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Fangz posted:You people are taking some guy's choice of 3D graphics package waaay too seriously. "Here's something this guy could do to improve the product he's putting out" "Whoa, you guys are being too serious about this!" Yasser Arafatwa posted:I dunno, you could probably give him the industry best animation suite and tools and he'd still kludge something incredibly mediocre together at best, because he doesn't have the training or skills to produce a quality product. Ideally he'd take the money he's making from this terrible show and invest them in some art and animation classes. Hell if nothing else, a course on the latest version of Poser so he isn't further hamstringing his efforts. Even tho using something besides Poser would probably be a net gain for the animation, I think it'd still suffer from clunky direction and poor choreography even if it wound up being technically better. Srice fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Sep 23, 2014 |
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Hbomberguy posted:This is basically it. Monty Oum is the ultimate anime fanboy, and by appreciating 'his work', viewers are vicariously appreciating themselves. This is why relatively straightforward critique ("mutilating your tools and purposefully using a worse version of a software is not good practice") is being imagined as school bullies (with mental disorders, because why not?) picking on a kid in the cafeteria. While the kid is technically Monty Oum, The Oumchild is a stand-in for everyone else who appreciates anime in his very specific way, but didn't ever get the chance to make it themselves. Interesting side-point: Oum is treated as if a frail child, even in the imaginations of those who like him. This is telling. This is my favorite post in this forum.
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So Monty Oum is the anime fandom's markedly less-charismatic Kevin Smith? The thing about the visuals is that the show basically sells itself entirely on that premise. The pretty artwork they get commissioned for promo materials, Monty's previous work being just a prolonged fight scene that never ends with even less plot than a SNES street fighter game, and even fans defending it by saying "well I watch it for the cool fights" which last season only made up maybe less than a quarter of the content at best. Even the aspect of the show that is supposedly its entire selling point is a failure. Software aside, things like having hands clipping through clothes or objects is just laziness, you can just change the path of animation and poses when you see that problem, but they don't bother. For a while I wasn't sure if RWBY was a cynical "people will eat it up who gives a poo poo haha" cash grab, or incompetent fanboyism given the reins of production. And honestly I still have trouble deciding.
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Kabanaw posted:It's not really understandable. Making a production isn't a loving speedrun. It's okay to be slow and methodical while working! You make less mistakes and it gives you more time to think about your actions, maybe reconsider how a scene should be set or how a certain animation could look better. I thought that scene was them saying, "Look, we're a small team. This is what to expect animation wise in non-fight scenes. If you don't like it, you should watch something else because it'll waste your time otherwise." I got a chuckle out of it and continued watching. Part of the charm of the show is that it feels very amateur. If they wanted to conceal how bad their animation is, they could avoid scenes that show off how bad it is. They don't, so we get to spot animation errors and feel smug and superior.
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They're a group that has been making various things for what, like a decade? They're not some indie group and the credits show that a fair amount of people are involved with the production. Their efforts aren't amateurish at all, these are paid professionals putting out a product in order to make money. That they're doing a piss-poor job with the quality doesn't make it amateur work.
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Sep 24, 2014 03:03
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RWBY probably has a larger budget and staff than most anime productions. It's a professionally produced product, it's not just Monty animating stuff by himself in a basement.
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Hbomberguy posted:This is why relatively straightforward critique... is being imagined as school bullies... with mental disorders... picking on a kid in the cafeteria...  So the same criticisms keep rolling in. If I tallied them up, itemized and added them to the OP would that help people to chill out just a bit? If this thread must become a support group for people who feel... no, can objectively prove that they/the world/creativity/competency has been fundamentally wronged by Monty Oum or those that find something to appreciate in his projects... yeah, I can't do a drat thing to stop you. Keep at it. You're doing great.  I might be crazy for thinking this is all being taken way too seriously and way too far, 'cause I'm just looking to occasionally talk about this stupid show that I like watching.
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Redcrimson posted:RWBY probably has a larger budget and staff than most anime productions. It's a professionally produced product, it's not just Monty animating stuff by himself in a basement. Which is actually more damning. Ferretts posted:If this thread must become a support group for people who feel... no, can objectively prove that they/the world/creativity/competency has been fundamentally wronged by Monty Oum or those that find something to appreciate in his projects... yeah, I can't do a drat thing to stop you. Keep at it. You're doing great. Yo, this right here? This sanctimonious poo poo? Shove it up your rear end. It's some weak poo poo, it's the same kind of garbage as "well have you created anything", it's shifting blame onto other people for daring to use that lump of matter inside their loving skull instead of just blindly shoveling garbage into their mouth and then defending their choice to eat garbage by saying everyone else is wrong for calling garbage trash. gently caress you, and gently caress everyone else who keeps doing this bullshit, all three or four of you. If you want to defend it, loving defend it, stop doing this pussy "You guys are all just a bunch of mean jerks trying to tear down Monty" horseshit and offer up an actual loving defense. Now please let's get back to discussing the banal, poorly animated tripe that is RWBY, because that's a thing that can loving sustain a conversation. BENGHAZI 2 fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Your post is kinda unreadable. You don't like a dude being snarky over other peoples snarky comments? For my part I'm criticizing people drawing wildly unsupported conclusions about someones mental state, whom they've never met based on him removing a couple of keys from his keyboard? 'You' don't like him allegedly bragging about it as a point he uses to advance the show? Fine whatever, but claiming it a sign of mental illness is atrocious and we're better than that, its no better than the people who tweet Burnie that he should fire [Insert Employee Here] for [Offense of the Week Here].
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Raenir Salazar posted:Your post is kinda unreadable. You don't like a dude being snarky over other peoples snarky comments? For my part I'm criticizing people drawing wildly unsupported conclusions about someones mental state, whom they've never met based on him removing a couple of keys from his keyboard? 'You' don't like him allegedly bragging about it as a point he uses to advance the show? Fine whatever, but claiming it a sign of mental illness is atrocious and we're better than that, its no better than the people who tweet Burnie that he should fire [Insert Employee Here] for [Offense of the Week Here]. No, I don't like his garbage loving defense of "Good job, guys, you said mean things, what a bunch of douchebags AM I RIGHT???" instead of growing a pair and standing up for himself and the things he likes. If you're going to say something about people talking poo poo, say something, don't just do this pissy bullshit where you whine about how mean people are.
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If I use the RWBY template to make fanfiction, does that count as creating something?
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Level Slide posted:If I use the RWBY template to make fanfiction, does that count as creating something? That depends on which characters you're going to have fall in love with each other. Which characters are you going to have fall in love with each other?
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Literally The Worst posted:No, I don't like his garbage loving defense of "Good job, guys, you said mean things, what a bunch of douchebags AM I RIGHT???" instead of growing a pair and standing up for himself and the things he likes. If you're going to say something about people talking poo poo, say something, don't just do this pissy bullshit where you whine about how mean people are. How easy do you think it is to satisfy the sensibilities of all the perspectives and personalities posting on this thread? Not possible? If it is possible, it's not worth the time to perfectly formulate the words that can't possibly be misinterpreted or misrepresented by anyone else. As for my defense. I've mentioned it before. I recognize the problems. I'm not blind or stupid. But I'm not going to convince you that Ruby's little exchange with Jaune over the punch bowl was a solid start to the last episode, and I'm not going to try. Your focus is elsewhere. It's not wrong. It's yours. I'm focusing on things that I can like. I see the awful animation scenes, but I guess I've grown a thick skin for this. You're also probably not going to convince me to drop it. So let's just call this a matter of taste (yeah yeah... bad taste, got it). But still. So I'm an rear end in a top hat... you're an rear end in a top hat... but this is the internet so it really ain't that at all. And I just can't help it so... Keep firing assholes!
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CrazySalamander posted:I thought that scene was them saying, "Look, we're a small team. This is what to expect animation wise in non-fight scenes. If you don't like it, you should watch something else because it'll waste your time otherwise." I got a chuckle out of it and continued watching. Part of the charm of the show is that it feels very amateur. If they wanted to conceal how bad their animation is, they could avoid scenes that show off how bad it is. They don't, so we get to spot animation errors and feel smug and superior. But this isn't poo poo that's hard to fix! You can just hide the rendering handles! This isn't a matter of not having the resources to do so, this is a matter of going so fast that these mistakes slip through and then being so loose with QA that nobody catches the mistakes until it's too late to reasonably fix. Which is also silly, because RWBY is done in a live engine which means it can be redone in real-time! RWBY's animation woes aren't because of their small team size, it's because of how little they care about quality.
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Ferretts posted:How easy do you think it is to satisfy the sensibilities of all the perspectives and personalities posting on this thread? Not possible? If it is possible, it's not worth the time to perfectly formulate the words that can't possibly be misinterpreted or misrepresented by anyone else. Cool so stop doing the sanctimonious horseshit like you're so loving put upon because people are discussing how the thing you enjoy is garbage.
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Literally The Worst posted:Cool so stop doing the sanctimonious horseshit like you're so loving put upon because people are discussing how the thing you enjoy is garbage. I can make no such promises.
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Ferretts posted:I can make no such promises. "Guys guys I know I'm eating trash, okay, I udnerstand that it's dirt and worms but the loving CANS are so tasty man, I wish you would stop talking bad about trash just because it's literal refuse, you sure are big men making GBS threads on trash, I bet you've never thrown anything out in your life." Seriously dude, nobody really cares that you like it. It's the high horse that's infuriating. Dont' be all self-righteous about liking garbage especially if you're not even going to bother defending it. BENGHAZI 2 fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Literally The Worst posted:Seriously dude, nobody really cares that you like it. Well a few are getting plenty worked up over something, that's for sure.
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Ferretts posted:Well a few are getting plenty worked up over something, that's for sure. Yes over the show being bad. Because it is. This doesn't make it an attack on you or even about you (please note I've never called you out for liking it, only for doing this smug horseshit like you're so much better than the people complaining) and you conveniently managed to not actually address my point do kudos to you for continuing the mealy mouthed bullshit for babies who can't handle the things they like being criticized.
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Literally The Worst posted:Yes over the show being bad. Because it is. This doesn't make it an attack on you or even about you (please note I've never called you out for liking it, only for doing this smug horseshit like you're so much better than the people complaining) and you conveniently managed to not actually address my point do kudos to you for continuing the mealy mouthed bullshit for babies who can't handle the things they like being criticized. I'm probably missinterpretting this like everything else here ever, but if you're admitting to being made angry because a show is bad, you might reflect on that for a bit. 
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Sep 24, 2014 06:45
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No wonder you think RWBY has good writing.
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Command Ant posted:That depends on which characters you're going to have fall in love with each other. I've only gotten as far as the colors. Rafflesia red and pineapple yellow. The pineapple bit is important, because apparently there's another pretty important yellow already in the series, but he's the sort of yellow like the skin color of someone with a failing liver. Important distinction.
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My fan-RWBY is Pu Braun, she's half Asian half German, her weapons are Sais that are also guns, and her special power is wind control. Level Slide, is it alright with you if I use your OCs in a cameo in my RWBY fanfic, The Southern Sword? You can use mine in your fanfic if you want.
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So, animation aside. The acting and writing are pretty drat subpar. I guess we can't blame those two things on Monty Oum, right? Because I think there are three people writing this show.
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Literally The Worst posted:"Guys guys I know I'm eating trash, okay, I udnerstand that it's dirt and worms but the loving CANS are so tasty man, I wish you would stop talking bad about trash just because it's literal refuse, you sure are big men making GBS threads on trash, I bet you've never thrown anything out in your life." This is my favourite post in this entire forum. I've typed enough  about weird nerd pathologies in this thread already but, like, people are eating poo poo, claiming they know it is poo poo, then saying 'let's put it up to taste  '. Ferretts is going all puppetmaster by claiming my posts are 'well thought-out' (but you see, it is sarcasm!) and faux-laughing at people getting annoyed by his awkward defenses of a show he likes. Good thread, rating five.e: I mean seriously, you gave the thread such a cautiously-worded self-conscious title but then decry real discussion of the show's quality or criticisms (some of which are over the top, I agree, Monty Oum is not an actual lunatic). Defend the show with the critical faculties that led you to like it enough to make a thread about it. Come on. Please. If I can go the whole hog with defending Kill La Kill, you can defend your favourite titninja fightshow as well. e2: My RWBY fan-character has a sad past that makes her sad sometimes. But not too sad that she can't take part in the witty hijinks! She miscarried. Hbomberguy fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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my RWBY OC is actually a Grimm in disguise because Grimms are actually really sentient and just misunderstood. I gave up on season 2 after the first 'episode', but Grimm hunting is still a thing in the show right? Surely it wasn't some random plot device created to justify fights at the start and then completely forgotten about when the plot jumped to something entirely different.
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Neeksy posted:So, animation aside. The acting and writing are pretty drat subpar. I guess we can't blame those two things on Monty Oum, right? Because I think there are three people writing this show. Miles and Kerry are the scriptwriters, with input from Monty, but I think the real problem there is the script editors aren't telling them "no" nearly as much as they should. Miles is also head writer on RvB, which, while middling, is still much better than RWBY's. The difference is in the editors.
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Ferretts posted:How easy do you think it is to satisfy the sensibilities of all the perspectives and personalities posting on this thread? Not possible? If it is possible, it's not worth the time to perfectly formulate the words that can't possibly be misinterpreted or misrepresented by anyone else. If it's worth the time to formulate petty, indirect insults, it's worth the time to defend something that you like. You can start by dropping the fallacies though, just because the bad animation/acting/script has been brought up a million times does not mean it's irrelevant.
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I mean, you can't please everybody. Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks! *eats turd flavoured ice cream*
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Hbomberguy posted:I mean, you can't please everybody. Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks! *eats turd flavoured ice cream* I didn't like Kill la Kill because it was a skeevy 'monster-of-the-week', and Satsuki's eyebrows were bigger than the Nintendo Home Entertainment System. Come at me Although you'll at least address the criticisms I have with the show, rather than shout out how there needs to be a support group for people that don't like what you like.
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I gotta admit I'm a bit perplexed here. If you don't want to discuss a show because you can't satisfy everyone with your opinion, why make a thread in the first place? Like you said, it's all a matter of taste anyways, so why not back that up with some arguments about the show's merits instead of talking about how you can't please everyone? Be stronger with your convictions, I say! Srice fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Sep 24, 2014 14:22
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If I make a fan episode using Maya or something, does it still count as RWBY?
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I want to say this is the most entertaining thread in ADTRW, right now. It is like reading the D&D forum intertwined with the most asinine parts of TVIV. 
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AlternateNu posted:I want to say this is the most entertaining thread in ADTRW, right now. It is like reading the D&D forum intertwined with the most asinine parts of TVIV. Level Slide posted:If I make a fan episode using Maya or something, does it still count as RWBY? HiveCommander posted:I didn't like Kill la Kill because it was a skeevy 'monster-of-the-week', and Satsuki's eyebrows were bigger than the Nintendo Home Entertainment System.
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Really, I think the word "titninja" is the best neologism to come out of SA this year. "What's this season's lineup of new titninja shows, Bob?" It's great.
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from what i can tell the RWBY fanbase is 12 year old boys who love it and 16-20 year old women who hate it
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I'm working on Team LWNY, but so far I only have Wemwe Duff with more of an earth-tones color scheme. He wields a blunderbuss/full silverware set and is scarcely noticed by others except for his rhotacism... until the day he murders Velvet.
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Endorph posted:also the name = color thing makes sense but how many four letters acronyms that also mean colors can you possibly make My RWBY team has the colors Blue Ultramarine Teal and Taupe.
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