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Franco Caution posted:You guys are scaring the poo poo out of me and making me rethink wanting a mk7 Golf R Nah it's cool, you should get the DSG too, it's pretty quick!
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Sep 24, 2014 00:17
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PeterWeller posted:Yeah, they're a compromise, but they don't seem to be that big of one when handling is concerned. The list of great driver's cars using struts is pretty long. Notably most/all modern BMWs including every M3 generation, AE86 Corollas and MR2s, and the aforementioned Boxster and Cayman. Double wishbone does not automatically = better than strut - it results in more unsprung weight and takes up more room in the engine area when used up front.
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Sep 24, 2014 00:55
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I can't hear you over all of this CAMBER GAIN from my DOUBLE WISHBONES. Also the E36 M3 is hot loving garbage.Franco Caution posted:You guys are scaring the poo poo out of me and making me rethink wanting a mk7 Golf R Good. Buy a car worthy of your love.
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Sep 24, 2014 02:01
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Franco Caution posted:You guys are scaring the poo poo out of me and making me rethink wanting a mk7 Golf R Out of curiosity why are you interested in a Golf R versus an STi, 3 Series, or one of the many other competitors in that price segment? I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, just curious why people like the Golf R.
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Sep 24, 2014 02:06
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Cream_Filling posted:Out of curiosity why are you interested in a Golf R versus an STi, 3 Series, or one of the many other competitors in that price segment? I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, just curious why people like the Golf R. As someone who is also looking into that car, the fact that it combines AWD, a hatch, and doesn't have quite the boy racer feel as the STI, Focus ST, Mazdaspeed3, Evo, etc. I'm not sure any BMW compares, unless you compare used to new. the closest BMW you can get new is a 228i xDrive Coupe, which has less power and isn't a hatch. The M235i is like $9k more.
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Sep 24, 2014 02:16
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pik_d posted:As someone who is also looking into that car, the fact that it combines AWD, a hatch, and doesn't have quite the boy racer feel as the STI, Focus ST, Mazdaspeed3, Evo, etc. If you can find a 2014 STI hatch they're really not that bad. It looks nearly identical to the WRX and if you debadge it no one would ever know.
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Sep 24, 2014 02:23
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Zoom Zoom, motherfuckers
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pik_d posted:As someone who is also looking into that car, the fact that it combines AWD, a hatch, and doesn't have quite the boy racer feel as the STI, Focus ST, Mazdaspeed3, Evo, etc. Dunno, has the US pricing been announced yet? Assuming it costs more than the last model you're looking at a $35-40k car.
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Sep 24, 2014 02:36
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The Golf R definitely has a nicer interior and ride than the STi as a daily.
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Sep 24, 2014 02:37
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HotCanadianChick posted:Tell that to my parents, whose '96 Silverado 2500 was on it's third transmission by the time they sold it. Traded it in for a brand new 2009 3500 duallie which has already eaten a wheel bearing and had to have the trans dropped to fix something with the clutch pack. And the AC compressor poo poo itself about two years into ownership. It currently has but 15,000 miles and has never towed anything heavier than a ~1000 lb aluminum boat. You can find these kinds of stories from all 3 of the domestic brands. Better buy a foreign truck instead. Oh wait, that will just rust in half. Cream_Filling posted:Out of curiosity why are you interested in a Golf R versus an STi, 3 Series, or one of the many other competitors in that price segment? I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, just curious why people like the Golf R. I don't think the Golf R is going to be a terrible choice this time around. It's actually going to have decent hp compared to it's competition!
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Sep 24, 2014 02:39
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Cream_Filling posted:Dunno, has the US pricing been announced yet? Assuming it costs more than the last model you're looking at a $35-40k car. Yeah, I'm assuming about $35k +/- a few thousand. I looked up the STI hatch after Pr0kjayhawk mentioned it, it's about $37k, so no likely benefit in initial price at all. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:The Golf R definitely has a nicer interior and ride than the STi as a daily. But this definitely is a big factor.
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Sep 24, 2014 02:40
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:The Golf R definitely has a nicer interior and ride than the STi as a daily. But the STi's tach and speedo needles rotate when you start the car indicating future speed.
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Sep 24, 2014 02:43
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eriddy posted:But the STi's tach and speedo needles rotate when you start the car indicating future speed. STi interiors also hold up fairly well over time. Unsure whether this will be true for the VW. edit: also apparently no real LSD on the VW, though I'm not an expert on how the Haldex AWD setups work OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Sep 24, 2014 02:44
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Cream_Filling posted:Unsure whether this will be true for the VW. So far, mine is holding up decently. It has taken some abuse too. Lots of trips to Colorado packed to the brim with gear. The only damage I've noticed so far is where the edges of skis/snowboards have rubbed on plastic for 600 miles.
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Sep 24, 2014 02:49
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Franco Caution posted:You guys are scaring the poo poo out of me and making me rethink wanting a mk7 Golf R Love my 2010 GTI. Minimal problems since I got it. Or just buy a 
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Sep 24, 2014 02:55
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2015 c63 wagon (465 hp) Waaaaaaaaant.
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Sep 24, 2014 02:56
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El Scotch posted:2015 c63 wagon (465 hp) I love that we live in these times. What a bonkers thing to carry the shopping around in.
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Sep 24, 2014 03:14
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PeterWeller posted:This isn't really true anymore with the introduction of the American Jetta and Passat, which are filled with hard plastics and often powered by rough old motors. The Jetta isn't great, the Passat I think is as good as most of the competition in most respects(interior, styling, space etc) except for the outdated 2.5l engine that gets worse fuel economy than competitor's V6s with less power than their I4s, while still having a 5 speed manual trans, but they've replaced it with a much more competitive 1.8T now, and the VR6 was always very nice - I almost never see any incentives on the VR6 Passats while they piled them on for the 2.5ls. It's always amusing when VW PR touts their 25% take rate on the TDI engines as some kind of sigg that the US is on the verge of a diesel revolution. No, the only people who even look at your cars are crazy VW apologists and even they are disgusted by your decades behind the competition (except for the VR6) gas engine lineup, the TDI is the only one that's remotely worth buying. Also VW's entire strategy for the last few years has actually been a disaster by their own admission, sales are down double digits. When they opened the new Alabama plant they wanted to get to 800k sales in the US by 2018. They are currently at less than 400k and falling while GM and Chrysler are up by double digits, and management is getting shitcanned left and right. http://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpeter/2014/06/volkswagen-america http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/01/vw-u-s-sales-chief-trivieri-gone-after-sales-decline-in-a-growing-market/ These days Subaru is a significantly larger player than VW in North America.  Well anyway back to cars that Americans will actually buy, B5 Passat owners everywhere rejoice because there's going to be another longitudinal platform VW version of the Audi A6!  http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/09/volkswagens-american-phaeton-will-start-70k/ http://jalopnik.com/the-next-volkswagen-phaeton-will-start-at-70-000-in-am-1638115064 And of course, the storied Phaeton badge returns too. Actually I know why this car exists, while most of the English-speaking automotive media seems apparently oblivious. VAG has 2 competing joint ventures in China, one with SAIC that makes VWs and Skodas, and another with FAW making VWs and Audis. The Audi-FAW JV is by far the most profitable, and the SAIC JV desperately wants a higher end product to cash in on those Audi margins. Giving them an Audi based, but not Audi badged large sedan makes perfect sense, and I wouldn't be surprised if they also get the new 3 row crossover too. Selling it in the US is really just a minor side show.
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Sep 24, 2014 03:16
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Cream_Filling posted:STi interiors also hold up fairly well over time. Unsure whether this will be true for the VW. Oh I totally forgot about the Haldex setup on the Golf/TT. I was looking into a TTRS earlier this year and while you can buy aftermarket Haldex controllers, it's not on the same level as the STI's DCCD and you're still out $1k+ for the controller. Also I got my STI hatch new for $34k.
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Sep 24, 2014 03:56
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Cream_Filling posted:Out of curiosity why are you interested in a Golf R versus an STi, 3 Series, or one of the many other competitors in that price segment? I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, just curious why people like the Golf R. Like pik_d said it basically checks all the boxes I'm looking for. AWD, Hatch, available with a stick, doesn't scream look at me/ boy racer looks. I loving hate the STI rear spoiler with a passion. I'm comparing last year's STI to this year's GTI but the interior and seats felt so much better to me in the VW. The same for the shifter. Franco Caution fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Sep 24, 2014 04:22
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El Scotch posted:2015 c63 wagon (465 hp) There's no chance in hell I can afford this, but I want it so bad.  
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Sep 24, 2014 04:37
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What's wrong with tarted up economy cars anyway? Why is that an insult that gets flung around? The STs are fantastic, and those are tarted up economy cars. The Abarth is just an expensive 500, but is a pretty great little thing. Going quick with livability and space owns, I'd much rather daily drive a rad wagon or hatchback than some purpose built sports car. If I could get an ST wagon or R wagon, or even a Mustang shooting brake, oh boy...
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Sep 24, 2014 04:44
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Snowdens Secret posted:Toyota started aggressively decontenting their vehicles around '96-97 in areas where they thought essentially they were so much better than competitors that the consumers weren't noticing the extra effort. There was a specific Toyota term for this but I forget it. You see this on things like triple door seals on early '90s Camrys vs single seals on later ones, moves to eliminate model-specific parts (that spectacularly bit them in the rear end when one accelerator pedal sensor ended up common across half the brand), etc. This was as much to do with the Japanese economic bubble bursting as anything else, as the same cost-cutting and rationalisation was evident across models which never sold outside of the Japanese market.
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Sep 24, 2014 04:54
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SouthLAnd posted:What in the loving gently caress?! My Italian motorcycle can pull oil through the stator wires into the voltage regulator the same way, it's not that uncommon on bikes actually Wheeee posted:Nah it's cool, you should get the DSG too, it's pretty quick! This but unironically, the DSG owns. And I don't get concern over the Haldex on-road, either. The VW is much, much better as a daily driver for someone staying remotely legal than an STI, and for the abusive conditions where an STI would be noticeably better you'd be foolish to buy a brand new one. ROFLBOT posted:This was as much to do with the Japanese economic bubble bursting as anything else, as the same cost-cutting and rationalisation was evident across models which never sold outside of the Japanese market. This is valid. Basically Toyota was rolling in money, and then wasn't, and Toyota people started to see wasted profit opportunities all over the place. I'm not trying to make it out as some cardinal sin but it's a brand with a reputation for overbuilding / overengineering everything (look how many Toyota appliance-car engines had 6-bolt mains) who actively retreated from that to improve the bottom line. See also: Mercedes (where it is more of a cardinal sin.)
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Sep 24, 2014 05:06
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El Scotch posted:2015 c63 wagon (465 hp) (Also, YES!)
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Sep 24, 2014 06:04
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Phone posted:I can't hear you over all of this CAMBER GAIN from my DOUBLE WISHBONES. Also the E36 M3 is hot loving garbage. Ironically Audis are well known for having 5 link front suspension across their longitudinal lineup. 5 links her meaning like a double wishbone except each leg of the wishbone was attached to its own pivot on the knuckle so as to give the front wheels zero scrub radius. So you get nice, precise steering, little torque steer, plus the camber gain and all the advantages of a double wishbone suspension. This is actually a legitimate advantage vs BMWs and whatnot.    Of course there is a small price to pay for this sophisticated German handling. http://www.cartalk.com/content/i-have-audi-miles-i-was-recently quote:Dear Tom and Ray: Pro: Superior German handling. Even more Pro: Car will turn "stanced" after 30k miles with no additional input from owner.
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Sep 24, 2014 07:30
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Phone posted:I can't hear you over all of this CAMBER GAIN from my DOUBLE WISHBONES. Also the E36 M3 is hot loving garbage. CAN YOU SPEAK UP? I'M HAVING TROUBLE HEARING YOU OVER THE THROATY ROAR OF MY TORQUEY INLINE SIX's cooling system failing.
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Sep 24, 2014 10:30
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Yeah, my 1999 A4 1.8T Quattro was a dream come true until the brake rotors, suspension links, catalytic converters, oxygen sensors, clutch and electrical system turned into dehydrated cat poo poo in a 1 year span. So basically I lived out every "LOL VAG RELIABILITY" stereotype except the timing belt failing prematurely.
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Sep 24, 2014 12:38
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Throatwarbler posted:The Jetta isn't great, the Passat I think is as good as most of the competition in most respects(interior, styling, space etc) except for the outdated 2.5l engine that gets worse fuel economy than competitor's V6s with less power than their I4s, while still having a 5 speed manual trans, but they've replaced it with a much more competitive 1.8T now, and the VR6 was always very nice - I almost never see any incentives on the VR6 Passats while they piled them on for the 2.5ls. It's always amusing when VW PR touts their 25% take rate on the TDI engines as some kind of sigg that the US is on the verge of a diesel revolution. No, the only people who even look at your cars are crazy VW apologists and even they are disgusted by your decades behind the competition (except for the VR6) gas engine lineup, the TDI is the only one that's remotely worth buying. Worth noting that VWoA and the VW brand have cycled CEOs and head of sales a few times recently. Also, the plant is in TN. We'll see how the 1.8T does; I think it was obvious to everyone that the 2.5 had outlived its useful life by at least six or seven years.
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Sep 24, 2014 13:19
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HotCanadianChick posted:Tell that to my parents, whose '96 Silverado 2500 was on it's third transmission by the time they sold it. Wait which transmission did that truck have? The 4l60e or the 4l80e?
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Sep 24, 2014 13:49
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Don't know if you got it in the US but the now ancient 1.8T, first appearing in the Golf Mk4 GTI, is quite the turd in many ways as well.
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Sep 24, 2014 13:51
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VWs issues apparently go far deeper than North America. There was a news article this morning about how their Wolfsburg plant is a disaster with regards to their new modular platforms. http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/24/us-volkswagen-mqb-insight-idUSKCN0HJ0WL20140924?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews quote:But at Volkswagen's main Wolfsburg plant earlier this year, workers had to resort to handing metal sheets to robots working on the E-Golf, said people who saw it happen. quote:As well, a faulty internet wireless network at Wolfsburg has caused robots to malfunction, the sources said. One worker at the plant said that too many automatic attempts by employees’ mobile phones to access the network overwhelm it. Other problems include a tendency of the system to stop if overheated in the summer. All this stuff is leading to production delays which is leading to overtime and then tensions with the workers in the factory.
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Sep 24, 2014 13:58
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bull3964 posted:VWs issues apparently go far deeper than North America. There was a news article this morning about how their Wolfsburg plant is a disaster with regards to their new modular platforms. Heavy is the head that wears the crown, or whatever. The latter sounds like an easily-solved problem, and for the former E-Golf is tremendously low volume and kind of stupid so I hope it does. These aren't problems on the caliber of say, GM.
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Sep 24, 2014 14:12
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I recently test drove the MK7 Golf. It definitely felt more "solid" than my 2014 Mazda3. My Mazda is a great car and I prefer the simplicity of the infotainment system and the convenience of my heads up display but it's very light feeling. It feels like the sheet metal is flimsier and the car will come apart at its seams. I also like the lack of seams on the Golf because of the laser welding. That being said I'm told that my Mazda will outlast the Golf at its current quality level while the Golf will degrade quickly. So what's the build quality like on Mercedes BMW and Audi? Is it any better than VW? Or do cabins start peeling and rattling all the same?
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Sep 24, 2014 15:31
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Nidhg00670000 posted:Don't know if you got it in the US but the now ancient 1.8T, first appearing in the Golf Mk4 GTI, is quite the turd in many ways as well. Yes, the Audi 20v 1.8T is the one sean10mm is talking about and the subject of at least 2 successful class action lawsuits (timing belt, engine sludge), and also the one with the bad coilpacks. Apparently other than being a typical VW it was on paper a pretty good design - it had a fully forged rotating assembly, and with 5 valves per cylinder could flow a lot of air, so once you fix all the bad bits it could make a lot of power. There was a guy here who had a long build thread where he pushed a 1.8t to many hundreds of HP. Truly the Olds 350 diesel of our day. Note that I think during the same period GM was still selling Cavaliers with pushrod 2.2ls so it was some pretty advanced technology for its day. * EDIT: * Well, if we pretend that Honda doesn't exist and GM is the only other car company in the world. Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Sep 24, 2014 15:46
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Kraftwerk posted:I recently test drove the MK7 Golf. It definitely felt more "solid" than my 2014 Mazda3. My Mazda is a great car and I prefer the simplicity of the infotainment system and the convenience of my heads up display but it's very light feeling. It feels like the sheet metal is flimsier and the car will come apart at its seams. I also like the lack of seams on the Golf because of the laser welding. Well the Mazda3 is slightly lighter in curb weight, but it's physically larger than the Golf and still does (slightly) better in crash tests. Your gut feeling is a combination of probably more spray-on sound insulating foam in the doors and you being a closet VW apologist.
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Sep 24, 2014 16:04
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Mazda's are durable as hell too
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Sep 24, 2014 16:23
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Did Mazda ever fix their rusting issues with the new generations? I've seen 3's as late as 2010 MY have rusting issues locally, and anything from the 90's and early 2000's Mazda seems to have a rusty husk of it's former sheet metal. (Barring summer only cars like the miata or meticulously maintained examples)
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Sep 24, 2014 16:42
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So I was surfing some GM forums and GM definitely isn't concerned about the new aluminum F-150 at all, because what real American would buy an aluminum truck? http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/misc.php?do=postrelease&prx_t=U5cBA5rkBAdBUCA&prx_q=711 quote:“There are three things extremely hard: steel, a diamond, and to know one’s self.” The ad, in case you've forgotten. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfyXy1utRcY
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Throatwarbler posted:So I was surfing some GM forums and GM definitely isn't concerned about the new aluminum F-150 at all, because what real American would buy an aluminum truck? They kind of have to do this until they have their own aluminum truck. People are and have been making way too much of it.
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