the storm-y one looks like it might be better than the other. Korak fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Sep 16, 2014 |
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Korak posted:No one is running these things yet. Again we're talking week one, tournament one. Yeah 4 weeks from now when this thing has won like every tournament cuz standard players forgot what combo is sure, then it moves its maindeck package to swan song/negate counters for the crucial turn to go off. Well, I'm not really concerned about whether it can beat an uncertain meta on day one at FNM. Negate and Swan Song don't do anything against the various critters that shut down the combo entirely, not to mention all the other ways you can disrupt the deck. Looking at the decklist, I don't think it even can move Swan Song and Negate to mainboard. The deck would have to run like 70 cards to fit it in with the rest of the combo.
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Sickening posted:Anybody else read this yet? I like this game...lets play lovely combos for Khans. Khans T2 Combo These will all be crappy win combos. I think Wizards has done a good enough job lately to make instant win combos fairly difficult to pull off.
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Korak posted:Not the Jeskai one. Anyway no one is packing super cheap removal except for red it seems in this new format. Someone please correct me on the non-red cheap removals(2 mana or less.)
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Korak posted:They're withholding deck registrations. What should happen is that all tournament info should be legally and openly known after its over. This includes MTGO. Apparently they're keeping the information hidden from us because they don't want people to datamine it. To me this is bullshit but the only pressure we can put on realistically would be SCG to stop working with WOTC on this. Speaking as someone whose entire life and career revolves around data, I would sell a kidney for access to StarCity's records. Sure, we get the Top 16, but that doesn't really give a ton of information. You see half those lists are mono black and assume it's the strongest deck, but that's not necessarily accurate. What if 70% of the field was mono black? Simple random chance will give you more decks in the top 16. What about specific card count trends that show how an archetype is evolving? Just the ability to see something as obvious as archetype density statistics gives players with SCG a HUGE advantage when making deck choices for the next event...it's way easier to make meta calls when you know what the meta is and how it's evolving with hard numbers instead of a vague, "It FEELS like there's more control showing up." You don't even really need to come up with a reaction yourself, you can look at past data for correlations that can predict how the meta will react to these trends...e.g. in the past when aggro does well, midrange decks have surged slightly and control spiked, so the meta will shift to this distribution, meaning we should play THIS deck. Not saying they're not great players, but they have a tangible advantage that keeps them performing well enough to be on a team with those advantages. Kind of a self-sustaining loop it's very hard to break into. That said, I don't really like the idea of turning this GAME into an extension of my job...but it's really the only way to level the playing field since there's no way to prevent team SCG players from accessing SCG TO data.
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Bugsy posted:What is the Jeskai Ascendancy combo? Ascendancy+any creature+Retraction Helix+ any 0-drop artifact. Makes your creatures infinitely large, also lets you loot infinitely. It seems to have potential- you can use Midnight Guard without the Ascendancy as long as your 0-drop is Ornithopter, and Ascendancy will let you loot through to find combo pieces.
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