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mabels big day posted:you beat the Morty, and you can either go to cianwood (fight pokemon level 20-25) or go to the lake of rage and deal with team rocket (level 20-25). this is like over a third of the game. before morty is a level 20 gym and after morty is a level 30 gym so i dont really understand what youre trying to say
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Soral posted:before morty is a level 20 gym and after morty is a level 30 gym so i dont really understand what youre trying to say not so much the gyms, but all the trainers and wild pokemon inbetween
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Sep 20, 2014 03:20
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i always used that time to train up new pokemon. it doesnt have to be a race to level 100, friend
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Sep 20, 2014 03:22
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Soral posted:i always used that time to train up new pokemon. it doesnt have to be a race to level 100, friend there's no reason for the elite four to not be 50+. the level curve in the game is just bad, and thats a fact
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Sep 20, 2014 03:23
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mabels big day posted:you beat the Morty, and you can either go to cianwood (fight pokemon level 20-25) or go to the lake of rage and deal with team rocket (level 20-25). this is like over a third of the game. At least we can agree on what is the absolute worst generation.
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Sep 20, 2014 03:23
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Personally my pokemon favorites would go like 3 > 2 > 6 > 5 > 1 > 4 1 was really fun when I played it but wow that game is held together by twigs and every single design decision was improved in sequels.
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Sep 20, 2014 03:24
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mabels big day posted:there's no reason for the elite four to not be 50+. the level curve in the game is just bad, and thats a fact that's because the level curve is for a game that has 16 gyms and ends at level 85 and not for a game with 8 gyms that ends at level 65.
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Sep 20, 2014 03:24
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literally your entire complaint is "this game has set up encounters to let me choose which of 2 areas to do first"
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Sep 20, 2014 03:25
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Soral posted:that's because the level curve is for a game that has 16 gyms and ends at level 85 and not for a game with 8 gyms that ends at level 65. No, the level curve is poo poo. It plateaus at the late 20s for the first half, and then it plateaus at the early 50s in the second half. There's no real progression, and in the second half its really bad since every gym is the same level (it doesh alf the advantage of letting you challenge the gyms in pretty much any order, but without a sense of progression its worthless. PLUS the kanto region is loving dead... there's nothing there at all. It may as well not be in the game)
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Sep 20, 2014 04:03
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My main complaint iwth gen2 is that a lot of the pokemon they introduced are fuckfail and either have lame stats, or stats that specifically encourage a stalling, defensive metagame.
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Sep 20, 2014 04:04
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another thing that sucks is that all the routes have the same pokemon, except some routes might have one new pokemon, but they're rare. it sucks for nuzlockes.
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Sep 20, 2014 04:05
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Gen3 and 6 are about even with each other... Gen3 is probably better for its time, because as good as 6 is, it should've done a lot more. Black/White is just very solid, well made, with lots of good new pokemon. The map is kidna lame in terms of how its organized, but it still has some cool locales. Gen4 is poo poo, but Heartgold/SoulSilver barely managed to redeem it. DPP by itself is loving terrible. Gen1 is a broken mess but it was the first so it scores some points. Emerald > X/Y > BW/BW2 > HG/SS > LG/FR > G/S/C > R/B/Y > D/P/P
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Sep 20, 2014 04:08
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Borsche69 posted:My main complaint iwth gen2 is that a lot of the pokemon they introduced are fuckfail and either have lame stats, or stats that specifically encourage a stalling, defensive metagame. yeah there are so many fuckfail ones in gen 2.. waht immediately springs to midn is the lovely rear end entire Ampharos line
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everything about X/Y felt just a little too generic for me. also the routes don't really make much sense, they seem like they're just thrown in there for the sake of it. like the snowstorm route that you just walk out of and there's suddenly no snow. i mean the routes themselves are kind of cool, but they just don't fit together.
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Sep 20, 2014 04:11
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well gently caress me i really liked gen 4
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AtlasToked posted:well gently caress me i really liked gen 4 I will.
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mabels big day posted:everything about X/Y felt just a little too generic for me. also the routes don't really make much sense, they seem like they're just thrown in there for the sake of it. like the snowstorm route that you just walk out of and there's suddenly no snow. i mean the routes themselves are kind of cool, but they just don't fit together. Going along the coast is a really cool part of the game, but the eastern part leaves a lot to be desired. There's a rnadom waterfall town that has no purpose, the town with the psychic gym sucks, and the snow town is in the wrong part of the map lo. I like the city a lot but using the controls when youre in the outer ring of the city are really hosed
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Borsche69 posted:Gen3 and 6 are about even with each other... Gen3 is probably better for its time, because as good as 6 is, it should've done a lot more. Black/White is just very solid, well made, with lots of good new pokemon. The map is kidna lame in terms of how its organized, but it still has some cool locales. Gen4 is poo poo, but Heartgold/SoulSilver barely managed to redeem it. DPP by itself is loving terrible. Gen1 is a broken mess but it was the first so it scores some points. this is pretty similar to the order i would put them in except for black and white 1 and 2 which i disliked
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Borsche69 posted:No, the level curve is poo poo. It plateaus at the late 20s for the first half, and then it plateaus at the early 50s in the second half. There's no real progression, and in the second half its really bad since every gym is the same level (it doesh alf the advantage of letting you challenge the gyms in pretty much any order, but without a sense of progression its worthless. PLUS the kanto region is loving dead... there's nothing there at all. It may as well not be in the game) youre wrong about every gym being the same level though, there is progression in the gyms from level 39 through 58. the problem was they didnt present them in an order that made sense the true order is fuschia, pewter, vermillion, celadon, cerulean, saffron, seafoam, then viridian. the problem is they're all jumbled up and half of them are gated behind plot, and the elite 4 slots in in between celadon and cerulean but must be challenged before you even get these 8
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yeah, really guys, there's a gym progression, as long as you completely do them out of order from what the story/game would suggest
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mabels big day posted:yeah, really guys, there's a gym progression, as long as you completely do them out of order from what the story/game would suggest the game doesnt suggest any order at all, but the pokemon levels in the gyms do, in the order i posted, so i don't know what point youre trying to make with this post other than to say you're a complete and total idiot retard
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Sep 20, 2014 04:40
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i was literally agreeing with you that its dumb that theyre all jumbled up but ok
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Soral posted:youre wrong about every gym being the same level though, there is progression in the gyms from level 39 through 58. the problem was they didnt present them in an order that made sense That's totally wrong lmfao. They're all mid-40s, they're all the same level. There's two exceptions: one is Janine, who's at a lower level and this is because she is a New Gym leader since Koga is now with the E4, they say that in the game and all media refers to that. The second is Blue and that's also obvious because he's the 8th. There's no order. You say that Blaine is a higher level than Brock or Lt. Surge but that's only barely true.. the difference is a couple of levels at its most extreme. Its a hosed up level curve dude its okay to admit it. The proble is that they literally don't have enough trainer battles in the game so there's a massive shortage of exp. Usually you'd rectify this with like a lucky egg, or maybe a place to grind with high level pokes but neither are available; the highest grinding spot in Johto has just level 20 pokemon, and Kanto has mostly like level 10 poo poo for some hosed up reason
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Soral posted:the game doesnt suggest any order at all, but the pokemon levels in the gyms do, in the order i posted, so i don't know what point youre trying to make with this post other than to say you're a complete and total idiot retard It does suggest an order because you take the boat to Vermillion and they suggest you challenge the gym there lol. Then Brock is cut off because of Snorlax or something so you have to go north and solve the powerplant and challenge misty etc etc. You can do poo poo out of order if you want, but there's a suggested order
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Borsche69 posted:That's totally wrong lmfao. They're all mid-40s, they're all the same level. http://www.serebii.net/gs/gyms.shtml gently caress off and die forever, b/c you're wrong Borsche69 posted:It does suggest an order because you take the boat to Vermillion and they suggest you challenge the gym there lol. Then Brock is cut off because of Snorlax or something so you have to go north and solve the powerplant and challenge misty etc etc. You can do poo poo out of order if you want, but there's a suggested order yes the mystical order of "maybe do the gym literally 4 steps away first, i dunno"
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Borsche69 posted:they're all the same level. the difference is a couple of levels at its most extreme. 
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Borsche69 posted:Its a hosed up level curve dude its okay to admit it. holy poo poo you dumb idiot retards this is literally what i've been saying in my last few posts. my stance from the beginning is the curve in the first 8 gyms is fine, the curve in the second 8 gyms is hosed complete
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At least we can all agree that 3rd gen is pretty much the best
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the third generation is "Good and Fun"
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the last one I played was pearl. I hear the combat is a lot faster in the new ones, I really should pick up a 3ds and play again
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Grapplejack posted:the last one I played was pearl. condolences
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stoutfish posted:34 genderfluid desert hellscape You also live in phoenix?
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played Gen 1, 2 & 4 when they came out- skipped Gen 3 unless it involved getting pokemon there to Diamond i've been out of the loop
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mabels big day posted:At least we can all agree that 3rd gen is pretty much the best Third and Sixth are prob the best gens, then the remaining ones in chronological order. 3>6>1>2>4>5 As for remakes, HG/SS is so much better than FR/LG I can't even explain in words
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KittyEmpress posted:Personally my pokemon favorites would go like 
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Soral posted:http://www.serebii.net/gs/gyms.shtml haha what, that literally link proves me right Brock is 41-42 Misty is 42-47 Lt Surge is 40-45 Erika is 41-46 Janine is 33-36 (the one exception, notice how low these levels are, such that you would be way overleveled after beating the E4. This is because she's a new gym leader) Sabrina is 46-48 Blaine is 45-50 And then Blue are all mid 50s They're all the same level dude, all mid-40s. Yeah usually going from like one gym leader to another you see the same kind of curve (Gym 6 to Gym 7 in B/W2 is a jump from 33-35 to 41-43). But this is over 8 loving leaders. You should be starting where Brock is, and then the 8th leader should be around level 70 or 80.
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Soral posted:holy poo poo you dumb idiot retards this is literally what i've been saying in my last few posts. my stance from the beginning is the curve in the first 8 gyms is fine, the curve in the second 8 gyms is hosed complete The curve in the first 8 gyms is also bad. The last 4 gyms are all stuck at around mid 30 without any progression. This is made worse by the fact that the trainer battles in Johto max out at around mid-20s (that is to say you'll barely find any trainer/rocketgrunt/whatever packing anything around level 30. That's bad progression. You plateau at around mid level 30.
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Soral posted:yes the mystical order of "maybe do the gym literally 4 steps away first, i dunno" Yeah. It's suggested. All the guide books say it, and Hell, even your link shows the Gyms In The Suggested Order. You are such a retard.
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