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namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Again, from Ben Rabidoux:

http://www.torontorealtyblog.com/archives/game-of-thro-wing-your-money-away/10931

quote:

I’ve been saying this since 2008.

There’s no money to be made in flipping pre-construction condos anymore.

The City of Toronto has DOUBLED development charges for condominium builders. Who do you think is going to pay for that? The developers? Or do you think they’re going to pass it on to the buyers?

Some downtown condo projects are charging over $700/sqft in pre-construction, and yet you can buy a resale condo in a one or two-year-old building for $550/sqft.

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namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
http://www.bankofcanada.ca/2014/09/float-of-the-loonie/

Poloz speech on the role of the boc, interest rates, CAD exchange rates. Tldr, boc wants the market to figure out the exchange rate. The boc is only interested in targeting a stable inflation rate through short term interest rates.

:frogsiren: :420: Neo liberal zone :420: :frogsiren:

sbaldrick
Jul 19, 2006
Driven by Hate

Cultural Imperial posted:

Depending on how annoyed I am with work, I'll gently caress with linked in and recruiters and do interviews for fun. I encourage all of you to do it because it's good practice for interviewing for jobs you really want. I went through a series of interviews with Amazon and asked the sperg point blank, why they're setting up shop in Vancouver. The answer I got, and I had to work hard to stifle my laughter, was that they thought there was a lot of untapped talent in Vancouver.

This is one of my favorite things to do as given the budgets I work with and the material companies would love me if I would leave the government. Sadly interviews grind to a halt when I ask for matching vacation. Sadly some companies learn about this after a while and won't do interviews with us unless we have already left the government.

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




sbaldrick posted:

This is one of my favorite things to do as given the budgets I work with and the material companies would love me if I would leave the government. Sadly interviews grind to a halt when I ask for matching vacation. Sadly some companies learn about this after a while and won't do interviews with us unless we have already left the government.

Yeah another reason to consider Europe for people with dual nationality. In the EU, four weeks plus statutory is the minimum required by law, and most people get more.

North America has some pretty weird ideas about vacation. You'd really think that it would be to the company's benefit to have employees happier and more productive albeit at work for a week or two less per year.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Vacations, education, health care, basic human rights, those are all considered luxuries one must earn in our society. Even basic shelter is something reserved for those the market deems worthy.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

Baronjutter posted:

Vacations, education, health care, basic human rights, those are all considered luxuries one must earn in our society. Even basic shelter is something reserved for those the market deems worthy.

That is why renters are subhuman scum.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

God this is infuriating, trying to talk about housing policy with these condo "boosters" or whatever they're called. Apparently all housing price issues are the fault of government and Nimby's restricting demand. Supply and demand. That and over-regulation. If we let developers built 30 story towers in Victoria full of 300 sqft micro units that could sell for under 150k that would solve the problem. The problem being that not everyone can afford a condo. Rentals? Those are useless because you don't build equity. Government and the city need to focus and do more to allow more people to own, specially at the low end. You see housing is the best and biggest investment anyone will ever have, it's how families grow their fortunes from generation to generation. Poor people are poor because they are forced to throw all their money away on rents. If we allowed more micro condos, all these poor renters could buy, and thus built equity, and thus move up the economic ladder. Tiny condos will both solve the housing problem and poverty problem. We should even have subsidies to help very poor people own something, or rent to own. But basically renting is a poverty trap and anyone serious about helping Victoria and the economy should be focusing on making sure everyone can own something and stop renting.

Also condos and houses are great investments because you can always rent them out to idiots who don't understand finances.

Any time I hint that maybe housing isn't the best investment, and maybe renting isn't throwing your money away I'm instantly dismissed as "sky is falling conspiracy theorist" and probably just jealous of owners and owners need idiots like me to pay their mortgages for them.

If anyone wants a good time just read the vibrantvictoria.ca forums. It's not a horrible site, it's basically the only place to get Victoria related construction news and not everyone is horrible, but it slants hard libertarian and drinks buckets of developer marketing coolaid.

sbaldrick
Jul 19, 2006
Driven by Hate

Lead out in cuffs posted:

Yeah another reason to consider Europe for people with dual nationality. In the EU, four weeks plus statutory is the minimum required by law, and most people get more.

North America has some pretty weird ideas about vacation. You'd really think that it would be to the company's benefit to have employees happier and more productive albeit at work for a week or two less per year.

The company that won't interview us anymore has a great vacation policy and won't give us a matching start because it would be unfair to other employees, I've had this conversation with their HR before.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum

Lead out in cuffs posted:

Yeah another reason to consider Europe for people with dual nationality. In the EU, four weeks plus statutory is the minimum required by law, and most people get more.

North America has some pretty weird ideas about vacation. You'd really think that it would be to the company's benefit to have employees happier and more productive albeit at work for a week or two less per year.

It stems from being a continent which was built on the backs of slave labor, and that attitude being prevalent a century later (and indeed is actively ingrained in our culture by the media). We also have yet to rise up and kill off our ruling class a few times in pursuit of equitable treatment for all. :v:

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
http://m.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/td-banks-outgoing-ceo-urges-tighter-canada-lending-rules/article20618548/?service=mobile

quote:

The Canadian government should tighten lending rules further to discourage consumers from taking on too much debt in an environment of low interest rates, the outgoing chief executive of Toronto-Dominion Bank said on Tuesday.


quote:


“It’s just not realistic in a competitive marketplace to say, ‘Why doesn’t one bank lead the way and change the rules?’ It won’t happen. This is a responsibility of the government,” he told Reuters.

“I get why they keep worrying about doing it. But I think you have to just keep touching this brake. As long as you run low interest rates, you then should be continuously leaning against asset bubbles.”




Wasting
Apr 25, 2013

The next to go

It says a lot about the industry that he waited until he was "outgoing" to say this

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

Wasting posted:

It says a lot about the industry that he waited until he was "outgoing" to say this

Nah, it's not the first time clark has said this.

melon cat
Jan 21, 2010

Nap Ghost
.

melon cat fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Mar 16, 2019

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
OK, you need to explain to me how you think an interest rate increase is going to be compelled by harper at the convenience of his election strategy. Not saying you're wrong but I admit to be naive about the boc's independence.

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

This farm's down $36,000 in the last 40 days.

ronpaulitshappening.gif

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

A crash won't happen in Canada because we're too smart and savvy, and we have the best banks in the world. The US is full of stupid entitled poor people and the government forced banks to loan to poor urban types and something something defaults and bankruptcy laws CMHC insurance. Also you people have been saying there's going to be a crash since like 07, it's 2014 and we've seen nothing but growth. And of course housing prices fell in the middle of nowhere texas, we're talking about WORLD CLASS cities like Vancouver. Prices are high because people want to live here from around the world, international demand will stem off any sort of crash. Also developers are smart, why would they keep building if there's going to be a crash?

It's funny it's a bit like climate change. Come winter idiots are all "lol what global warming" except now it's "If our real estate market is hosed then why are there all these construction cranes???". Oh also the biggest real-estate boosters I know are all climate skeptics too.

ocrumsprug
Sep 23, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
e: ^^^ Gettin paid almost $1K a day to not buy their farm, good deal if you can get it.

Cultural Imperial posted:

OK, you need to explain to me how you think an interest rate increase is going to be compelled by harper at the convenience of his election strategy. Not saying you're wrong but I admit to be naive about the boc's independence.

Even in the case where the BOC is a lapdog and set the rate to what the FinMin tells them too, rates will still increase. Unless you have your mortgage on a variable rate, it isn't tied to the BOC rate, but the bond market.

Harper and Co. have no more control over that than Greece, Spain, Portugal or Ireland did.

ocrumsprug fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Sep 16, 2014

melon cat
Jan 21, 2010

Nap Ghost
.

melon cat fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Mar 16, 2019

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

ocrumsprug posted:

e: ^^^ Gettin paid almost $1K a day to not buy their farm, good deal if you can get it.


Even in the case where the BOC is a lapdog and set the rate to what the FinMin tells them too, rates will still increase. Unless you have your mortgage on a variable rate, it isn't tied to the BOC rate, but the bond market.

Harper and Co. have no more control over that than Greece, Spain, Portugal or Ireland did.

Yes but it's the timing that's important here. A cabinet staffer could become a billionaire with that kind of information and the right short positions.

Remember all the trouble rbs got into over libor rates?

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

melon cat posted:

:doh: I meant to make reference to tighter lending guidelines, not interest rates specifically. Fixed my original post.

So, to recap. I know that the federal government will eventually tighten lending guidelines further. But they sure as poo poo won't even approach the topic until after the election in 2015.

It's all good in da hood bruh

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
There's going to be an interest rate increase... About three months after the next election of a majority government.

Doesn't matter who gets elected. It's gonna happen.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

FrozenVent posted:

There's going to be an interest rate increase... About three months after the next election of a majority government.

Doesn't matter who gets elected. It's gonna happen.

So throw us a bone here. How and why?

JawKnee
Mar 24, 2007





You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line
4 years to swallow the pain and fix poo poo before the next election

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Who ever raises the rates will be blamed for the economic collapse, so they'll wait until the collapse is already here THEN raise rates.

tagesschau
Sep 1, 2006

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
THE SPEECH SUPPRESSOR


Remember: it's "antisemitic" to protest genocide as long as the targets are brown.

melon cat posted:

something tells me that a rate increase tighter lending guidelines won't happen until the next Canadian federal election (October 2015), since Harper doesn't want to bring any sort of bad news until he has another term locked down for the Conservatives.

It does seem to me like they've been trying to pull out all the stops in order to push the reckoning beyond October 2015. If the Conservatives win a majority and then the housing market tanks, they've got four years to try to make the electorate forget about it. If the Liberals form the next government, then the value of your house went down and/or you lost your job because of a drama teacher who's in over his head, and the Tories will push that line until the next election. If the Conservatives win a minority, things could get interesting.

Of course, if they see the housing market, Mike Duffy, and Terri-Jean Bedford forming ever darker clouds on the horizon, there's nothing to stop them from pulling the plug next spring if they think their poll numbers are only going to get worse.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
That boc speech made by Poloz today explains in great detail how and when interest rates are manipulated. Poloz is clear, short term rates are used to target inflation.

So what are you guys taking about and when in history has a central bank governor ever changed lending rates at the behest of a finance minister without cratering the economy?

ocrumsprug
Sep 23, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Cultural Imperial posted:

That boc speech made by Poloz today explains in great detail how and when interest rates are manipulated. Poloz is clear, short term rates are used to target inflation.

So what are you guys taking about and when in history has a central bank governor ever changed lending rates at the behest of a finance minister without cratering the economy?

On the scale of conspiracy theories, thinking the government dictates the rate is pretty believable. While I don't find succor thinking anyone is actually driving the train, it would be comforting to know that someone has a plan for a long term low inflation, zero interest rate world.

ocrumsprug fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Sep 17, 2014

Isentropy
Dec 12, 2010

This somewhat-old article in The Chronicle Herald is alleged to have been written by an independent seller, but given they just let the owner of an oil company write editorials criticising the province for banning fracking under her regular column without stating her interests I really doubt it. This has to be a developer. Otherwise we're all hosed.

He basically believes that the Halifax housing market hasn't slowed down due to the simple fact that we have some of the worst wages and taxes in Canada but because of negativity about the housing market. He thinks "free market principles" should be allowed to reign in the housing market... and then calls for a government subsidy for purchasing houses (a writeoff of closing costs). He believes these same free market principles mean that, if there is an oversupply of houses, prices will lower but eventually demand will increase such that all the extra houses will be bought.

sbaldrick
Jul 19, 2006
Driven by Hate

peter banana posted:

This farm's down $36,000 in the last 40 days.

ronpaulitshappening.gif

Its only 51 aches, not really big enough to work. Its more of someone's summer estate.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

From the article:

quote:

Another problem that creates unease about the housing market is national media reports about the “overvalued Canadian housing market.” These same stories then talk entirely about Toronto, Vancouver and sometimes Calgary. Why do these articles choose to ignore important markets including Halifax, Fredericton, Quebec City, etc.?

:lol:


quote:

The real estate market is like a series of falling dominoes. Each time a house or condo is sold, it causes a domino effect because the seller now becomes a buyer of the next house and so on. To help get the market started, it will be important for provincial government efforts be focused on incentives that are fiscally neutral and targeted at helping first-time home buyers purchase affordable homes in a financially responsible manner. One idea: to allow a tax write-off of closing costs (in the same way Ottawa allows the write-off of moving costs).

The second would be to allow first-time home buyers of existing properties to write off a portion of their interest costs of their primary residence against their provincial income taxes (a sliding scale based on the price of home vs. income). The existing properties clause might irritate some builders, but home builders tend to cater to second- and third-time home buyers.

This market needs buyers for good properties at amazing prices who believe that the price of housing is not going to crash around them. Halifax is a good, solid city that will always be one of the most awesome places in Canada in which to live and to own a home.


Holy loving poo poo what the gently caress in gently caress

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender
Was just wandering around Kensington Market/Chinatown in Toronto today...

Grand Theft Autobot
Feb 28, 2008

I'm something of a fucking idiot myself

Isentropy posted:

This somewhat-old article in The Chronicle Herald is alleged to have been written by an independent seller, but given they just let the owner of an oil company write editorials criticising the province for banning fracking under her regular column without stating her interests I really doubt it. This has to be a developer. Otherwise we're all hosed.

He basically believes that the Halifax housing market hasn't slowed down due to the simple fact that we have some of the worst wages and taxes in Canada but because of negativity about the housing market. He thinks "free market principles" should be allowed to reign in the housing market... and then calls for a government subsidy for purchasing houses (a writeoff of closing costs). He believes these same free market principles mean that, if there is an oversupply of houses, prices will lower but eventually demand will increase such that all the extra houses will be bought.

It would probably be awesome if the government got out of mortgages entirely.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
http://blogs.theprovince.com/2014/09/15/editorial-politicians-shouldnt-meddle-with-the-housing-market/

quote:

Meena Wong, the mayoral candidate for Vancouver’s leftist Coalition of Progressive Electors, has virtually zero chance of becoming the city’s next mayor and it’s just as well, given her and her party’s naive, discredited and destructive economic views.

Claiming that it will somehow address the city’s infamous housing affordability woes, Wong wishes to impose an extra tax on property owners who do not occupy their homes full-time — a clear shot at foreign investors. “If you enjoy our city so much, do your duty — contribute,” Wong told the Globe and Mail. She fails to note the obvious: people who own property but live elsewhere do contribute by paying property taxes while making few demands on city services. It’s also unclear who would determine if someone lived in their home full-time, a private matter that isn’t city hall’s business.

Wong is not alone in unfairly blaming foreign investors for Vancouver’s high housing prices. The reality is that real estate is a commodity whose price is set in a free market, appropriately, through the forces of supply and demand. No one has a “right” to own a house in a particular city or neighbourhood, and it’s about time that people like Wong and her COPE and NDP pals stopped promoting such notions, especially when it involves taking money from one group and giving it to another. You want a house? Work hard and buy one — or move somewhere cheaper.

Let's free it up even more by eliminating the CMHC.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-16/chinese-developer-buys-first-canadian-condo-tower-amid-boom.html

quote:


Greenland Holding Group Co., a Shanghai-based developer owned by the Chinese government, said it bought King Blue, a two-tower condominium project in Toronto, its first purchase in Canada.

Greenland Holding bought the planned development, which includes 44 and 48-story towers, from closely held Easton’s Group of Hotels Inc. and The Remington Group Inc. for at least C$100 million ($91 million), according to Easton’s Chief Executive Officer Steve Gupta.

Immigration is a main factor driving demand, Gupta, the India-born founder of Toronto-based Easton’s, said by phone today.

Greenland Holding, which has invested in London’s Canary Wharf and New York’s Pacific Park, said it bought the site as an entry-point to Canada’s housing market where existing home sales reached a four-year high in August. Average Toronto condominium prices rose 5.5 percent to C$367,010 in the second quarter over a year ago and sales advanced 10 percent.

“We believe this city will continue to grow and thrive creating other investment opportunities for Greenland Group (Canada) in the Greater Toronto Area and beyond,” Greenland Holding Chairman Yuliang Zhang said in the statement.

The King Blue project, which includes a former Westinghouse factory built in 1927, is located on King Street West, amid newly-opened bars and the TIFF Bell Lightbox Theatre which hosts the annual film festival. The 44-storey tower is 85 percent sold, according to Gupta. The second tower, hasn’t been pre-leased yet.


At this point I think it's safe to say the chinese are unequivocally the dumbest global investors in the world.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
Not necessarily...

Since Greenland Holdings is owned by the CPC, this could conceivably be a very elaborate sting operation to roll some heads back home for offshoring cash, assuming the development is high priced enough to attract the chinese money laundering clientele. Probably just wishful thinking on my part and they actually are that stupid, though.

Geoid
Oct 18, 2005
Just Add Water
Stupidity is more often the cause than malice.

blah_blah
Apr 15, 2006

Isentropy posted:

This somewhat-old article in The Chronicle Herald is alleged to have been written by an independent seller, but given they just let the owner of an oil company write editorials criticising the province for banning fracking under her regular column without stating her interests I really doubt it. This has to be a developer. Otherwise we're all hosed.

He basically believes that the Halifax housing market hasn't slowed down due to the simple fact that we have some of the worst wages and taxes in Canada but because of negativity about the housing market. He thinks "free market principles" should be allowed to reign in the housing market... and then calls for a government subsidy for purchasing houses (a writeoff of closing costs). He believes these same free market principles mean that, if there is an oversupply of houses, prices will lower but eventually demand will increase such that all the extra houses will be bought.

quote:

Another problem that creates unease about the housing market is national media reports about the “overvalued Canadian housing market.” These same stories then talk entirely about Toronto, Vancouver and sometimes Calgary. Why do these articles choose to ignore important markets including Halifax, Fredericton, Quebec City, etc.?

I still maintain that however screwed Toronto and Vancouver are, smaller markets (like the distant suburbs surrounding Toronto and Vancouver, and places like Halifax and Fredericton) will take it even harder.

Mola Yam
Jun 18, 2004

Kali Ma Shakti de!
Hi again Canada, something else from Australia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4Kbw2HuSLU

Buy now or be locked out forever! Destroy your peers and prove your worth in the bidding war arena! Our mortgage experts can help you bid with confidence leverage up to your eyeballs!

Also I'm trying to find the table that summarises this, but basically all of our big banks are hilariously over-exposed to residential mortgages, and Westpac is the worst of the lot.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

Mola Yam posted:

Hi again Canada, something else from Australia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4Kbw2HuSLU

Buy now or be locked out forever! Destroy your peers and prove your worth in the bidding war arena! Our mortgage experts can help you bid with confidence leverage up to your eyeballs!

Also I'm trying to find the table that summarises this, but basically all of our big banks are hilariously over-exposed to residential mortgages, and Westpac is the worst of the lot.

Haha that's one of the dumbest commercials that I've ever seen.

"Who is willing to pay more?", aka "Who is willing to bury themselves the deepest in sand?", the Game!

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namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

Mola Yam posted:

Hi again Canada, something else from Australia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4Kbw2HuSLU

Buy now or be locked out forever! Destroy your peers and prove your worth in the bidding war arena! Our mortgage experts can help you bid with confidence leverage up to your eyeballs!

Also I'm trying to find the table that summarises this, but basically all of our big banks are hilariously over-exposed to residential mortgages, and Westpac is the worst of the lot.

Jesus Christ

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