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SedanChair posted:They do it because it annoys team-minded liberal simpletons. As a bonus, when those simpletons try to explain what an insult it is, they look nuts. Yes, pretty much. Like, its a distinction with value if you're trying to pitch it to people who are going to work for you for free for questionable value in the hopes it amounts to something in the aggregate ("they call us the Democrat party, but we are the Democratic Party meaning we the people!!") but honestly we could just refer to the parties as red squad and blue squad and it would make no difference. edit: Like if you find yourself on cable news and you're explaining to Bill O'Reilly *pushes up glasses and slyly adjusts comb over on camera* no, it's not the Democrat Party it is the Democratic Party  " you are there as the dumb liberal straw man for conservative audiences to roll their eyes at, not the erudite commentator you think you are.
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Don't let them win by getting pissed at their misuse of the word "Democrat". Given all the crap these guys spew, using 'Democrat' incorrectly is pretty far down on the list, even if they are doing it intentionally because most of that other crap is also done intentionally. It's like bitching that Nixon was a bad president, and citing his mispronunciation of Chinese names as an example of how much of a monster he was.
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Sep 20, 2014 08:41
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:Don't let them win by getting pissed at their misuse of the word "Democrat". Who are you talking about?
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Sep 20, 2014 08:44
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GROVER CURES HOUSE posted:Who are you talking about? A single post on this forum about the name of anything is a waste of time unless maybe it's funny. Caring about it is wrong and someone here is massively caremad. It's me I am caremad
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Sep 20, 2014 08:46
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Heh, Bill Maher actually brought up that question about "Democrat" on his show tonight.
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Sep 20, 2014 10:08
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Apparently now Neil DeGrasse Tyson is a target of right-wing ire.quote:The Right’s War on Neil deGrasse Tyson http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/19/the-right-s-war-on-neil-degrasse-tyson.html Countdown to James O'Keefe attempting to seduce Tyson on a boat
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Sep 20, 2014 12:35
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The thing about Tyson is he's a presenter, and if you really want to understand the extremely complicated topics he's talking about indepth, you need to do your own homework. I dunno about the other misleading stuff though. Some of it sounds like mistakes and some of it sounds like sloppy attempts at jokes - especially since he just cited "Newspaper Headline" and "Member of Congress" rather than citing someone.
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Sep 20, 2014 12:46
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Apparently now Neil DeGrasse Tyson is a target of right-wing ire. Is it really surprising? He's black and he's academic. That's two things the right positively despises. Aside from that he has the audacity to be really, really smart, charismatic, and popular.
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Sep 20, 2014 13:02
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NDT tries to be as apolitical as possible, but I'm not surprised that there's a right wing push to discredit him since he's come to represent the rational/scientific perspective to a lot of young people.
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Sep 20, 2014 13:04
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Is it really surprising? He's black and he's academic. That's two things the right positively despises. Aside from that he has the audacity to be really, really smart, charismatic, and popular. It's surprising it took this long, though I guess the answer is in the weaksauce nature of those slide attacks -- I have to wonder if they've got people following his events and looking for slipups. But yeah, as you say, he's a popular black scientist who openly mocks climate change denial and creationism. The republicans couldn't possibly resist punching him.
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Sep 20, 2014 15:22
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joeburz posted:NDT tries to be as apolitical as possible, but I'm not surprised that there's a right wing push to discredit him since he's come to represent the rational/scientific perspective to a lot of young people. NDT is quite political especially about topics that mainstream America finds uncomfortable (example: there was a quite noticeable anti-Catholic bias in Cosmos).
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Sep 20, 2014 15:34
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computer parts posted:NDT is quite political especially about topics that mainstream America finds uncomfortable (example: there was a quite noticeable anti-Catholic bias in Cosmos). Last I checked Catholics didnt deny evolutionary science so you're going to need to explain that one.
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Sep 20, 2014 17:39
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RuanGacho posted:Last I checked Catholics didnt deny evolutionary science so you're going to need to explain that one. The entire first episode was about the Catholic Church shutting down a crazy dude for being a crazy dude. The ironic thing is that they used that anecdote instead of the classic Galileo story because Galileo was a total prick and deserved what he got too.
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computer parts posted:The entire first episode was about the Catholic Church shutting down a crazy dude for being a crazy dude. Stupid liberals, the Church didn't lock up Galileo for doing science. They locked him up for not flattering the pope enough, which is a totally reasonable thing for churches to do. People in political prisons for crimethink all had it coming to them.
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Sep 20, 2014 18:18
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Disapproving of and even mocking the actions taken centuries ago by the Catholic Church of Renaissance Europe is a big fat fuckin long ways away from being Anti-Catholic in any modern sense. That's as fair as considering someone calling Andrew Jackson a genocidal monster to be Anti-Obama. Twinty Zuleps fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Sep 20, 2014 |
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Sep 20, 2014 18:25
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Wulfolme posted:Disapproving of and even mocking the actions taken centuries ago by the Catholic Church of Renaissance Europe is a big fat fuckin long ways away from being Anti-Catholic in any modern sense. It ties into classic American anti-papist rhetoric.
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Sep 20, 2014 18:25
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computer parts posted:It ties into classic American anti-papist rhetoric. Tying into classic rhetoric is not the same as being actually anti-Catholic. It's possible that bigoted movements can have legitimate observations about the groups they are bigoted against. For another party to have the same observation doesn't make that other party bigoted.
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menino posted:Tying into classic rhetoric is not the same as being actually anti-Catholic. It's possible that bigoted movements can have legitimate observations about the groups they are bigoted against. For another party to have the same observation doesn't make that other party bigoted. Except that the guy they're covering was never a scientist and never claimed to be one. The reason he was sentenced to death was due to disagreements about the Trinity and the idea of who Jesus Christ was. It's trying not to scare middle American WASPs away from science by giving them a "hurr Catholics are backwards aren't they" story.
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Sep 20, 2014 18:30
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Cool Bear posted:A single post on this forum about the name of anything is a waste of time unless maybe it's funny. Caring about it is wrong and someone here is massively caremad. It's me I am caremad What about the name "gimmick"?
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Sep 20, 2014 18:33
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Here's the rant O'Reilly did about the "Evils" of the internet.quote:We are living in a dangerous, fast changing world. http://www.billoreilly.com/b/How-the-Internet-Makes-Evil-Stronger/931852520217555889.html He literally began with how terrorists are using the internet to hackers to "Anonymous" to people being addicted to their cellphones to kids looking at porn on the internet.
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computer parts posted:Except that the guy they're covering was never a scientist and never claimed to be one. The reason he was sentenced to death was due to disagreements about the Trinity and the idea of who Jesus Christ was. Did you somehow miss that all this happened centuries ago? Pre-Vatican II? Anyone that doesn't want to burn the medieval Roman Catholic Church to the ground and piss on the ashes is, in fact, a backwards barbarian. then again jesuits might be a tiny bit biased here 
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quote:“The more I dug into it, the more I found a history of fabrication—to make points that he didn’t need fabrication to make,” Davis told The Daily Beast. “As someone who writes and publishes for a living, I take exception to people who go out and make money based on fabrication.” I take exception to liars, the man said on the rabidly partisan news site.
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Berke Negri posted:Yes, pretty much. Like, its a distinction with value if you're trying to pitch it to people who are going to work for you for free for questionable value in the hopes it amounts to something in the aggregate ("they call us the Democrat party, but we are the Democratic Party meaning we the people!!") but honestly we could just refer to the parties as red squad and blue squad and it would make no difference. It's not about keeping the name sacred, it's about the right wing hijacking the discourse and being allowed to define who everyone is on their terms - and getting away with it. People who say "calm down nerds, it's not a big deal" are missing the point and contributing to the conservative-enabling. beatlegs fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Sep 20, 2014 |
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Conservatives don't like Neil DeGrasse Tyson because he talks about anthropogenic global warming and evolution and defends those theories against deniers. That's it.
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Dr Christmas posted:Conservatives don't like Neil DeGrasse Tyson because he talks about anthropogenic global warming and evolution and defends those theories against deniers. That's it. He also is outspoken about the racist and sexist undercurrents in our society that lead to science being predominantly a white man's game.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It's surprising it took this long, though I guess the answer is in the weaksauce nature of those slide attacks -- I have to wonder if they've got people following his events and looking for slipups. I think they mostly ignored him because for a long time he was a darling of the internet but not famous enough to register on the meatspace radar. The GOP, being full of old white fucks, doesn't understand the internet very well and think they can safely ignore it for the most part. However, he's getting more and more famous, thanks in part to the fact that the internet adores him so much. I think the other side of it is that he's an extremely chill dude so it's pretty hard to dislike him but now they've found reasons.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Nuclear. Regardless of the validity or unfairness of how they're singled out the problem remains the same. My point is it's a lame canard to think we'd be living in a nuclear paradise if only X people would stop poo poo talking it. Fossil gets away with their own disasters because we've built a society around it. Nuclear doesn't have that, but it does have some splashy and exciting disasters associated directly with it. Like I said, unfair? Maybe. But the bulk of the blame is on the industry itself, not the Sierra Club or whatever. This is why Im 100% against nuclear power run by a profit driven corporation. Have the navy build them and maintain them (There was some post talking about how the Navy is probably the absolute best when it comes to this as they have to make reactors so safe to be on a sub they are drat near impervious to catastrophic problems with the sheer number os safety mechanisms with safety mechanisms for those). Then Id be 100% for it. As long as its built and maintained by people who's purpose is running a safe reactor and not how much money they make cutting corners I have no problems with it. Its danger potential is too high to trust a CFO with making decisions.
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A lot of people I know tend to be highly critical of Tyson because they can't stand his fans, which tend to be your run-of-the-mill, smug, meme-spouting reddit atheists who like to pretend he's a black Richard Dawkins. Tyson himself has done a great job of not jumping on that bandwagon as much as he potentially could, but it's pretty clear that he's sorely tempted given the nature of the people he normally speaks out against (global warming deniers, people who don't think funding for scientific research is important, creationists, etc).
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I feel like Tyson tries to stay out of politics and focus on science but is ultimately getting drug into politics. I get the feeling he just wants to science it up in peace but you can't do much science if there is a massive political movement trying to cut all of its funding off. I think we're going to see more scientists getting involved in politics before too long if this anti-intellectualism nonsense gets stronger. Like it or not but there's a significant chunk of the right that thinks science is useless, education is for communists, and anybody with a tertiary degree is not to be trusted.
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computer parts posted:NDT is quite political especially about topics that mainstream America finds uncomfortable (example: there was a quite noticeable anti-Catholic bias in Cosmos). You mean he talks about science while being in america? Sorry, but you're wrong as he very carefully avoids taking political stances other than "science is great and facts are something that matter". Rarely he answers questions about race and inequality because he has a unique perspective, but it's usually in the form of someone asking him about it because he's a good figure to look up to, especially if you're a young minority student. He pushes for more research funding by the government but I'd hardly call that political.
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Toasticle posted:This is why Im 100% against nuclear power run by a profit driven corporation. Have the navy build them and maintain them (There was some post talking about how the Navy is probably the absolute best when it comes to this as they have to make reactors so safe to be on a sub they are drat near impervious to catastrophic problems with the sheer number os safety mechanisms with safety mechanisms for those). Then Id be 100% for it. Fun facts: admiral Rickover, the father of the nuclear fleet, realized in the late 1940s military reactors had to as safe as possible or else the public would never let them keep them if an accident occurred. Because of his drive for reactor safety the US navy has had no reactor accidents or leaks of radiation into the environment despite two submarines imploding below their crush depths. 
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You would think believing in science would be apolitical but it's not. It doesn't matter if NDT never uttered another word about race or taxes for the rest of his life. The fact that he believes in and advocates things like AGW and evolution are enough to tear him down for.
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beatlegs posted:It's not about keeping the name sacred, it's about the right wing hijacking the discourse and being allowed to define who everyone is on their terms - and getting away with it. I always hate this derail whenever it comes up but your posts about it are spot on.
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joeburz posted:You mean he talks about science while being in america? Sorry, but you're wrong as he very carefully avoids taking political stances other than "science is great and facts are something that matter". Sadly this is literally a political stance as pointing out facts is considered to be liberal nonsense. At best you're being "divisive". Try explaining to a right-wing acquaintance that Obama isn't importing Ebola, ISIS isn't crossing the Mexican/US border, or that the economy crashed before the 2008 election. Tender Bender fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Sep 21, 2014 |
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quote:Fun facts: admiral Rickover, the father of the nuclear fleet, realized in the late 1940s military reactors had to as safe as possible or else the public would never let them keep them if an accident occurred. Because of his drive for reactor safety the US navy has had no reactor accidents or leaks of radiation into the environment despite two submarines imploding below their crush depths.
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Tender Bender posted:Sadly this is literally a political stance as pointing out facts is considered to be liberal nonsense. At best you're being "divisive". Try explaining to a right-wing acquaintance that Obama isn't importing Ebola, ISIS isn't crossing the Mexican/US border, or that the economy crashed before the 2008 election. One of the most frustrating successes of the right wing in this country is that they've made the idea that global warming is a plot concocted by Big Science who are being bankrolled by Democrats for nefarious purposes a respectable position. Even some liberals hold to this position now, or at least thing global warming isn't a big deal. It's maddening, and largely driven by idiotic drivel like "If global warming than why today cold?" and "LOL Al Gore."
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FuzzySkinner posted:Here's the rant O'Reilly did about the "Evils" of the internet. I can't tell you how hard I laughed IRL at Bill O'Reilly of all people complaining about narcissism. 
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GROVER CURES HOUSE posted:Did you somehow miss that all this happened centuries ago? Pre-Vatican II? Anyone that doesn't want to burn the medieval Roman Catholic Church to the ground and piss on the ashes is, in fact, a backwards barbarian. The Renaissance is explicitly not medieval, and if he wanted to do a "people's ignorance causing institutional destruction of others" theme there are events that tie much more closely to his audience (like the Salem Witch Trials). This also wasn't the only questionable story he put forth. In another segment, he told of how thousands of years ago China was very advanced but then a leader decided to burn all the books and they never recovered from it. This is blatantly wrong and yet it feeds into the myth of East Asia being a bunch of backwards simpletons until the light of Western Capitalism bathed them in knowledge.
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I just realized we were talking about Cosmos. You realize NET doesn't write the script, right?
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