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ThermoPhysical posted:Just...I really wish the guys who did this show did the movie. Hell, the CGI turtles didn't even bother me for the movie...I just wish there were more in the drat thing. Also that the writing was better. The script was never that great but it got totally hosed in the rear end by **issues** and they had to scramble to get the resulting mess to look like it made any sense at all. Long story short: back in 2012 Paramount greenlit the project with a budget of $100 million and a 2013 Xmas release date but it ran wayyyy over time and was going to end up costing $150m to complete. The studio naturally freaked the gently caress out so they closed down production for 10 weeks and brought in a new writer and said "Here's the footage we have in the can, we can't afford any more effects shots so figure out a way to connect it all together and turn it into a film without costing any money" and the new writer went "Uhhhh, April has lots and lots of scenes and we don't even show the Turtles for the first half of the film??" and they went "Fine, whatever, just shoot that and get it done because we're sick of this bullshit." The end product was all over the place. They left in a bunch of stuff from the original Turtles=aliens script (half of which wasn't even set anywhere near NY) which is why you have the Turtles running around in NY in the sun in one scene and then it suddenly cuts to them rolling down snow covered mountains in the next scene. Eric Sachs was obviously supposed to be The Shredder because he was built up as the Big Bad guy who killed April's father which is paid off in the end when April is the one to deliver the death blow to Shredder but in the final cut Sachs is killed pretty much as an afterthought and the scene where April kills Shredder pretty much robs the Turtles' from getting revenge for what happened to Splinter.
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In my opinion the original live action movie was the only good one. It just amazes me that they can't make another one that doesn't suck. I haven't seen the new one, but I read that the foot is not a ninja clan but a group of terrorists. Is that supposed to lure in people who are into current day war movies or something? Here's an idea, how about instead of the old communicators the turtles can use the new iPhone 6. That ought to bring in the teenage audience. It would be great if this show got to have a theatrical movie, but I'm afraid something would go wrong. Like Nick would hire a separate group of writers, or force a bunch of ridiculous changes in hopes of drawing in a bigger crowd. It's like the turtles are cursed when they're in the movie theater.
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Sep 19, 2014 16:22
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:he was built up as the Big Bad guy who killed April's father which is paid off in the end when April is the one to deliver the death blow to Shredder but in the final cut Sachs is killed pretty much as an afterthought and the scene where April kills Shredder pretty much robs the Turtles' from getting revenge for what happened to Splinter. That's another plot hole. Splinter claims that April's father destroyed the office and died in the fire. Sachs claims that he shot her father and he died. So...who's telling the truth? How'd they get the mutagen from Splinter when he had it on the ground? How did Splinter NOT die alone in the sewer? How is Raph not dead from his cracked shell being ripped open MULTIPLE times? Why not use Karai more? Whoopi Goldberg needed more screentime. Her "What?" line got the biggest laugh of the movie in my theater. Not spoiler: Goddamn this movie was awful. But more on topic for this thread: What did people think of the Dimension X episode? I liked it more than the Big Trouble in Little China homage. Probably because I never saw that movie. I do hope they decide to explain more about Irma and her supposed powers.
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Sep 19, 2014 16:33
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There was a Big Trouble in Little China episode?! AND THERMO DIDN'T WATCH THAT MOVIE?!
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Crabtree posted:There was a Big Trouble in Little China episode?! AND THERMO DIDN'T WATCH THAT MOVIE?! Yes and yes.  I'll watch it this weekend since it's on Netflix.
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I just caught up with the latest episodes, including the 2 part season finale "The Invasion", and as an oldschool turtles fan I'm amused/excited that this show is doing its own take on the exile to Northampton plot from the Mirage comics and nearly every other TMNT incarnation since. Also, that Big Trouble in Little China parody episode was funny as hell. "It's all in the reflexes."
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I thought that season finale was decent enough but I'm pretty disappointed that Irma's power was actually to transform into Gilbert Gottfried. It was a pretty good fakeout, and I guess it makes sense; what are the odds of two magic people randomly becoming best friends and all, but I liked that take on Irma and would have liked another supporting female in the cast.
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That season finale was amazing, Mickey made me tear up twice during it. Can't wait for next season! Always love some downtime at North Hampton
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:That season finale was amazing, Mickey made me tear up twice during it. Once again Mikey proves to be the best turtle. I love that the two things he took from the lair that were dear to him were a couple frozen pizzas and Ice Cream Kitty. I was pretty bummed about Irma. I feel a little bit cheated that she turned out to be a Krang spy. Although, I did love Krang Sub-Prime.
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So it looks like Gilbert Godfried is the first death in this series. Also I just noticed Spike in the opening theme.
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I was a bit disappointed that the Turtle mech had been built up so much and turned out to be pretty useless.
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Well Leo did say it wasn't gonna be a good plan.
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And listed the reasons why. No need to use spoilers now that the episode's been out for two days, right? I like the idea of a turtle mech, but I love why it didn't work. It's like fighting fire with fire, except you just discovered fire and the opponent has spent a hundred years discovering how to make fire better. Just landing that blow to temporally disable the oozemech was pretty satisfying imo. Can't wait for next season, what do you think are the odds of Bishop showing up? We need a character to represent the EDF after all, and with them in the frame I am hoping that the Krang invasion if followed up by Tryceratons. 
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Where are you people watching this episode? It's not scheduled to record for me until next week.
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Glaucus atlanticus posted:Where are you people watching this episode? It's not scheduled to record for me until next week. Nick's website has it up. I just watched what they were talking about.
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Hopefully they got "mutation / krangthing of the week" out of their system for the moment, North Hampton doesn't feel like it'd lend itself to that so easily, it feels like they'd have to be removed from their ongoing antagonists somewhat... but I'm sure they could if they like. It'd nice to have some more grounded or varied stories next season, tho.
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It was a good idea to reuse the first turtles movie plot line and move them out of the city for a while. Pretty ballsy for a kids cartoon.
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Invalid Validation posted:It was a good idea to reuse the first turtles movie plot line and move them out of the city for a while. Pretty ballsy for a kids cartoon. I'm sort of assuming they're still going to be in the city a lot of the time, fighting the invasion presumably. SlothfulCobra posted:So it looks like Gilbert Godfried is the first death in this series. There was that minor Krang that the newt guy ate, I remember that because it that was the first death I noticed.
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Sep 22, 2014 09:11
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I'm guessing they stay up there for three or five episodes recovering and then getting a plan together to take the city back.
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I forget that they aim for a really quick turnaround between seasons, so I'm looking forward to picking this back up in a few weeks. For as triumphant as the season 1 finale was, this was very much not that.
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Invalid Validation posted:It was a good idea to reuse the first turtles movie plot line and move them out of the city for a while. Pretty ballsy for a kids cartoon. It was also a good idea for the first movie to take the same plot from the original comic book. Only it was Raphael getting his rear end kicked in the film.
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In the Mirage comics the turtles spent around 2 years hiding out in Northampton but in every other incarnation it was shortened significantly to just a couple of months or even just several weeks. I think it'll be a similarly short stay in the Nick cartoon because they can't just let the Kraang stomp around NYC for months on end. Plus there's only so much action you can have take place on a farm where the two primary enemies can't attack them since they don't know the location. I wonder if this show's Return to New York story will include mutant Shredder clones? 
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Those clones only existed because the turtles had already killed Shredder though  The worms were a bad rear end and weird as hell clone method though holy poo poo. One of their best original ideas probably, unless maybe it's actually something lifted from a movie I haven't seen. For those who don't know, Shredder comes back to life in the comics because the foot ninjas feed his corpse to a colony of worms who then form into a clone of what they ate.
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It wouldn't be too surprising if the show eventually took it even further to the mutant shark version of Shredder. They mutate the crap out of everything else.
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Light Gun Man posted:Those clones only existed because the turtles had already killed Shredder though The Shredder clones were included in the 2003 TMNT cartoon and I don't think Shredder had been killed. I don't know how their presence was explained in the show because I never really watched it. All I know is that the Shredder in that show wasn't even human, but an evil Utrom in disguise. Certainly one of the stranger takes on the character... I'm hoping the Nick show includes them somehow. They could be failed experiments resulting from Shredder experimenting with the mutagen, or an accident. hypersleep fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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2003 shredder AKA Ch’rell occasionally got defeated and locked away somewhere only to somehow keep coming back bigger and badder shredder suit. He was basically a more take charge and competent 1987 Krang. However, it sure was fun to learn that 87 Krang and the Kraang of the 2012 show are technically called Ultrom in the comics and 2003 show. 
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I think shredder being an alien in a suit is actually a brilliant idea. It's a way of having a villain with a reputation dating back hundreds of years without magic and using series lore. I have not bothered with 2003 but I think some of its ideas look great on paper.
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Rita Repulsa posted:I think shredder being an alien in a suit is actually a brilliant idea. It's a way of having a villain with a reputation dating back hundreds of years without magic and using series lore. Well the 2003 was the last hurrah of Eastman and Laird as Mirage Studios was deeply involved with the show from start to movie send-off. But apparently Ch'rell actually took the idea of Shredder when he crashed on Earth from the original Tengu Shredder legend in this series. There are a lot of Shredders and a lot of seasons/spin-offs so if you decide to look into 03, even for the awesome Turtles Forever, know that there's a lot of back story to this beast.
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Utrom Shredder was a great idea for the TV "kid's show" cartoon format. It meant the TMNT actually go to cut off his limbs sometimes, most graphically a total onscreen decapitation (before being an Utrom was revealed), it ruled. They would often have long, drawn out fights that would sometimes end with his Oroku Saki suit being totally ruined and him fighting as just a bare, naked utrom, it owned. It's absolutely a brilliant "tactical" move to get some decent fighting into a saturday morning show and it absolutely paid off.Crabtree posted:2003 shredder AKA Ch’rell occasionally got defeated and locked away somewhere only to somehow keep coming back bigger and badder shredder suit. He was basically a more take charge and competent 1987 Krang. However, it sure was fun to learn that 87 Krang and the Kraang of the 2012 show are technically called Ultrom in the comics and 2003 show.  +  Utrom trivia time!It's Utrom, no L in there. Easy and common mistake though! In the 87 show Krang is never stated to be an Utrom, and sometimes is said to have had an organic full body before having it taken away (it's inconsistent though). He's an Utrom in the new comics though, and the TMNT newspaper strip says he is one too, sorta. 2003 had a cameo where an Utrom seen for like 2 seconds was referred to as Krang. 2012 Kraangs are Kraangs and not Utroms, unless maybe something happened in the episodes I haven't seen yet. Obviously based on them though more malicious. The Professor in the second movie was supposedly going to be revealed as an Utrom in a scene but sadly that did not happen. Movie makes a lot more sense in my head if he is one, I want to believe. In summary, 
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Here's an article with Seth Green on voicing Leonardo, which has a season 2 finale and season 3 clip. Also, this spoiler: http://latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/napoleon_c.jpg Guacala fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Sep 25, 2014 |
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Guacala posted:Here's an article with Seth Green on voicing Leonardo, which has a season 2 finale and season 3 clip. Also, this spoiler: I'm not one to complain about changing voice actors in a cartoon but I did figure he was going to try to sound at least a little like the other two actors. Guess not.
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They really should have stuck with the last guy, he did a good job of sounding similar to Biggs.
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His voice might have sounded more like Biggs, but his acting sounded flatter than cardboard.
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Kibayasu posted:I'm not one to complain about changing voice actors in a cartoon but I did figure he was going to try to sound at least a little like the other two actors. Guess not. I'd like to think he got some magic cool puberty voice power up after his last stand against the foot.
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Oh man, how are they going to handle the Punk Frogs this time, particularly when Napoleon seems to be - uh, a little more dorkier than I'd expect. I mean, I'm not saying this like they're something that should be defended if their original formula is altered, but I'm not even sure where you could go with them these days. Just some werido tribe of mutant Frogs down in Florida? Please just let him be a MLP joke and not TMNT's Jar-Jar Binks. 
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Crabtree posted:Oh man, how are they going to handle the Punk Frogs this time, particularly when Napoleon seems to be - uh, a little more dorkier than I'd expect. I mean, I'm not saying this like they're something that should be defended if their original formula is altered, but I'm not even sure where you could go with them these days. Just some werido tribe of mutant Frogs down in Florida? They're really going full loser and not just brony with that design. He also has a poop hat and a friggin FANNY PACK. We'll have to wait and see what's with that.
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That's too bad, all I hear is Seth Green. That'll take a little while to get used to.
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Invalid Validation posted:That's too bad, all I hear is Seth Green. That'll take a little while to get used to. Maybe he has a "lighter" voice outside of action scenes? It's really jarring either way. I mean I understand voice actors have to be replaced sometimes but Green sounds nothing like Biggs or the guy that voiced Leo for the remainder of season 2. On the bright side, it's not Johnny Knoxville.
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Also, Mikey rescuing Ice Cream Kitty made my wonder if he'll ever get her unmutated. It would be cool if she became this show's analog for Klunk. Previous to making this post I had no idea Klunk had been in the 2003 series. It's the only TMNT incarnation outside of the Mirage comics that included him. Edit: After some Googling, I just discovered Kevin Eastman voiced Ice Cream Kitty in her debut. hypersleep fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Sep 27, 2014 |
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