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jassi007 posted:Rabble master t3 sori to is pretty good. Throw in a blood soaked champion As is T3 Brimaz T4 Sorin, or a T4 Siege Rhino into T5 Sorin.
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mcmagic posted:How are they not taking a loss on that? I came is second place out of a 50 person release and only got 12 packs... At $25 entry and taking into consideration the prize support wizards provides, we made maybe a dollar per person. It was the sales during the 7 hour event where we made money.
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Sep 23, 2014 01:17
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Angry Grimace posted:Interesting that Sorin went to $25 overnight. So happy I bought in for £5 each (So $8-10?). Planning to slip him into MarduKing, with Ajani Steadfast reserved for a Mardu Butcher build. Being able to turn Rabblemaster into a 5/3 First Strike Vigilance Lifelink seems pretty fun. Or Butcher into a 6/6 with 4 keywords minimum. Both he and Ajani seem well placed for Mardu/Abzan plans of Aggro or Midrange respectively.
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Sep 23, 2014 01:23
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FYI/FWIW, instead of removing cool fun cards from MTGO cube, Wizards should loving take out Crucible of Worlds, whose only use ever is by the guy who also gets Strip Mine and makes his opponent's life miserable with the stupidest lock in all of magic. GOd dammit
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Sep 23, 2014 01:38
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MiddleEastBeast posted:FYI/FWIW, instead of removing cool fun cards from MTGO cube, Wizards should loving take out Crucible of Worlds, whose only use ever is by the guy who also gets Strip Mine and makes his opponent's life miserable with the stupidest lock in all of magic. GOd dammit Hehe, a spike combo to be sure, but, cube's all about broken stuff.
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Sep 23, 2014 01:41
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MiddleEastBeast posted:FYI/FWIW, instead of removing cool fun cards from MTGO cube, Wizards should loving take out Crucible of Worlds, whose only use ever is by the guy who also gets Strip Mine and makes his opponent's life miserable with the stupidest lock in all of magic. GOd dammit That combo is utterly dead against hard aggro though, so it's not like it's a huge deal to have exist.
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Sep 23, 2014 01:41
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I Love You! posted:That combo is utterly dead against hard aggro though, so it's not like it's a huge deal to have exist. Last time I checked, except for the one guy possibly drafting Mono Red, cube isn't dominated by hard aggro
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Sep 23, 2014 01:44
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mcmagic posted:I do think that deck will be played a lot, I'm just a little worried about all their 2/1 trying to attack into a bunch of Courser's and Caryatids. Generally that deck doesn't run Soldier of the Pantheon. I love the card and tested it like crazy, but: 1) The deck is MUCH heavier black and red than white, so it's harder for the manabase to support T1 Soldier 2) The protection isn't super relevant since almost all of the good removal is monocolored, you don't want to be holding a dude back to block, and you're usually attacking with tons of little dudes so they have to let someone through anyways 3) He's not a Warrior and so is not buffed by Chief of the Edge That number 3 is a much bigger deal than you might expect. Chief is HUGE because he means that Bloodsoaked Champion, Tormented Hero and Mardu Skullhunter all eat Caryatid and War-Name Aspirant and Rabblemaster with just one Goblin eat Coursers. Chief is by far the best two-drop for Mardu (and is a big part of the reason why Valley Dasher doesn't make the cut, along with Horde Ambusher, Gurmag Swiftclaw and Jeering Instigator).
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Sep 23, 2014 01:46
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Honestly the biggest problem for aggro decks is Siege Rhino. That card is a complete and utter pain in the rear end for them. It's 3 mana removal spell or bust against him, and even then the lifegain still happened.
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Sep 23, 2014 02:05
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A big flaming stink posted:Honestly the biggest problem for aggro decks is Siege Rhino. That card is a complete and utter pain in the rear end for them. It's 3 mana removal spell or bust against him, and even then the lifegain still happened. Well you can still have 2 Bloodsoaked Champions swinging in every turn. That card's so sweet.
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Sep 23, 2014 02:07
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The Abzan Rhino deck has a lot of incidental lifegain through Courser, Sorin, Rhino, etc. A good thing too, since it runs a ton of Thoughtseize, Fetches, Pain/Confluence lands, etc.
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Sep 23, 2014 02:14
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Ajani's pridemate might actually be a useful card with all the lifegain in abzan.
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Sep 23, 2014 02:16
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mcmagic posted:I do think that deck will be played a lot, I'm just a little worried about all their 2/1 trying to attack into a bunch of Courser's and Caryatids. I was in a playtest with a group of 4 today and I have to say mono black aggro is really looking a lot stronger than I expected. 1-2x boon of erobos, 2-3x bile blight, 1-2x hall of triump, and the standard 4x thoughtsieze/downfall seems to really support the creatures on curve really well and leave my opponent nervous to block. 12x one drops plus the mixed amounts of bestow creatures seem to just be so aggressive that its winning at a really high percentage. Just the type of deck to that loves to watch temples and painlands hit the board.
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Sep 23, 2014 02:20
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Angry Grimace posted:The Abzan Rhino deck has a lot of incidental lifegain through Courser, Sorin, Rhino, etc. A good thing too, since it runs a ton of Thoughtseize, Fetches, Pain/Confluence lands, etc. Yeah I don't see how the next 3 months of standard isn't just Abzan Midrange decks locking rhino horns into each other repeatedly.
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Sep 23, 2014 02:33
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So why the hell is Mana Crypt allowed in EDH? It seems like the most busted thing imaginable, it's literally better than Sol Ring
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Sep 23, 2014 02:37
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TheKingofSprings posted:So why the hell is Mana Crypt allowed in EDH? It seems like the most busted thing imaginable, it's literally better than Sol Ring I have no idea why EDH is the way it is. A lot of the cards that are allowed to roam freely are much worse than what they already banned out. I have always felt cyclonic rift needed to get the can for example.
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Sep 23, 2014 03:10
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TheKingofSprings posted:So why the hell is Mana Crypt allowed in EDH? It seems like the most busted thing imaginable, it's literally better than Sol Ring because sheldon likes using it in his deck (along with his sol ring).
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Sep 23, 2014 03:33
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The funniest one has to be how a number of cards are banned because of their interaction with Deadeye Navigator, yet Deadeye Navigator itself isn't the thing that's banned. I mean, it is a hell of a lot of fun, but come on.
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Sep 23, 2014 03:47
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A big flaming stink posted:Honestly the biggest problem for aggro decks is Siege Rhino. That card is a complete and utter pain in the rear end for them. It's 3 mana removal spell or bust against him, and even then the lifegain still happened. Hitting a Siege Rhino with Ride Down is going to be the #1 Mardu Feelgood of the next Standard season. ride down is an absolutely absurd card
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Sep 23, 2014 04:03
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Hitting a Siege Rhino with Ride Down is going to be the #1 Mardu Feelgood of the next Standard season. It's also a pretty dead card against aggro matchups.
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Sep 23, 2014 04:06
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MiddleEastBeast posted:Yeah I don't see how the next 3 months of standard isn't just Abzan Midrange decks locking rhino horns into each other repeatedly. Mardu aggro and Mono-black aggro strategies are pretty good, though, not to mention the Temur midrange deck. I'm not really sure if there's a dominant control strategy that's been figured out by or made available to the community yet. I'm sure one will show up though.
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Sep 23, 2014 04:18
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Is it possible to make Abzan work without Elspeth? Or do I need to just bite the bullet and buy a couple?
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Sep 23, 2014 04:21
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Once you play one Elspeth you'll probably wonder how you ever lived without casting her.
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Sep 23, 2014 04:22
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Nemico posted:Once you play one Elspeth you'll probably wonder how you ever lived without casting her. I played Not-White for a year.
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Sep 23, 2014 04:25
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YorexTheMad posted:Is it possible to make Abzan work without Elspeth? Or do I need to just bite the bullet and buy a couple? You could give Garruk, Apex Predator a try, but its not exactly cheaper (either CMC or $$).
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Sep 23, 2014 04:34
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TheKingofSprings posted:So why the hell is Mana Crypt allowed in EDH? It seems like the most busted thing imaginable, it's literally better than Sol Ring I think the idea is that in a protracted, 5+ player game, 2 extra mana doesn't matter that much in the long run. It is banned in French EDH, anyway.
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Sep 23, 2014 04:44
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This is one of the only coin flip designs I don't hate. Probably because you're not paying too dearly for losing the flip and the upside's great.
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Sep 23, 2014 05:01
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TheKingofSprings posted:It's also a pretty dead card against aggro matchups. Yeah, I mainboard 0 and sideboard 4. It comes in when people are trying to stall me out with fatties. Mainboard removal suite for my Mardu build is 2x Downfall 2x Mardu Charm 4x Ulcerate. This is my build: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/14-09-14-hhK-mardu-aggro/
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Sep 23, 2014 05:14
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This was the dumbest coin flip card to play with: "You know, if you don't want to play magic you can just tell me." Babylon Astronaut fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Sep 23, 2014 |
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Sep 23, 2014 05:21
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Babylon Astronaut posted:This was the dumbest coin flip card to play with: 1) Turn six Amulet of Quoz 2) Turn seven Platinum Archangel 3) PROFIT
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Sep 23, 2014 05:24
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YorexTheMad posted:Is it possible to make Abzan work without Elspeth? Or do I need to just bite the bullet and buy a couple? If you're playing any flavor of midrange and have lands that produce white mana, I don't see how you can't jam Elspeth.
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Sep 23, 2014 05:50
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Babylon Astronaut posted:This was the dumbest coin flip card to play with: Best art, though. I have one lying around somewhere.
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Sep 23, 2014 06:09
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MiddleEastBeast posted:If you're playing any flavor of midrange and have lands that produce white mana, I don't see how you can't jam Elspeth. I think you have the question backwards. They want to not use El speth. It is indeed true that Elsepth goes in every white deck that plans to have not won by turn 5.
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So studying the set more it seems Wingmate Roc really is a tailor made anti-Elspeth card. She comes down, +1s. Your turn, attack with something, play Roc. Her turn she +1s again. Your turn you attack with both birds, gain some life to offset the tokens chipping away at you, and exactly kill her. It's a 5-CMC answer that leaves a huge threat behind (6/8 flyer). She can't get rid of them either. I think between the Roc and War-Name Aspirant every clan but Sultai has a solid creature-based answer to her. Sultai has Downfall, I guess.
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Everyone has an answer to Elspeth with scuttlebutt engine, the coolest card of m15. Wish that thing got more play.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:So studying the set more it seems Wingmate Roc really is a tailor made anti-Elspeth card. She comes down, +1s. Your turn, attack with something, play Roc. Her turn she +1s again. Your turn you attack with both birds, gain some life to offset the tokens chipping away at you, and exactly kill her. It's a 5-CMC answer that leaves a huge threat behind (6/8 flyer). She can't get rid of them either.
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Sep 23, 2014 06:46
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Should I buy likely looking rares now or wait? I can get Siege Rhino or Bloodsoaked Champ for £3 or so and Sorin for £10. Think Rhino might go up, champion I have no idea. Will fetches just kill the value of everything else?
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Actually right now, I'm surprised how high the non-fetch rares are selling. I think on average they will stay the same, but some will go up and some will go down as people figure out which of them have a deck. Sorin seems high. 20 USD is normal for pre-release planeswalkers before we figure out how they work in the standard. At the end of the day, the question is how badly do you want to play standard constructed right now because picking winners seems hit or miss right now. Look at how badly rabblemaster was undervalued.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Should I buy likely looking rares now or wait? I can get Siege Rhino or Bloodsoaked Champ for £3 or so and Sorin for £10. Think Rhino might go up, champion I have no idea. Will fetches just kill the value of everything else?
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BizarroAzrael posted:By the wording of Sorin's +1, does it apply to creatures that come under your control after it's activated? It only applies to creatures you control at the time it resolves. quote:611.2c. If a continuous effect generated by the resolution of a spell or ability modifies the characteristics or changes the controller of any objects, the set of objects it affects is determined when that continuous effect begins. After that point, the set won't change. . . .
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