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Sanctions are working in the Russian non-performing loan market. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-22/ukraine-blowback-adds-to-bank-consumer-loan-woes-russia-credit.html Cheboksary, Russia, resident Sergey Danilov recently posted on the social network VKontakte pictures of one of his "trophies" from fighting in Ukraine. http://obozrevatel.com/crime/78130-terrorist-iz-rossii-pohvastalsya-chashkoj-iz-sbitogo-boinga.htm   
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Sanctions are working in the Russian non-performing loan market. Eh, it is probably more rising inflation versus stagnant wages. quote:Retail lending is suffering because expansion in the past four years wasn’t supported by an improvement in disposable income, according to Safarbakova of BCS. The increase in real Russian wages slowed to 1.4 percent in July and August, the least in more than three years. Sanctions obviously aren't helping, but much of the Russian economy hasn't actually been effected. While the Ruble has been hit, much of its recent loses seem to correspond to a dramatic decrease in oil prices, probably correlated with a crypto-recession in China and weak demand in Europe. Brent has gone from around $105 in June to $92 currently. That said, the war and general uncertainty have probably been at least partially a factor. However, it needs to be stressed that Russia is mostly a petrol-state, %54 of all exports are petrol related. To be honest, if you really want to see Russia in pain, hope for $50 a barrel oil.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Cheboksary, Russia, resident Sergey Danilov recently posted on the social network VKontakte pictures of one of his "trophies" from fighting in Ukraine. I think I might've said things like this quite a few times, and I'm sure some people, like MP and archaeo, will disagree with me on this. However, I think it has to be said: This man is a complete monster and a subhuman that has no right to live, let alone boast about his "trophies." If I ever see this man, I will kill him on the spot with my bare hands.
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Yo, gently caress this guy. Death to him and Putin.
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Finlander posted:I think I might've said things like this quite a few times, and I'm sure some people, like MP and archaeo, will disagree with me on this. However, I think it has to be said: Do you, like, have to register those hands as deadly weapons?
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Sep 22, 2014 16:16
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Bip Roberts posted:Do you, like, have to register those hands as deadly weapons?
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Sep 22, 2014 16:18
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Bip Roberts posted:Do you, like, have to register those hands as deadly weapons? I probably should, but the process seems like kind of a hassle. Besides, the life of an outlaw is the life for me. I'm hardcore like that, so much so I could totally take this hardened terrorist in a fistfight.
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If you want to go kill some dudes like him I'm sure there's people in Ukraine willing to sign you up. Keep us posted with a social media travelogue, I hear it's the local fashion.
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Finlander posted:I think I might've said things like this quite a few times, and I'm sure some people, like MP and archaeo, will disagree with me on this. However, I think it has to be said: It really upsets me to see so much constant blood lust in here. I'm not at all trying to defend the guy or his stupid trophy, but believe it or not, this person is a human being, just like you and I. In both the Middle East thread and this one I see a constant stream of comments that basically try to label groups of people as pests, bugs, inhuman, subhuman, and so forth. Maybe one day this guy will look back on his actions and realize how heartless it is to show off a trophy from an event where many people died for no reason, or maybe he won't. All of this blood for blood though - will never end, and it will only get worse, the more we refuse to see each other as human beings, and that somehow a rational response to behaviors like this is violence and to kill. I don't agree with this guys' actions but my first thought is not that he needs to die slow death at my hands. Again I really don't want to come off as a defender of people who do brutal things - but even people who do brutal things are still human, and we are usually motivated by rational thoughts and actions, even if they may seem very far from it for others. De-humanizing each other so it becomes easier to kill each other is just a path I don't ever want to go down. I wish anyone else that does would join me. It tends to feel like a really lonely path lately.
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Chickenhawks. Chickenhawks never change.
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Sunset posted:It really upsets me to see so much constant blood lust in here. I'm not at all trying to defend the guy or his stupid trophy, but believe it or not, this person is a human being, just like you and I. In both the Middle East thread and this one I see a constant stream of comments that basically try to label groups of people as pests, bugs, inhuman, subhuman, and so forth. Maybe one day this guy will look back on his actions and realize how heartless it is to show off a trophy from an event where many people died for no reason, or maybe he won't. All of this blood for blood though - will never end, and it will only get worse, the more we refuse to see each other as human beings, and that somehow a rational response to behaviors like this is violence and to kill. I don't agree with this guys' actions but my first thought is not that he needs to die slow death at my hands. I'll admit, I think I got angrier then I've every gotten in my life over this guy. I said something stupid, and I apologize for that. But still, you have to admit, god damnit, one of the guys responsible for the MH17 is, right now, just sitting back in his cozy home in Russia, where he'll never be prosecuted since he was fighting in Ukraine on Russian money in the first place, posting about his "trophies" on some Russian Facebook It's this absolute disregard and even hatred of human life, brought upon by god knows what kind of mental illness or propaganda, that's enough to drive a man insane just looking at it. loving Christ, just knowing that this guy is in the next country over, and that there's a whole bunch of them right there, waiting for the next time they get a chance to grab some more "trophies" in some Russian proxy war that's both sickening and terrifying in ways I couldn't even imagine before this conflict started.
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Finlander posted:I think I might've said things like this quite a few times, and I'm sure some people, like MP and archaeo, will disagree with me on this. However, I think it has to be said: He's a terrorist fighting in the bombed-out east of Ukraine. His life is not going to be easy, and his death will probably be unpleasant.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Sanctions are working in the Russian non-performing loan market. What a slimeball, he should be ashamed of himself.
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Majorian posted:He's a terrorist fighting in the bombed-out east of Ukraine. His life is not going to be easy, and his death will probably be unpleasant. Good to hear that he's not hiding out in Russia, at least. There's still a chance he'll get his comeuppance, then. StandardVC10 posted:What a slimeball, he should be ashamed of himself. If he survives, he'll probably get a medal.
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Finlander posted:Good to hear that he's not hiding out in Russia, at least. There's still a chance he'll get his comeuppance, then. Even if he does make it back to Russia, keep in mind, this is a country where the lifespan isn't exactly long and rates of suicide among men are high.
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Russia's like a schoolyard sociopath bully that's beating the poo poo out of little kid Ukraine. All the kids and teachers watch it happen every day at recess, but nobody's stepping in because they're afraid that if they do, Russia will bring his dad's gun to school the very next day and go nuts. Someone posted this poem already but gently caress, it's almost 100 years later and it's so relevant again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw94_r3LZas
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FlamingLiberal posted:How did that mug even survive the explosion that intact? Shouldn't be that hard to survive the explosion if it wasn't hit by one of the missile shrapnel directly. The crash to the ground not breaking it is a little more surprising. But hitting soft earth... maybe ceramics don't break when hitting something like that no matter how high they fall from.
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FlamingLiberal posted:How did that mug even survive the explosion that intact? Sergiu64 posted:Shouldn't be that hard to survive the explosion if it wasn't hit by one of the missile shrapnel directly. The crash to the ground not breaking it is a little more surprising. But hitting soft earth... maybe ceramics don't break when hitting something like that no matter how high they fall from. Alternatively, Putin is massively trolling the West by distributing Malaysian Airlines mugs as standard issue
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Pellisworth posted:Alternatively, Putin is massively trolling the West by distributing Malaysian Airlines mugs as standard issue Or he stole it from the plane when coming back from his last vacation 
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That mug could have been stored somewhere in a crate or something, with storage paper in it to cushion the fall.
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People in this thread sure are getting riled up over a dude posting pictures of a cup. I mean, it's not like he's posting pictures of a cup while holding a severed head in his other hand.
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Sergiu64 posted:Shouldn't be that hard to survive the explosion if it wasn't hit by one of the missile shrapnel directly. The crash to the ground not breaking it is a little more surprising. But hitting soft earth... maybe ceramics don't break when hitting something like that no matter how high they fall from. 3peat posted:http://www.independent.mk/articles/9527/Macedonian+Foreign+Ministry+Raises+Concerns+over+Ambassador+Baily%27s+Remarks
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Present posted:Russia's like a schoolyard sociopath bully that's beating the poo poo out of little kid Ukraine. All the kids and teachers watch it happen every day at recess, but nobody's stepping in because they're afraid that if they do, Russia will bring his dad's gun to school the very next day and go nuts. The problem is, there are no teachers in this analogy, the beating is taking place across the schoolyard, and the bully has a gun pointed at the little kid and you. You have a gun pointed at them too, though, so that's nice at least. e: Also, you're busy trying to take shots with the gun in your other hand at the ISIS terrorists in another corner of the schoolyard. 3peat posted:http://www.independent.mk/articles/9527/Macedonian+Foreign+Ministry+Raises+Concerns+over+Ambassador+Baily%27s+Remarks This is really weird, because they freaking are Slavs. What, do they want the rest of the world to recognize them as the direct descendants of Alexander or something? Majorian fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Sep 22, 2014 |
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ranbo das posted:People in this thread sure are getting riled up over a dude posting pictures of a cup. I mean, it's not like he's posting pictures of a cup while holding a severed head in his other hand. Cell phones and credit cards are confirmed to have been stolen from the crash site but this is the first time we've had been able to put a face to one of those scumbags who climbed over corpses to grab loot, even if it's something as inconsequential as a coffee mug, and now he's bragging about it like it's a trophy. I'm not as angry as a bunch of other people here but that dude is a piece of poo poo.
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FlamingLiberal posted:How did that mug even survive the explosion that intact? I know your avatar might make it seem otherwise, but things like airplanes filled with thousands of objects do not actually explode into flames and gibs on impact with the ground. Instead, things like skulls and mugs and baby's binkies often survive in quite good shape because of the vagaries of where a cushion is placed or where the impact shockwaves cancel each other out, or all sorts of chaotic factors of a complex system like this.
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3peat posted:hurts the feelings of the Macedonian people First time I've seen that phrase used by someone other than China
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Majorian posted:The problem is, there are no teachers in this analogy, the beating is taking place across the schoolyard, and the bully has a gun pointed at the little kid and you. You have a gun pointed at them too, though, so that's nice at least. Yes, please nitpick the analogy instead of focusing on the giant similarities to prove me wrong.
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Present posted:Yes, please nitpick the analogy instead of focusing on the giant similarities to prove me wrong. That's not nitpicking. You're making it seem like it's as simple as you marching over to the other side of the playground and kicking the bully's rear end. Unfortunately, it's not - trying to do that risks serious harm to the bullied kid and yourself. The same applies to the Ukraine crisis. So in both cases, if you want to get the bully to stop whaling on the kid, you're going to have to find another way to do it than direct physical confrontation.
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Present posted:Yes, please nitpick the analogy instead of focusing on the giant similarities to prove me wrong. Here is an analogy: everyone is waist deep in gasoline. Russia is behaving in a way we don't like, but the only weapon we have is a book of matches. edit: the moderate response is of course to only give Ukraine one
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As I mentioned earlier, we've been crowd-sourcing our investigation of the Buk that downed MH17 on Checkdesk. One eagle-eyed reader noted something we had missed.  The top image is from a video filmed in Russia showing a convoy heading to the Ukrainian border, showing the Buk we believed was seen in Ukraine (shown in the lower image). What we didn't notice before is both images have the same damage in the same position just above the treads, and this is further confirmation that these are in fact the same vehicles, and that the Russian's supplied the Buk used to down MH17.
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CoolCab posted:Here is an analogy: everyone is waist deep in gasoline. Russia is behaving in a way we don't like, but the only weapon we have is a book of matches. This is the better fitting analogy.
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Majorian posted:That's not nitpicking. You're making it seem like it's as simple as you marching over to the other side of the playground and kicking the bully's rear end. Unfortunately, it's not - trying to do that risks serious harm to the bullied kid and yourself. The same applies to the Ukraine crisis. So in both cases, if you want to get the bully to stop whaling on the kid, you're going to have to find another way to do it than direct physical confrontation. CoolCab posted:Here is an analogy: everyone is waist deep in gasoline. Russia is behaving in a way we don't like, but the only weapon we have is a book of matches. I'd love to watch you guys look into the eyes of a Ukrainian woman who has her son on the front lines right now and explain it to her. Yes mam, it's not Ukraine's fault, yes the Bucharest Memorandum is not worth the paper it's printed on, yes Putin's the aggressor, yes he's killing people, yes he's lying about it after brainwashing everyone, no we're not going to do much about it because of the gas and because he may be crazy enough to start launching nukes, possibly, sorry. Hope your son doesn't die!
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Present posted:I'd love to watch you guys look into the eyes of a Ukrainian woman who has her son on the front lines right now and explain it to her. Yes mam, it's not Ukraine's fault, yes the Bucharest Memorandum is not worth the paper it's printed on, yes Putin's the aggressor, yes he's killing people, yes he's lying about it after brainwashing everyone, no we're not going to do much about it because of the gas and because he may be crazy enough to start launching nukes, possibly, sorry. Hope your son doesn't die! In contrast, I would love to watch you guys look into the eyes of every human being and explain that sunlight and bread were nice and all, but there's something to be said for retaining our international commitments.
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Present posted:Russia's like a schoolyard sociopath bully that's beating the poo poo out of little kid Ukraine. All the kids and teachers watch it happen every day at recess, but nobody's stepping in because they're afraid that if they do, Russia will bring his dad's gun to school the very next day and go nuts. You missed the part where the teachers go on junkets where they talk about fighting bullying, and privately tell the victim if they fight back they will get suspended and lose their scholarship.
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CoolCab posted:In contrast, I would love to watch you guys look into the eyes of every human being and explain that sunlight and bread were nice and all, but there's something to be said for retaining our international commitments. Like the Bucharest Memorandum?
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Present posted:I'd love to watch you guys look into the eyes of a Ukrainian woman who has her son on the front lines right now and explain it to her. Yes mam, it's not Ukraine's fault, yes the Bucharest Memorandum is not worth the paper it's printed on, yes Putin's the aggressor, yes he's killing people, yes he's lying about it after brainwashing everyone, no we're not going to do much about it because of the gas and because he may be crazy enough to start launching nukes, possibly, sorry. Hope your son doesn't die! So what, exactly, do you propose we do? Do you think that same Ukrainian mother would feel positively about NATO sending in the troops? Are you somehow under the impression that NATO is widely viewed as a potential savior in Ukraine? Present posted:Like the Bucharest Memorandum? What, exactly, do you think we promised in the Bucharest Memorandum?
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Brown Moses posted:As I mentioned earlier, we've been crowd-sourcing our investigation of the Buk that downed MH17 on Checkdesk. One eagle-eyed reader noted something we had missed. Excellent eye that person has. Hey BM, do you think your crowd-sourcing folks could figure out this mystery? There's a German anonymous donor offering $30 million reward for the names of the people who shot down MH17. http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/mh17-30-millionen-dollar-fuer-hinweise-ueber-hintermaenner-ausgesetzt-a-992079.html
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Excellent eye that person has. Hey BM, do you think your crowd-sourcing folks could figure out this mystery? There's a German anonymous donor offering $30 million reward for the names of the people who shot down MH17. This part of the original article is particularly interesting: "Zudem heißt es: "Eine neue Identität wird auf Wunsch durch den bzw. die Auftraggeber zugesichert." Google translates that as " In addition, it says: "A new identity is assured on request by the client or the."" So, not only can you earn $30 million, you can get a new identity too? Sounds like a bad war novel.
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