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A Buttery Pastry posted:No, they were Russian citizens being kidnapped by perfidious Lithuanians. No, they were lizardmen overlords meeting with NATO spies disguised as fishermen. They took the form of crabs as an extra security precaution. But Russia is too smart to be fooled by those kind of deceitful homonazi tactics.
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So Russian news reports that there are a bunch of planned government meetings/events on the security of Russian internet coming up, one of which will be attended by Putin himself. The focus will be on the sovereignty of the Russian segment of the world wide web, and will include a protocol for disconnecting the Russian segment from the rest of the world in case of war or whatever. Putin's going all in you guys.
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Sep 19, 2014 16:52
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Berke Negri posted:A shared commonwealth of interests, as it were. And then there's this: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/fa1e5d0e9e244978ac25f2daf298472f/3-eastern-european-countries-form-joint-brigade
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Sep 19, 2014 17:10
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Present posted:So Russian news reports that there are a bunch of planned government meetings/events on the security of Russian internet coming up, one of which will be attended by Putin himself. The focus will be on the sovereignty of the Russian segment of the world wide web, and will include a protocol for disconnecting the Russian segment from the rest of the world in case of war or whatever. So, what, literally cut the (underwater) cables? There's no way that can have negative side effects.
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Sep 19, 2014 17:11
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double nine posted:So, what, literally cut the (underwater) cables? There's no way that can have negative side effects.
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Sep 19, 2014 17:17
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double nine posted:So, what, literally cut the (underwater) cables? There's no way that can have negative side effects. I imagine it's more likely that Russian telecoms would just turn off their routers' peering to outside routers. The networks would still be internally functional, they would just vanish from the rest of the world's view. This would be easily reversible.
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Sep 19, 2014 17:43
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More airspace stuff news: looks like a few hours ago the UK scrambled some interceptors against 2 Russian strategic borders that were flying close to UK airspace, but didn't enter it.
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Sep 19, 2014 17:51
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OddObserver posted:More airspace stuff news: looks like a few hours ago the UK scrambled some interceptors against 2 Russian strategic borders that were flying close to UK airspace, but didn't enter it. On and off since the Cold War, Russia has been doing that to various NATO nations.
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Sep 19, 2014 19:05
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It's like constantly poking everyone with pointy sticks to remind everyone that you've still got a pointy stick.
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Sep 19, 2014 19:11
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SkySteak posted:On and off since the Cold War, Russia has been doing that to various NATO nations. It's part of the whole "Russia is being encroached upon by NATO" thing, they feel the need to puncture the veil once in a while to get a bit of fresh air. No need to get all threatened about it.
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Sep 19, 2014 19:53
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OddObserver posted:More airspace stuff news: looks like a few hours ago the UK scrambled some interceptors against 2 Russian strategic borders that were flying close to UK airspace, but didn't enter it. You'll have to forgive Tu-95, she tends to be absentminded. Russian fishermen are also obsessed with getting the best signal reception out in the middle of nowhere.
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Present posted:So Russian news reports that there are a bunch of planned government meetings/events on the security of Russian internet coming up, one of which will be attended by Putin himself. The focus will be on the sovereignty of the Russian segment of the world wide web, and will include a protocol for disconnecting the Russian segment from the rest of the world in case of war or whatever. Implementing this would be a political suicide. Whole Russian population would go crazy and go on a rampage in Kremlin if there's only Russian porn left.
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Sep 19, 2014 20:01
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I haven't been keeping up with the crisis for the past few weeks as closely as I should have. What is the situation like right now? As I understand it the ceasefire isn't working out all that well? And Poroshenko asked America to assist Ukraine militarily in Washington so the fight is still surely raging on. Apparently the rebels have taken over some territory on the Black Sea coast, but is their hold on it strong and are there plans to soon annex those areas to the Novorossiya state? Is there any sign that the crisis might be winding down soon and maybe coming to an end? If so, what kind of a solution/deal are we looking at here? If not, what happens next?
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Sep 19, 2014 20:07
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Has there been any more news about corruption in the Ukraine military command structure? A few pages back someone mentioned some reasonably high up generals were suspended on suspicion that they had been collaborating with family in the Russian military. Does this possibly explain why, as I believe I saw in one Vice segment, the Ukraine military just feels completely overwhelmed with the accuracy of the Russian assault?
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Sep 19, 2014 20:37
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I'm seeing tweets that the Russians are shelling Mariupol. https://twitter.com/lockerUA/status/513045441387438081
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Sep 19, 2014 20:42
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TasogareNoKagi posted:You'll have to forgive Tu-95, she tends to be absentminded. Ahahaha what the gently caress.
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Oh Vitaly, when will you stop making it obvious you  Radio Free Europe: quote:St. Petersburg lawmaker Vitaly Milonov, his aide Anatoly Artyukh, and activists who associate themselves with the Russian Orthodox faith interrupted the opening ceremony of the "KviroFest-2014" event at a cafe on September 18. The visitors splashed an indelible green antiseptic on participants and released an unidentified gas that sickened many. The 10-day festival opened despite the attack. Russia decriminalized homosexual relations after the 1991 Soviet collapse, but such harassment is common. Rights defenders and Western governments including the United States say a 2013 law banning the dissemination of gay "propaganda" to minors is discriminatory and encourages ill-treatment of LGBT people. Gays Star News: quote:LGBTI organization Coming Out St Petersburg, as well as 40 other volunteers, had worked tirelesly for five months to ensure the arts event was a success. But an hour and a half before the opening, Polina Andrianova told Gay Star News they were forced to move to a different venue. She alleged the owner of the building had forced the space to break the contract, and the Coming Out group had to change the venue, installations, sound equipment and direct all the guests to another space. But the anti-gay thugs found them. "There were 20 aggressors, and the security guys that we hired blocked them from entering,' Andrianova told GSN. "They proceeded to spray the doors - two entrances - with this horrific green stuff. They also sprayed some form of gas - it left a really bad, putrid scent. Today we learned 16 people were hospitalized today from breathing this thing in." Andrianova believes Milonov may have left immediately before the lawbreaking began. But she says the deputy of St Petersburg comes to all of their events, any street rally, to try and shut them down. "He seems to enjoy the PR." Imagine I bolded everything.
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Sep 19, 2014 20:52
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Present posted:So Russian news reports that there are a bunch of planned government meetings/events on the security of Russian internet coming up, one of which will be attended by Putin himself. The focus will be on the sovereignty of the Russian segment of the world wide web, and will include a protocol for disconnecting the Russian segment from the rest of the world in case of war or whatever. So, what would a Russian internet have a monopoly on, besides certain varieties of really shady porn?
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Sep 19, 2014 20:52
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Lustful Man Hugs posted:So, what would a Russian internet have a monopoly on, besides certain varieties of really shady porn? Livejournal.
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Sep 19, 2014 20:56
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archaeo posted:The Borderland Okay, this is pretty good.  Fabulous Knight posted:I haven't been keeping up with the crisis for the past few weeks as closely as I should have. What is the situation like right now? As I understand it the ceasefire isn't working out all that well? And Poroshenko asked America to assist Ukraine militarily in Washington so the fight is still surely raging on. Apparently the rebels have taken over some territory on the Black Sea coast, but is their hold on it strong and are there plans to soon annex those areas to the Novorossiya state? Is there any sign that the crisis might be winding down soon and maybe coming to an end? If so, what kind of a solution/deal are we looking at here? If not, what happens next? Hard to say. On one hand, the Russian troops who have been "officially there" are mostly out, so that's a nice thing. On the other hand, it's hard to say if Russian material support for insurgents has stopped. Insurgent fighting certainly hasn't stopped. In any case, Kiev basically has to keep taking it on the chin - keep trying to fight the insurgents as best they can, while pretending that the Minsk Protocol is working because they don't want the Russians to (again, officially) come back in. In the meantime, the White House is (wisely, IMO) saying that it won't send weapons to Ukraine.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Livejournal. 2001 is on the line, it is demanding that we protect this vital internet resource!
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Lustful Man Hugs posted:So, what would a Russian internet have a monopoly on, besides certain varieties of really shady porn? A horde of annoying as gently caress Russian gamers, a ton of malware, and like 30% of the Internet's spam.
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Sep 19, 2014 21:27
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Lustful Man Hugs posted:So, what would a Russian internet have a monopoly on, besides certain varieties of really shady porn? Dashcam footage
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Sep 19, 2014 21:31
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VK, a bunch of torrent traffic, and World of Tanks?
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Insightful commentary about how the world really is.
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Majorian posted:In the meantime, the White House is (wisely, IMO) saying that it won't send weapons to Ukraine. What a disappointment. It's not like Russia is going to reciprocate, there's no award for being the more restrained side.
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Speaking of Lithuania: http://en.delfi.lt/lithuania/economy/russia-detains-lithuanian-fishing-vessel.d?id=65894796 quote:Russia has detained a Lithuanian fishing vessel and it's being towed to Murmansk Port, Russian and Lithuanian officials said on Friday.
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Sep 19, 2014 23:12
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Dolash posted:What a disappointment. It's not like Russia is going to reciprocate, there's no award for being the more restrained side. Well, but it makes them less likely to escalate again, so that's good.
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Majorian posted:Well, but it makes them less likely to escalate again, so that's good. Well, the status quo is still innocents being tortured to death by Russian terrorists, but hey, at least we don't have to worry about Putin feeling bad! Here's a question for ya: HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Speaking of Lithuania: You don't think that this is a deliberate, illegal provocation in a series of many? Do you honestly think that Putin's going to be backing down even if the US, NATO or EU impotently twiddle their thumbs when Russia's pulling this kind of poo poo off constantly?
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I don't know much about how airspace works, but it looks like Russia flew 6 fighter jets into US airspace because lol gently caress it. quote:Washington (AFP) - Six Russian MiG 35 fighter jets entered a US "air defense identification zone" Friday and were intercepted by American and Canadian warplanes near Alaska, two US defense officials said. http://news.yahoo.com/six-russian-fighters-intercepted-us-near-alaska-222607256.html;_ylt=AwrBJR41sxxUZUAA5PXQtDMD
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Finlander posted:Well, the status quo is still innocents being tortured to death by Russian terrorists, but hey, at least we don't have to worry about Putin feeling bad! It's all provocation, and Russia is going to get away with this, and anything else they wants to do. Who's going to stop them?
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Finlander posted:Well, the status quo is still innocents being tortured to death by Russian terrorists, but hey, at least we don't have to worry about Putin feeling bad! Well, the actual stakes would be a broader war that draws in other states, which would serve no one but your revenge-boner. But if you want to minimize that as "Putin feeling bad," sure, go ahead. quote:You don't think that this is a deliberate, illegal provocation in a series of many? Do you honestly think that Putin's going to be backing down even if the US, NATO or EU impotently twiddle their thumbs when Russia's pulling this kind of poo poo off constantly? It is a provocation, and it looks to me like the Lithuanian government and its allies are handling it appropriately. You're an unbelievable idiot if you think sending in NATO troops will do anything but make the situation worse. Majorian fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Sep 20, 2014 |
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Volkerball posted:I don't know much about how airspace works, but it looks like Russia flew 6 fighter jets into US airspace because lol gently caress it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_Zone posted:An Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) is airspace over land or water in which the identification, location, and control of civil aircraft is required in the interest of national security.[1] They extend beyond a country's airspace to give the country more time to respond to foreign and possibly hostile aircraft.[2] The authority to establish an ADIZ is not given by any international treaty nor prohibited by international law and is not regulated by any international body.[2][3] So basically just the media trying to scare people.
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Niedar posted:So basically just the media trying to scare people. Not really. In the past few days, Russia has threatened or violated airspace of at least US, UK, Sweden, Latvia, and of course Ukraine. Edit: maybe Canada as well. OddObserver fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Sep 20, 2014 |
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:It's all provocation, and Russia is going to get away with this, and anything else they wants to do. Who's going to stop them? 
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Majorian posted:Well, the actual stakes would be a broader war that draws in other states, which would serve no one but your revenge-boner. But if you want to minimize that as "Putin feeling bad," sure, go ahead. And right now, the stakes are that there are literally thousands being murdered in Ukraine in horrific ways, in an illegal proxy war the likes of which haven't been seen in decades, which will continue unless Putin backs down and Ukraine is given the means to fight off the terrorists that he had sent in. If you honestly think that Ukraine can do either of these by itself, then you are an absolute tool. The world HAS to put pressure on Putin, because if he thinks he can get away with it, he'll take anything he wants and kills anyone he wants. He's like a drat 3-year old: If you let him do what he wants now, he'll just be acting more and more out of line in the future, and these "incidents" of unprovoked Russian aggression via warcrimes will simply increase both in number and scale. Also, keep in mind: People are always saying that the west isn't willing to risk WWIII over Ukraine, right? Well, who's to say that Putin, the totalitarian tyrant who seems more occupied with wanting to keep up his hedonistic lifestyle than actually leading his country, would be willing to risk WWIII, either? Finally, this isn't about some "revenge boner," as you're minimizing this into, it's about wanting Russia's terrorists routed so the country can return to normal and the violence targeted at civilians, including beatings, murder, torture, you name it, can be put to an end. Although I guess you're probably against that, seeing as you're always going on and on about how nobody should ever act against poor scared little Russia, even when it's committing despicable crimes against humanity in other countries and against its own people. Majorian posted:It is a provocation, and it looks to me like the Lithuanian government and its allies are handling it appropriately. You're an unbelievable idiot if you think sending in NATO troops will do anything but make the situation worse. And you're a hundred times more the idiot if you think even for a second that Putin won't continue to escalate regardless of US/NATO action. We already know that he has absolutely no care for any losses, be they economical, diplomatic, or human, in his sick game of "foreign policy" so long as he personally gains something out of it. Remember, this conflict started when he decided to annex Crimea and use terrorists as weapons in eastern Ukraine to do the same: Russia's been the one escalating since day zero, and it will continue to do so. Inaction is already causing Russia to escalate the conflict and to worsen its international relations, and I would honestly say that if there's any chance that an action being taken could make Putin give up and de-escalate then it should be taken. Also, at no point did I say anything about NATO troops, so there's also that. OddObserver posted:Not really. In the past few days, Russia has threatened or violated airspace of at least It's also been violating Finnish airspace more than usual.
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Volkerball posted:I don't know much about how airspace works, but it looks like Russia flew 6 fighter jets into US airspace because lol gently caress it. They do that to Canada with about 12-18 bombers per year. I know a couple pilots who have flown those intercept missions and they just shadow them until they go away.
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MagicCube posted:They do that to Canada with about 12-18 bombers per year. I know a couple pilots who have flown those intercept missions and they just shadow them until they go away. Yeah, this stuff goes on all the time, everywhere. It was an almost daily occurrence during the Cold War. Probing air defenses to see if they had any blind spots, how quickly they reacted, etc.
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