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Republicans are Daleks and Democrats are the Ood, clearly.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 05:17 |
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Y'all do realize wind, solar, geothermal, and hydroelectric power all exist, right? Nuclear isn't the Great Satan that the Greens portray it as, but it's not like it's all we have other than fossil fuels. e: use geothermal to power the PNW, subsidize home solar panels heavily, put hydroelectric turbines in every major body of running water, build a shitload of wind farms everywhere. How is this infeasible other than cost? SALT CURES HAM fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Sep 17, 2014 |
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 05:17 |
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Are you being serious?
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 05:29 |
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SALT CURES HAM posted:Y'all do realize wind, solar, geothermal, and hydroelectric power all exist, right? Nuclear isn't the Great Satan that the Greens portray it as, but it's not like it's all we have other than fossil fuels. It actually is all we have other than fossil fuels for baseload power, until we can build truly massive energy storage facilities across the country to buffer renewable sources. It's unfeasible since there isn't that much geothermal, subsidizing solar panels doesn't make them work at night or in cloudy weather, nearly all good hydro locations are either already tapped or tapping them would destroy ecosystems (ps our existing hydro facilities also did that but we mostly made them before that was a concern), wind doesn't blow all the time, and you still need truly massive amounts of energy storage in order to smooth out all the varying power inputs to have a grid that works. There is absolutely nothing wrong with using nuclear so why the slavish insistence to use other things that are a ton less practical and to some extent theoretical? I'm not kidding here, being able to effectively store 2 or 3 days of the nation's entire electricity demand, which is what you'd need for a mostly renewable system, would rely on brand new developments in storage to work.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 05:30 |
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SALT CURES HAM posted:Y'all do realize wind, solar, geothermal, and hydroelectric power all exist, right? Nuclear isn't the Great Satan that the Greens portray it as, but it's not like it's all we have other than fossil fuels. Hydroelectric isn't good either, though. If you really wanna gently caress up an ecosystem, you put in a dam. You stop sediment movement, spawning locations disappear with the sediment, beaches start eroding at the mouth of the stream because they're no longer carrying sand... Damming water flow has huge chain reactions on the environment.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 05:31 |
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SALT CURES HAM posted:Y'all do realize wind, solar, geothermal, and hydroelectric power all exist, right? Nuclear isn't the Great Satan that the Greens portray it as, but it's not like it's all we have other than fossil fuels. Cost and quantity of materials, time necessary to build new generating capacity, availability of prime generation area... we've already put hydro plants pretty much everywhere it's worthwhile to do so, for one thing, and we basically can't build new wind and solar and geothermal and what have you quickly enough to make a difference without also building more nuclear plants. The question of preventing catastrophic climate change, of course, is increasingly academic, but if you favor a serious policy shift to address the impact we're having on the environment and you do not favor nuclear power as one part of the solution then you contradict yourself.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 05:45 |
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The Rokstar posted:Republicans are Daleks and Democrats are the Ood, clearly. So Democrats are the tools of Satan? I don't think you thought this through.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 05:48 |
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The Rokstar posted:Republicans are Daleks and Democrats are the Ood, clearly. Man even the ood are too cool to be an analogy for the democrats.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 05:56 |
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ProperGanderPusher posted:There's a great number of people who think "MUH GUT tells me this guy is guilty and all this high falutin' lawyering is just getting in the way of what everyone knows has to be done!" American conservatism is all about diving the world into two groups; people like me, who can do no wrong, and people not like me, who are all despicable filth. They don't give a poo poo about justice. People not like me should be punished for being not like me. If they're not like me it's proof that they did something wrong in a past life/their ancestors were guilty of something and God is punishing them.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 06:01 |
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SALT CURES HAM posted:Y'all do realize wind, solar, geothermal, and hydroelectric power all exist, right? Nuclear isn't the Great Satan that the Greens portray it as, but it's not like it's all we have other than fossil fuels. The real question is why do any of that when we can just build some nuclear plants for a fraction of the cost and ecological damage?
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 06:26 |
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GROVER CURES HOUSE posted:The real question is why do any of that when we can just build some nuclear plants for a fraction of the cost and ecological damage? Because you get reactionary media shouting "Three mile island/Chernobyl/Fukushima" and then there is a public panic, and every congressman is suddenly worried about his seat because some challenger is running based on a sole NIMBY platform. Nuclear is the devil in the media that it isn't in real life.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 08:16 |
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GROVER CURES HOUSE posted:The real question is why do any of that when we can just build some nuclear plants for a fraction of the cost and ecological damage? A nuclear thing blew up some cities near the end of WWII and we've been hearing how nuclear things are threatening our mere existence so obviously all nuclear things are awful as indicated by those nuclear power plants that blew up but let's completely forget that that's less than 1% of all the plants that have ever been built and new designs are just flat out stupidly safe. There's also nonstop screeching about how nuclear power produced RADIOACTIVE WASTE which will TOTALLY GIVE YOU CANCER!!!! OH MY GOD!!! IT'S HORRIBLE GLOWING TERROR poo poo THAT WILL GIVE THE WHOLE WORLD CANCER! DO YOU WANT CANCER? While, again, totally ignoring that nuclear power produces a pretty tiny amount of waste which is really, really easy to deal with, especially when you compare it to all the bullshit that, say coal power constantly vomits. Like, you know, lead, mercury, and a gently caress ton of carcinogens. But, of course, the common view is "well it's just a little smoke, who cares?"
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 08:25 |
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I love the idea that Rush thinks "no means yes" but then rants about all these loose sluts running around crying for their birth control.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 12:47 |
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SALT CURES HAM posted:Y'all do realize wind, solar, geothermal, and hydroelectric power all exist, right? Nuclear isn't the Great Satan that the Greens portray it as, but it's not like it's all we have other than fossil fuels. Those are great and everyone else has already hit upon the resources required to build those. However putting those everywhere will gently caress up ecosystems as well so its not really as environmentally friendly as it looks.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 14:12 |
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BiggerBoat posted:I love the idea that Rush thinks "no means yes" but then rants about all these loose sluts running around crying for their birth control. I kind of wonder if he's bitter about having no children and the fact that his wives don't seem to like him enough to stick around for all that long. It seems to me like his belief is that women have some sort of duty to gently caress men and satisfy their desires, up to and including bearing their children. Really, once he dies his special combination of grotesque obesity and grotesque opinions will be no more.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 14:14 |
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Ironically, nuclear power is the one area in which a) environmentalists won and b) the capitalist mantra that "scientific innovation will handle all your concerns" proved correct for once.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 14:43 |
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Hodgepodge posted:Ironically, nuclear power is the one area in which a) environmentalists won and b) the capitalist mantra that "scientific innovation will handle all your concerns" proved correct for once. Until they started building inferior designs and cutting corners (like the Florida power plants that had cracked concrete, which Florida Power and Light made worse while trying to patch, while charging customers extra money for non-existent plants). Trust investors to gently caress everything up.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 14:46 |
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Hodgepodge posted:Ironically, nuclear power is the one area in which a) environmentalists won In the sense that the field's been stagnant since forever and a lot of reactors are dilapidated, less-than-safe models due to lack of funding?
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 15:02 |
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Uh, I just saw a video autoplay on Fox News of Obama's half brother on Hannity? Anyone know anything about this?
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 15:10 |
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Phone posted:Uh, I just saw a video autoplay on Fox News of Obama's half brother on Hannity? Anyone know anything about this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Barack_Obama quote:Malik Obama quote:Abo Obama quote:Bernard Obama quote:Mark Okoth Obama Ndesandjo quote:David Ndesandjo (c. 1967 – c. 1987) quote:George Hussein Onyango Obama
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 15:14 |
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It was Mark Obama Ndesandjo. God, Hannity is such a slimey shithead.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 15:20 |
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Just a quick reminder that Sean Hannity definitely reads at least some of the random poo poo that gets sent to him on Twitter, so to be safe everyone should always be sending him taunting, mean messages.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 16:51 |
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He really is a squinty motherfucker, isn't he?
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 17:05 |
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GROVER CURES HOUSE posted:In the sense that the field's been stagnant since forever and a lot of reactors are dilapidated, less-than-safe models due to lack of funding? Yeah I wouldn't say environmentalists won unless you consider it a pyrrhic victory. Although I wouldnt put the blame solely on environment lobbyists. Chernobyl and Three Mile really shook confidence in nuclear power, even though nothing bad happened at Three Mile and all the safeguards worked as design and Chernobyl well that was Soviet incompetence. One of the big problem with nuke power is the upfront cost of building new reactors which then take awhile to pay for themselves.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 17:56 |
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Darkman Fanpage posted:Yeah I wouldn't say environmentalists won unless you consider it a pyrrhic victory. Although I wouldnt put the blame solely on environment lobbyists. Chernobyl and Three Mile really shook confidence in nuclear power, even though nothing bad happened at Three Mile and all the safeguards worked as design and Chernobyl well that was Soviet incompetence. One of the big problem with nuke power is the upfront cost of building new reactors which then take awhile to pay for themselves. That can't be good for this quarter's profits.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 18:12 |
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Ray and Shirley posted:
Son of Jay Leno
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 18:15 |
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Is there a resource for decoding RW code terms? I'm seeing a few in the comments of that police ambush: NOG WAOOC GRKZQO I googled the last term with no hits, but didn't want a lot of probably white power poo poo in my browsing history.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 18:26 |
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Umm.... Not Our Guys? That last one is weird. White American Only Oligarchs Club D1Sergo fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Sep 17, 2014 |
# ? Sep 17, 2014 18:36 |
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moths posted:Is there a resource for decoding RW code terms? I'm seeing a few in the comments of that police ambush: No clue what the last one is but I'll put money on Z being Zionist! Maybe Q for Queer.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 19:17 |
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Gorillas R King Zoo Queens Oooooooooh!
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 19:22 |
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moths posted:Is there a resource for decoding RW code terms? I'm seeing a few in the comments of that police ambush: I've seen WAOOC used as the strangest minced oath. Something rear end Out Of Control. To the surprise of no one, it's a white supremacist thing.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 19:29 |
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moths posted:Is there a resource for decoding RW code terms? I'm seeing a few in the comments of that police ambush: So I was googling "Nog" and ran across the Urban Dictionary definition that seemed to indicate that Nog = the n word, which I've seen enough today so I'm not typing it out. Deal with it.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 19:35 |
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ZOG means Zionist Occupation Government in crazy racist lingo, so I'm going to assume NOG is a modified version of that. The N probably stands for the obvious slur.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 21:11 |
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Haven't seen this posted yet, but apparently the Right has a new "race guru" LinkThe Race Guru posted:The recent killing of an unarmed black teenager by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, sparked a national discussion about racism in America today, but the Wall Street Journal’s Jason Riley says the country is having the wrong conversation. Emphasis mine, and holy poo poo. But t's ok guys, it's a black guy saying it so it's not racist. ninja edit: this new font is killing my eyes
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 21:12 |
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White republicans have been saying this for decades and none of them were ever called gurus.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 21:16 |
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Hodgepodge posted:Ironically, nuclear power is the one area in which a) environmentalists won and b) the capitalist mantra that "scientific innovation will handle all your concerns" proved correct for once. a) Scientific innovation will handle all your concerns b) We will then proceed to gently caress everything up for profit anyway Capitalism!
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 21:44 |
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Bearing in mind that despite capitalist fuckups, still less than 2 deaths over the entire history of commercial nuclear power operated by private companies.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 22:04 |
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ponzicar posted:The N probably stands for the obvious slur. Neocon? quote:The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion: We tortured some folks > Right Wing Media - It’s not that hard to avoid getting shot by a cop. I've heard this somewhere before but I can't quite put my finger on it. Something about papers. I forget. Yeah, this is pretty sickening and gently caress this guy. Just comply and surrender your 4th amendment rights, kiss their rear end, suck their dick and let them search you for no reason and you're fine. What's the problem? Sounds like a free society to me. What he says (be polite, have nothing to hide) doesn't always work either. I don't want to turn this into an "Ask Me About rear end in a top hat Cops" thread but I got stopped twice within a half hour once for the egregious crime of driving a rental car west to east. I was searched twice. The first time, the cop pulled me over for having "ice on my headlights", drug all my poo poo of the car, wrote me up for it, then allowed me the privilege of putting it all back. The second cop followed me for about five miles until I finally pulled myself over, asked him what the problem was, showed him my half hour old citation, informed him that the previous cop had already searched the car and yet he made me go through the whole thing all over again. I used to work the night shift in a print shop that was in a bad part of town and I got pulled over numerous times just going to get my dinner simply because I was driving while white in a bad neighborhood. Once, while parking and re-entering the building, I offered to show the cop my loving time card and introduce him to my co-workers and he actually made me do it. I was lilly white, clean and driving a loving Ford Escort wagon. I can only imagine what it must be like for black people.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 22:11 |
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Energy production from irregular sources like wind and solar (to name just two) would benefit immensely from a viable storage solution. We need to be able to store huge amounts of potential energy, much more than the normal battery tech could provide, to release onto the grid during the hours when those irregular sources are not producing energy. The solution to this problem, from what I've been reading for at least two years now, is large scale chemical-battery storage. The technology isn't ready, but it's probably not being prioritized either; because it's so easy to just crank up the natural gas/coal plants instead of pioneering storage capability that would keep those plants shut down and stop feeding the fossil fuel behemoth. I have been extremely alarmed by the accumulation of mercury in our freshwater lakes. Mercury is so persistent and difficult to remove. It's just pouring out of our smokestacks and making its way directly into our fresh water. Large-scale chemical battery storage is a technology that I think we could really benefit from if we just got serious about it. One big breakthrough, one good investment (who the gently caress am I kidding, we can't even keep our roads and bridges in good repair), and we could eventually rely solely on renewables and stop burning every lb. of fossil fuel we can find. I admit I am no scientist, but I sincerely doubt this is a problem we can't solve. I think it's much more likely that we aren't solving it for other reasons.
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 22:24 |
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Hydroelectric batteries are 70-90% efficient: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-storage_hydroelectricity
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# ? Sep 17, 2014 22:28 |