garth ferengi posted:

Hi I made a suggestion thread on the official dominions four forums please chip in if you feel you have anything to add

http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/dear-illwinter-please-make-your-game-less-sexist

amuayse posted:

Well it can be argued that the Witch Kings aren't exactly human.
The Amazons and Shadow Vestals having less HP than your average militia does seem a bit weird though. EA Ulm's women have above average stats so it might just be an oversight.

Smerdyakov posted:

This is a clear violation of our implicit "don't touch the poop" policy. That said, shadow vestals could use buffs and more female units would make the humanoid nation lineups a lot less monotonous. Most mythology is sexist from its point of origin so loyalty to source material in stuff like the sacrifice of virgins doesn't bother me,

Turin Turambar posted:

I always imagined that given the industrial amounts of virgin sacrifices in Dominions, the virgins were from both sexes.

TurinTurambar posted:

This argument "Making a fantastical game and then purposefully, specifically going in and making women in it weaker is kind of really lovely. It's not the 50s anymore, and there's no place for it. " doesn't hold up in any way. Just because something is fantastical doesn't mean anything goes: Why limit yourself then to only 2 sexes? Why don't have four genres in their fictional society? Why have humans with just 2 legs? Why have gravity? Why people have to eat? and gold being income? Maybe in that fantastic world economy should work in a totally different way! It's fantasy, anything can be done! Why limit yourself so much then?
The answer is that even fantastical tales and games they are done with real history and our real society in mind. And as unrealistic they are, usually a semblance of verisimilitude is maintained. Part of that verisimiltude is that sexes work mostly like ours sexes, and females are less prone to physical aggression (male hormones are a hell of a drug) and have less physical build. Therefore the female Centaur are skilled but not as fierce.
And because it's a medieval setting, with primitive armor, weapons, transport systems, etc, that extra aggression and physical build makes war a job more adequate for the males, making most units males. Like... it happened in reality, you know. It wasn't a patriarchy conspiracy, it was more efficient in our evolution.

And Shadow Vestals have less strength... but more more defense. Aren't you biased looking only for weakness and not strengths? If you are assigning weakness to their genre, can't we assign the high defense (high skill) also to their genre?

Turin Turambar posted:

To compensate, Shadow Vestals has a kickass defense. We can imagine their training being focused in that and not in lifting weights.

Flame112 posted:

You can see blood slaves in battle though. They're all chicks.

akulanization posted:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Holy poo poo, you make a post saying that having approximately equal str scores and hp across the few nations that have gender differences would be as strange for you as turning off gravity, and have the balls to post in this thread.

Turin Turambar posted:

... yeah, I said it was exactly the same. Literally.
Or maybe I was making an argument extrapolating it to the extreme using the same logic, showing how it can be faulty.

And in the same thread, I also say the hp difference should be fixed, which you didn't quote.

akulanization posted:

No you said, "When you make the women equal, WHEN DOES IT END. MAYBE NO GRAVITY, MAYBE NO EATING." That's calling making women as strong as men as fundamentally strange for you as if the world had no gravity, or if people didn't need to eat. You directly equated strong females with a world without gravity or humans with more than two legs. I mean anyone can read your post, it's in black and white, I don't have to argue with you 'cause you already look like a fool.

EDIT CAUSE TURIN TURAMBAR EDITED: Oh, I see, you were being sarcastic...I said it was a simile BTW since I said you were comparing the two (this is what a simile does). Here is a metaphor for you, "When he saw the shadow vestal's ten strength, Turin Turambar felt like gravity had failed to keep him tethered to the ground."

Turin Turambar posted:

Do you really believe I was saying that? Lol. It's up there, I won't edit it or anything, people can read it and also judge.
I don't have a problem with women being equal in a fantasy setting. I was just explaining how, in the case someone makes a fantasy setting, you can't be surprised if lots of things from the real world are translated into the fantasy one, from trivial to complex things, even if they aren't really needed, even if you have total freedom to design a different human society. You can disregard the gravity comment if you want.

But hey, 10/10 sarcasm and use of caps. Though 2/10 in reading comprehension.

Turin Turambar posted:

This argument "Making a fantastical game and then purposefully, specifically going in and making women in it weaker is kind of really lovely. It's not the 50s anymore, and there's no place for it. " doesn't hold up in any way. Just because something is fantastical doesn't mean anything goes: Why limit yourself then to only 2 sexes? Why don't have four genres in their fictional society? Why have humans with just 2 legs? Why have gravity? Why people have to eat? and gold being income? Maybe in that fantastic world economy should work in a totally different way! It's fantasy, anything can be done! Why limit yourself so much then?
The answer is that even fantastical tales and games they are done with real history and our real society in mind. And as unrealistic they are, usually a semblance of verisimilitude is maintained. Part of that verisimiltude is that sexes work mostly like ours sexes, and females are less prone to physical aggression (male hormones are a hell of a drug) and have less physical build. Therefore the female Centaur are skilled but not as fierce.

scalded schlong posted:

Women should get different old-age penalties from men, to represent hot flushes.

Malachite_Dragon posted:

Sweet Jesus it's a video game, who gives a poo poo what gender the pixel people I'm throwing into the horrible grinder of death are. If it's so drat important just play Ermor, skeletons only have one gender: dead.

Agent Kool-Aid posted:

yeah, the game makes it pretty clear that they're all ~young, virginal women~ instead of the dudes wearing fedoras and jorts they should totally be instead

also, lol at the above

Malachite_Dragon posted:

Sweet Jesus it's a video game, who gives a poo poo what gender the pixel people I'm throwing into the horrible grinder of death are. If it's so drat important just play Ermor, skeletons only have one gender: dead.

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2014-09-21 20:34:23 +0200
New ability: Poisonous Skin
Units target random squares in battle more often
Spell name change: Blood Vengeance -> Damage Reversal
Coastal income bonus info bug fix
Heat-/Coldrec 0 now possible
Scrying from sites was broken
Typos
Squad size not updated after 'remove unable units'
Heart Finding effect now an internal damage

2014-09-21 12:48:11 +0200
MA Xibalba units and descriptions
Xploss for zhayedan
Zhayedan strat move 3 -> 2
Changes to Erinyas weapons
Wild Hunt conj 9 -> 7
Kindly Ones conj 9 -> 8

amuayse posted:

Modpud, you could've just posted in the bug thread and said that Amazons and Vestals having less hp/strength than a militia is weird.

amuayse posted:

Huh, Legion of Gods can appear as a throne pretender. Weird.

amuayse posted:

Turin Turambar posted:

I don't have a problem with women being equal in a fantasy setting. I was just explaining how, in the case someone makes a fantasy setting, you can't be surprised if lots of things from the real world are translated into the fantasy one

Malachite_Dragon posted:

Sweet Jesus it's a video game, who gives a poo poo what gender the pixel people I'm throwing into the horrible grinder of death are. If it's so drat important just play Ermor, skeletons only have one gender: dead.

amuayse posted:

Actually everything in the game is male unless proven otherwise with the female tag.
For example, you could conceivably seduce a Cthugul with a Dryad, but not Mother Hydra.

akulanization posted:

Here is a metaphor for you, "When he saw the shadow vestal's ten strength, Turin Turambar felt like gravity had failed to keep him tethered to the ground."

akulanization posted:

In what sense? Spells and mages are about 90% of dominions strategy, so narrowing that down some would be helpful.

pokie posted:

Well, I am a total noob (just read a bunch of LPs), and the magic system is hardly self-explanatory. Spell descriptions do not seem very accurate or useful. Getting an idea of what's what in the giant spell list would be great.

Malachite_Dragon posted:

Sweet Jesus it's a video game, who gives a poo poo what gender the pixel people I'm throwing into the horrible grinder of death are. If it's so drat important just play Ermor, skeletons only have one gender: dead.