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The Lord Bude posted:You should read the Auspol thread in D&D sometime I have an Australian friend who's living on the dole because he has a legitimate mental illness, and under the current regime, not only do they force him to look for work, but they require proof of it, or else they'll cancel his benefits. Plus, it seems now that it's nearly impossible to prove anything but physical disability to apply for benefits all over again. So, either way, he's hosed. Oh, right, and he's already so strapped for cash, all he can afford for internet is Dodo, which I've heard is poo poo tier. On the plus side, he stands a chance in the Australian demoscene, even if they don't pay him. Back on topic, I may be interested in what is that, a 970? But only if I can make it work with a Hackintosh.
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Twerk from Home posted:If you're after performance / $, AMD has got that market locked up right now. The 280X, which performs very closely to a GTX770 is in the $240 range all day long. Hopefully this Maxwell launch will bring things back in line, I don't think AMD even has to make anything much cheaper to keep it competitive. I've had bad experience with their drivers in the past, so I'm hesitant to purchase anything from them.
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everythingWasBees posted:I've had bad experience with their drivers in the past, so I'm hesitant to purchase anything from them. One time I tried to play Rage with my AMD card, and that was the first time I actually cared about the brand of my GPU.
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everythingWasBees posted:I've had bad experience with their drivers in the past, so I'm hesitant to purchase anything from them. Don't let this dissuade you. They haven't really had "poo poo" drivers in a long time, and the current batch are really quite solid. Rage was, what, 2011?
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everythingWasBees posted:I've had bad experience with their drivers in the past, so I'm hesitant to purchase anything from them. This is a bad reason to swear off an entire brand, but probably why nVidia can get away with selling the GTX 770 for $80 more than the Radeon 280X.
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DrDork posted:Don't let this dissuade you. They haven't really had "poo poo" drivers in a long time, and the current batch are really quite solid. I'll give them more thought, then. That being said, if the listed specs for the 970 are true, would AMD cards still have a clear advantage in terms of price for performance? Because if it's at all comparable to a 780 Ti, that seems like a fantastic value. everythingWasBees fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Sep 18, 2014 |
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Depends on where you are and how comfortable you are with used cards. If you're in the US, you can still get lifetime-warranty 290X's for <$400, which even with the new NVidia price-points and expected drops in the 7xx cards, will be impossible to even get close to. I'll be interested to see how the 970/980 performances actually stack up. I think we'll find that the 970 sits somewhere around the 780 level, which will make it a pretty good deal if it is $350, vice the $400 for a 780 right now--still maybe not a "better" deal than the comparable AMD cards, but certainly a whole lot closer than they've been. I doubt that the 970 will top the 780 Ti, though. With it's $550-$600 price right now, I'd look more for the 980 to be the comparable card. Remember, the 9xx series is looking to be a lot more about power efficiency than outright speed, so I doubt we'll see any that really blow the 780 Ti out of the water for a bit. Really, if you're price-conscious, just get a used 290X.
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DrDork posted:Depends on where you are and how comfortable you are with used cards. If you're in the US, you can still get lifetime-warranty 290X's for <$400, which even with the new NVidia price-points and expected drops in the 7xx cards, will be impossible to even get close to. What's the likelihood a 970 will be comparable to a 290/780 at 1440p?
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Senjuro posted:It is normal for new cards to have such a small window between official announcement and release? Wouldn't they want to give people some time to plan ahead for what is usually a pretty big expenditure? Announcing ahead of time will just hurt sales of the present product so it's not really in their interest. The retailers would especially be pissed, since they're probably going to have to discount the last gen too. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_Effect
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DrDork posted:Rage was, what, 2011? Comments here seem pretty bizarre to me. I've used AMD hardware for years since I buy purely on bang vs buck and have had few issues with single card stability and performance. CF stability and performance has improved heaps over where it was a few years ago but still has issues that take months to fix if ever. And I'm hardly what I'd consider lucky. My ASUS mobo died recently and I've hard drives fail left and right over the years. Reliability wise I've had 2 AMD cards die since...2010 or 11'? I flogged the hell out of them doing number crunching for years on end. Both got warrantied without issue.
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:Reliability wise I've had 2 AMD cards die since...2010 or 11'? I flogged the hell out of them doing number crunching for years on end. Both got warrantied without issue. Hence why I didn't think twice when I found I could get a 290/290X for like $300-$350.
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Holy crap guys, I got black out drunk the other night and apparently bid on an Ebay auction for a second 7850. It's the MSI Twin Frozer OC version, and I "won" it for 91 with free shipping. I already have a HIS 7850, so I must have been thinking "Hey, big performance boost, less than 100 dollars! lol" His auction came with an AMD Never Settle Gold edition bundle, too, with 3 games. So, not the worst drunk decision, BUT... Best I can tell, two 7850's in crossfire (provided they're 2GB versions), perform near or better than a 7970ghz edition. It's hard to find many benches of it, but that seems to be where it is. At least, at 1920x1200. I'm sure the 3GB memory and greater memory bandwidth would help the 7970/280x at higher resolutions, but I'm fine with 1080p, I've got a big 24" 1080p monitor that I'm totally ok with. It seems like I would have been smarter to sell my 7850 for hopefully 100, and then ponied up 150 to get a 285. New tech, etc. No crossfire hassles. I sent the guy a message saying I bid in error and that I'd appreciate it if he'd cancel the transaction, but I may end up with 7850 crossfire if he says no. Any ideas about how well that would fair for future games? I'm hoping to run Unreal Tournament 4 when it drops, I'm really excited (I've always loved unreal shooters). Mad_Lion fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Sep 18, 2014 |
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Sep 18, 2014 07:44
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Mad_Lion posted:Holy crap guys, I got black out drunk the other night and apparently bid on an Ebay auction for a second 7850. It's the MSI Twin Frozer OC version, and I "won" it for 91 with free shipping. I already have a HIS 7850, so I must have been thinking "Hey, big performance boost, less than 100 dollars! lol" His auction came with an AMD Never Settle Gold edition bundle, too, with 3 games. So, not the worst drunk decision, BUT... Crossfire prior to the current generation cards was woeful - huge frame latency issues. Even now you'll have a ton of release day glitches. If you end up with two cards and feel like an upgrade I'd try to sell both of them.
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Mad_Lion posted:Holy crap guys, I got black out drunk the other night and apparently bid on an Ebay auction Drinking and ebay is a black hole for money.
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I got twice the video card for 91 shipped. It won't double my performance, but it's sort of hardcore test of whether crossfire works. Supposedly, it works for DX11. DX10 or less, be disppointed.
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I don't like Crossfire because it isn't a reliable performance gain. So many factors go into it (RAM size, card bandwidth, game compatibility, drivers, glitches, frame latency, additional heat and power consumption). When I used to use Crossfire (with dual 5770s), the performance was great if it worked, but drivers tended to be one step forward, two steps backward. This was about 3 years ago so hopefully the driver issue improved. There is a surprising number of games without any Crossfire support, and when that happens your 2nd card just sits there unable to do anything. It also doesn't work in windowed mode (must use Fullscreen).
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The Lord Bude posted:Crossfire prior to the current generation cards was woeful - huge frame latency issues. Even now you'll have a ton of release day glitches. If you end up with two cards and feel like an upgrade I'd try to sell both of them. Sure, you'd never aim for an SLI setup, but I think it is a great way to prolong the life of an older system if you are on a budget. I bought myself an extra year or two with like fifty bucks.
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eli4672 posted:This has not been my experience. I successfully prolonged the life of my pinnacle-of-2008/9-technology computer with a second GTX275. When I first added it, I checked the performance difference with a bunch of then-current games and found a pretty consistent 50% to 80% boost. Some games just don't benefit at all, but most seem to benefit substantially. You'll note that I said CROSSFIRE, which refers specifically to dual AMD cards, not SLI, which refers to dual Nvidia cards. SLI works far better than crossfire, having done both.
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I rocked sli with bloody Fermi cards of all things, and ignoring noise, it was smooth sailing. I can't remember having a single game not support sli, except for like Minecraft or other stuff where it doesn't matter, so I don't know where that complaint stems  .Nvidia even has options in control panel to force "alternate frame rendering sli mode" in unsupported games (which I never needed to use), which basically makes the cards take turns making frames one after the other for a performance boost.
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eli4672 posted:This has not been my experience. I successfully prolonged the life of my pinnacle-of-2008/9-technology computer with a second GTX275. When I first added it, I checked the performance difference with a bunch of then-current games and found a pretty consistent 50% to 80% boost. Some games just don't benefit at all, but most seem to benefit substantially. Raw fps isn't everything though, sli/crossfire vs a single 50% faster GPU is more often than not is like day and night. It's gotten a ton better with Kepler and GCN1.1 (Hawaii crossfire ironically ties or outperforms sli on frame times) but the difference is still noticable and grows larger at lower fps.
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Arzachel posted:Raw fps isn't everything though, sli/crossfire vs a single 50% faster GPU is more often than not is like day and night. It's gotten a ton better with Kepler and GCN1.1 (Hawaii crossfire ironically ties or outperforms sli on frame times) but the difference is still noticable and grows larger at lower fps. I have such a hard time not talking about dual gpus but I don't think r9 cards have actually surpassed similar sli setups. The problem has just been minor enough to be unnoticeable, however you can still see the core issue still exists  Red line is fat, frame pacing trying to break out and piss you off but its so minor its supposed to be irrelevant  Looks worse, isn't, but imagine those big spikes all of the place and that's what crossfire used to be.  Same This is a good comparison too, most of the time 780ti's are used which are/were significantly more expensive. Once you get into 4k, 780tis are needed to be comparable for raw fps but the frame time situation is the same. (these graphs are 1440p) Despite that I agree in general, although perhaps less on the % you give. If a single card performs like ~~~~75% of an SLI setup or (new) crossfire, single card is more pleasant. Subject to change with every generation though. If for instance I was hitting a vram bottleneck with 770 SLI where a 780ti played better when pushed, perhaps 4gb SLI 970's won't have that particular issue.
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1gnoirents posted:If for instance I was hitting a vram bottleneck with 770 SLI where a 780ti played better when pushed, perhaps 4gb SLI 970's won't have that particular issue. On paper, it looks like the 970 / 980 will be worse than the 780 series at high resolutions just because of the lesser memory bandwidth. As ATI proved with the r9-285, memory compression exists and can overcome narrow buses. We will see.
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Twerk from Home posted:On paper, it looks like the 970 / 980 will be worse than the 780 series at high resolutions just because of the lesser memory bandwidth. As ATI proved with the r9-285, memory compression exists and can overcome narrow buses. We will see. Yeah. Maybe someone here knows, but is it even possible to have more than a 256 bit bus with 8 physical memory chips? That always seems to be an issue when thinking about memory.
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1gnoirents posted:Yeah. Maybe someone here knows, but is it even possible to have more than a 256 bit bus with 8 physical memory chips? That always seems to be an issue when thinking about memory. Yeah, you could do a 512-bit bus. 
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1gnoirents posted:I have such a hard time not talking about dual gpus but I don't think r9 cards have actually surpassed similar sli setups. The problem has just been minor enough to be unnoticeable, however you can still see the core issue still exists Yeah, you're right. Guess the benchmarks I remember were for single card setups. 1gnoirents posted:Yeah. Maybe someone here knows, but is it even possible to have more than a 256 bit bus with 8 physical memory chips? That always seems to be an issue when thinking about memory. Clamshell mode? Arzachel fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Sep 18, 2014 |
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1gnoirents posted:I have such a hard time not talking about dual gpus but I don't think r9 cards have actually surpassed similar sli setups. The problem has just been minor enough to be unnoticeable, however you can still see the core issue still exists Keep in mind those tests are with the driver that did not have all the frame pacing changes in it yet. I am not sure how 14.1+ test regarding XF frame pacing.
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You can check Titan-Z or R9 296X2 reviews for newer comparisons. AMD's newer cards perform nicely, and I am sure their non-XDMA cards also do well. However, they are still not as good NVIDIA cards on this front. The 295X2 performs admirably compared to the Titan-Z, but is a weaker card and AMD's frame pacing is not as good as NVIDIA's all of which contributes to frame latency. Of course, SLI also have the benefit of working with DX9/10.x games which, to my knowledge, CrossFire XDMA's Frame Pacing does not. Arzachel probably got the idea that CrossFire performs better than SLI from HardOCP who often states that CF feels smoother than SLI in their subjective observations.
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Anyone happen to know which AMD manufacturers offer a transferable warranty these days and have good customer service? I am thinking about buying a card off ebay, but know many Radeon cards have been through a lot of abuse for coin-mining 24/7 until it was no longer profitable. I'd rather get a card with a warranty that stays with the card and not the original purchaser.
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Meta Ridley posted:Anyone happen to know which AMD manufacturers offer a transferable warranty these days and have good customer service? I've heard that Sapphire is the way to go for AMD cards, with MSI following close behind; Conversely, I'd avoid Powercolor.
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Ghostpilot posted:I've heard that Sapphire is the way to go for AMD cards, with MSI following close behind; Conversely, I'd avoid Powercolor. You want to avoid Sapphire. Their warranty service is non-transferrable and slow as dogshit.
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Meta Ridley posted:Anyone happen to know which AMD manufacturers offer a transferable warranty these days and have good customer service? I post this every two loving pages or so, but Gigabyte, MSI, and Asus are the three AMD card makers which check warranties off of serial number. I just had Gigabyte RMA an old eBay mining R9 290 of mine with a pristine replacement, two-week turnaround. They are all still a stupid-good value if you troll the eBay listings. I'm currently running two crossfired MSI R9 290x, because I got both on eBay Buy-It-Now for $540 shipped so why the gently caress not? Edit: Here you go, MSI 280x for $150 shipped each, the caveat is the guy says one/both of the fans don't spin. Just mineral oil the fans and if that doesn't work RMA it: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Video-Card-MSI-Radeon-R9-280x-TWIN-FROZR-GAMING-Crossfire-Lit-Coin-Mining-/191332755386 Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Sep 18, 2014 |
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Would it be better to use a dual link DVI or Displayport if the card makes both available.
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JG_Plissken posted:Would it be better to use a dual link DVI or Displayport if the card makes both available. Use displayport whenever you can.
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http://wccftech.com/nvidia-maxwell-...-faster-r9-290/ 
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Edit: Beaten by seconds. I know it's videocardz.com but here are some leaked 900 series slides with benchmarks. http://videocardz.com/52552/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-and-gtx-970-press-slides-pictures-charts
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If those number are in line, I'd expect the 970 @ $399 and the 980 @ $549 or so. I see an R9-290 on Newegg for $340 right now, so AMD may not have to adjust at all.
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Twerk from Home posted:If those number are in line, I'd expect the 970 @ $399 and the 980 @ $549 or so. I see an R9-290 on Newegg for $340 right now, so AMD may not have to adjust at all. It said in the wccftech article that the 970 would be $329 and 980 $549
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ClassH posted:It said in the wccftech article that the 970 would be $329 and 980 $549 Now if that's true and the performance specs accurate as well, the 970 is a knockout deal.
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Twerk from Home posted:Now if that's true and the performance specs accurate as well, the 970 is a knockout deal. No idea on the validity but I sure hope it is.
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