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Vadoc
Dec 31, 2007

Guess who made waffles...


Welp..

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canadian-fighter-jets-intercept-russian-bombers-in-arctic-1.2772440

In the past it didn't mean much, just Russia being Russia. But they're really pushing it now.

Ps. Heard the guns at Fortissimo from where I was working. Good shooting. :)

Vadoc fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Sep 20, 2014

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MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

I'd be interested to see what the formation the Americans intercepted was. Two bombers, a tanker and two MiG-31s? I dunno if Foxbats would be just escorting Bears, or if they were Blackjacks.

Because that would be kind of funny if they sent that against our CF-18s and just firewalled the throttles. All we could do is look on and go "welp" because MiG-31s are mach 2.5 capable and TU-160's are mach 2.1 capable, and the hornets are only around 1.8, if that.

Canuck-Errant
Oct 28, 2003

MOOD: BURNING - MUSIC: DISCO INFERNO BY THE TRAMMPS
Grimey Drawer

MA-Horus posted:

Because that would be kind of funny if they sent that against our CF-18s and just firewalled the throttles. All we could do is look on and go "welp" because MiG-31s are mach 2.5 capable and TU-160's are mach 2.1 capable, and the hornets are only around 1.8, if that.

drat you Snidely Boris :argh:

compressioncut
Sep 3, 2003

Eat knuckle, Fritz!
Yay, new uniforms rank stripes. Oh, and I think changing Pte to "Aviator" or some such dumb thing.

quote:

MEDIA ADVISORY

New uniform for the Royal Canadian Air Force

September 19, 2014OttawaDepartment of National Defence

Media are invited to a photo opportunity with the Honourable Rob Nicholson, Minister of National Defence and Lieutenant-General Yvan Blondin, Commander of the Royal Canadian Air Force, for the unveiling of the new Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) uniform at the Canada Aviation and Space Museum during the Battle of Britain parade.

When: September 21, 2014 at 10:30 a.m.
Where: Canada Aviation and Space Museum, 11 Aviation Parkway, Ottawa, ON K1K 2X5
What: Introduction of new uniform for the RCAF

Simkin
May 18, 2007

"He says he's going to be number one!"
Have to pay money to have mess kit altered for new stupid rank insignia :argh:

compressioncut
Sep 3, 2003

Eat knuckle, Fritz!
Air force mess kit went up in price HUGELY because of the new (old) pants leg ribbon made of real gold thread. From like $750 to near/over $1400 now.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

IN OTHER AIR FORCE NEWS

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-29224170

Canadian Military; Using Yesterday's Tools Tomorrow!

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Terrible weather for the Army Run.

Already heard about ten dudes say "if it ain't rainin, it ain't trainin."

stevobob
Nov 16, 2008

Alchemy - the study of how to turn LS1's into a 20B. :science:


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stevobob fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Aug 16, 2017

Sir John Eh
Feb 27, 2007
They say Rene Descartes was a drunken fart, but I should have that title
I am legitimately disappointed that I'm not a Flight Lieutenant

stevobob
Nov 16, 2008

Alchemy - the study of how to turn LS1's into a 20B. :science:


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stevobob fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Aug 16, 2017

ub
Feb 9, 2003

no dont
Pillbug

stevobob posted:

I don't get the Aviator thing. Privates don't aviate.

Yeah it's weird and I guess it looks like the rest of the NCM rank structure is unchanged so you'd go from a propeller to two hooks.

All these new changes are cool and all, and I don't have a problem with them per se, but it kinda rankles when the optics of it are that we are spending money on cosmetic changes instead of funding actually useful poo poo.

Ruse
Dec 16, 2005

Gentlemen, let's broaden our minds!

ub posted:

All these new changes are cool and all, and I don't have a problem with them per se, but it kinda rankles when the optics of it are that we are spending money on cosmetic changes instead of funding actually useful poo poo.

This, oh god this.

I'm sailing on the Athabaskan right now and it's loving BRUTAL. This boat should have been made a reef 15 years ago.

compressioncut
Sep 3, 2003

Eat knuckle, Fritz!

Sir John Eh posted:

I am legitimately disappointed that I'm not a Flight Lieutenant

Same, but Flying Officer.

The gray/black ranks and silver buttons make the terrible sky blue DEU color look a lot better though. Nice change IMO.

DrakeriderCa
Feb 3, 2005

But I'm a real cowboy!

stevobob posted:

I don't get the Aviator thing. Privates don't aviate.

I'm thinking it's because they can't use "Airman" because it would oppress all non-male service members and AVIATOR is shorter than AIRPERSON

ub
Feb 9, 2003

no dont
Pillbug

DrakeriderCa posted:

I'm thinking it's because they can't use "Airman" because it would oppress all non-male service members and AVIATOR is shorter than AIRPERSON

Apparently it was "Aircraftman" so you're probably right. I guess if the Navy hadn't retained its ranks since forever we'd probably be "Sailors" vice "Seamen".

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


Sir John Eh posted:

I am legitimately disappointed that I'm not a Flight Lieutenant

The traditional flag officer ranks were pretty baller. Air Commodores and Marshalls? Yes, please. Though I guess some institutional changes would have to be made if just any O-5 can call themselves a Wing Commander. And I'm pretty sure we don't have group formations anymore neither.

Not sure how necessary the 'aviator' change was, especially if they're not planning to change all the ranks and/or insignias. I guess it gives BMQ students a new bit of info to stress over? :iiam:

e.

compressioncut posted:

The gray/black ranks and silver buttons make the terrible sky blue DEU color look a lot better though.

:hfive:

acumen
Mar 17, 2005
Fun Shoe
That's ridiculous, it's a rank, not a title. Why not just change every infantry private to 'rifleman', every sergeant to 'section commander' and every lieutenant to 'desk jockey'? Isn't the entire purpose of rank to eliminate differentiation between peers?

ub
Feb 9, 2003

no dont
Pillbug

acumen posted:

That's ridiculous, it's a rank, not a title. Why not just change every infantry private to 'rifleman', every sergeant to 'section commander' and every lieutenant to 'desk jockey'? Isn't the entire purpose of rank to eliminate differentiation between peers?

They did, last year. Well, as least as far as the rank of Private is concerned. You can now be one of a total eight rank names depending on your regiment: Trooper, Gunner, Sapper, Signalman, Craftsman, Guardsman, Rifleman, or Fusilier.

I agree it doesn't make much sense, especially in a combined forces. As a navy dude if I see someone in a green beret and a one-hook slip-on I could give two shits what their new special rank name is.

compressioncut
Sep 3, 2003

Eat knuckle, Fritz!

Guest2553 posted:

The traditional flag officer ranks were pretty baller. Air Commodores and Marshalls? Yes, please. Though I guess some institutional changes would have to be made if just any O-5 can call themselves a Wing Commander. And I'm pretty sure we don't have group formations anymore neither.

I'm given to understand this is part of the reason they didn't go back to historic ranks, because a Wing Commander couldn't be seen in charge of a squadron, and so on. Never mind it's just a name, and WgCdrs run squadrons in the modern RAF.

edit - also some pushback from the army and naval aviation associations I would think and with that in mind we're at a fair compromise. I'm also talking like I'm really invested in this, but I'm not.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

If this trend keeps up I'll have to wear a peaked cap and puttees by 2017.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

Shako and red coats, anyone?

Can sergeants start carrying halberds again?

Canuck-Errant
Oct 28, 2003

MOOD: BURNING - MUSIC: DISCO INFERNO BY THE TRAMMPS
Grimey Drawer

MA-Horus posted:

Shako and red coats, anyone?

Can sergeants start carrying halberds again?

Hey, maybe the replacement rifle program for the Canadian Rangers would finally go through~

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

Canuck-Errant posted:

Hey, maybe the replacement rifle program for the Canadian Rangers would finally go through~

...and end up replacing the Enfield with Ishapores.

Vadoc
Dec 31, 2007

Guess who made waffles...


Refurbished Ross Rifles.

scaper exile
Feb 27, 2008

stevobob posted:

I don't get the Aviator thing. Privates don't aviate.

Air force privates do walk around with aviator sunglasses...it was a real thing in Borden back in 2009.

Canuck-Errant
Oct 28, 2003

MOOD: BURNING - MUSIC: DISCO INFERNO BY THE TRAMMPS
Grimey Drawer

Vadoc posted:

Refurbished Ross Rifles.

Snider-Enfields.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
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Generation Internet fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Apr 7, 2023

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011

Vadoc posted:

Refurbished Ross Rifles.

You know, as long as they put the bolt back together properly, that would be :canada: as gently caress.

And then something something Avro Arrow something something manly tears.

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

Generation Internet posted:

Minister Nicholson unveils new Brown Bess musket for Canadian Armed Forces

As part of the Government’s ongoing restoration of the Canadian Armed Forces’ distinctive service cultures and proud history, the Canadian Armed Forces will now use a new boomstick, enhancing the identity of Canada’s Armed Forces.

“Our Government is committed to strengthening the bonds between present day Canadian Armed Forces service members and their predecessors. I salute all members of the Canadian Armed Forces for restoring elements of their proud service traditions.”

The Honourable Rob Nicholson, P.C., Q.C., M.P. for Niagara Falls and Minister of National Defence.

Don't forget that CSOR needs it's own version:

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

Nobody's going to use it like that, there's not nearly enough stupid poo poo bolted to the rail.

Canuck-Errant
Oct 28, 2003

MOOD: BURNING - MUSIC: DISCO INFERNO BY THE TRAMMPS
Grimey Drawer
So, how about that new "mentoring program" the Air Force is implementing, huh?

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/taxpayers-to-fund-mentors-for-rcaf-generals-who-lack-expertise-and-social-skills

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.


Have we reached peak "Absurdist Comedy" yet?

I think we're pretty close.

Simkin
May 18, 2007

"He says he's going to be number one!"
They could always just head the problem at the pass and sign on all the retired generals at RMC to teach the future up-and-coming generals their social skills during their formative years... :rolleyes:

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

seniorleadership.txt posted:

Nonsense. I got treated like poo poo garbage for the first twenty years of my career, and that makes it my sworn duty to make sure these kids with their literacy and sensible career alternatives have it at least as bad as I did.

Sir John Eh
Feb 27, 2007
They say Rene Descartes was a drunken fart, but I should have that title

Simkin posted:

They could always just head the problem at the pass and sign on all the retired generals at RMC to teach the future up-and-coming generals their social skills during their formative years... :rolleyes:

They haven't quite sucked all the fun outta the place yet, by gum.

Simkin
May 18, 2007

"He says he's going to be number one!"
Taking bets now on whether an Air Mission TO END TERRORISM, GUYS. Like Seriously. Will equal :10bux: for new equipment/maintenance or not.

Sir John Eh
Feb 27, 2007
They say Rene Descartes was a drunken fart, but I should have that title
Well, its not like the navy needs money anymore. Maybe the jet guys can have some of that.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

I'm almost expecting an airframe loss from overstress.

You want dem shits to last beyond 2020? Good luck. We're gonna be strapping sidewinders to westjet 737s at this rate.

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Canuck-Errant
Oct 28, 2003

MOOD: BURNING - MUSIC: DISCO INFERNO BY THE TRAMMPS
Grimey Drawer

MA-Horus posted:

I'm almost expecting an airframe loss from overstress.

You want dem shits to last beyond 2020? Good luck. We're gonna be strapping sidewinders to westjet 737s at this rate.

Turning Air Canada Jazz planes into cruise missiles.

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