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Say Nothing posted:One of my favorite 'WCW things'. Employed for nearly two years and didn't do a drat thing in that time. He clearly is a genius. Well, for the longest time, they were buying plane tickets for the entire talent roster to travel to every Nitro, even if there wasn't a snowball's chance in a blast furnace that they were actually going to be on the show.
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Thunder in Paradise is the greatest show in the history of television bar maybe What's My Line.
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On the ecw Monday night war episode today Heyman said that wcw hired Miley whipwreck away even though he was so best up he needed a year to rehab his ecw injuries. They took him just so ecw didn't have him. Then he wrestled a few matches and rehabbed and got paid.
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A lot of this probably had to do with the company being Ted Turner's baby- they weren't spending their own money like WWF was/is. They only really started to cut back around 2000 when it was clear that things were going steeply downhill.
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Maxwell Lord posted:A lot of this probably had to do with the company being Ted Turner's baby- they weren't spending their own money like WWF was/is. They only really started to cut back around 2000 when it was clear that things were going steeply downhill. Oh, that's a total given. Pretty much every guy who worked backstage has been asked "Why did you guys hemorrhage money as hard as you did", and their answer is almost universally "Ted loving Turner greenlighted us to spend as much as we wanted". Even from 2000 onwards, they were still spending exorbitant amounts on throwaway poo poo like pyro.
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Even from 2000 onwards, they were still spending exorbitant amounts on throwaway poo poo like pyro. Not just pyro, but Jeff Jarrett guitars with pyro.
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MassRafTer posted:Tonight it is the GO HOME SHOW for STARRCADE 1997! The biggest match in the history of wrestling is a week away! Join us tonight for this legendary episode of WCW Monday Nitro! This episode was a crime against humanity.
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I'd argue that pyro isn't exorbitant. WWF had overtaken WCW in production value, and anything that made the company look less low-rent was a good thing. poo poo like paying Lanny Poffo to do nothing, on the other hand, or paying Stevie Ray seven-hundred-and-fifty-thousand dollars? That's absurd.
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LividLiquid posted:I'd argue that pyro isn't exorbitant. WWF had overtaken WCW in production value, and anything that made the company look less low-rent was a good thing. There's a difference between not looking low-rent and spending about 30 million dollars per year on production just for Nitro when you're running on a loss double that. Edit: Actually, I think WCW might have spent closer to 40 million. rare Magic card l00k fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Great White Hope posted:There's a difference between not looking low-rent and spending about 30 million dollars per year on production just for Nitro when you're running on a loss double that. Why would you focus on pyro, of all things, when so much actual waste was going on?
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LividLiquid posted:When you're spending far more on lovely talent that you could easily cut without anybody noticing, losing things that make your TV look worse makes little sense. Nitro production alone cost much more than the entire roster, and when you need to cut costs, you should get rid of things you actually can. You can't dump guaranteed contracts. Not to say that WCW didn't waste an unbelievable amount of money on talent, but they wasted tons of money in pretty much every regard.
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The wasted a hell of a lot on Michael Buffer, who should have only shown up every once in a while to make a big match feel bigger. Not every single Nitro main event.
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Great White Hope posted:Nitro production alone cost much more than the entire roster, and when you need to cut costs, you should get rid of things you actually can. You can't dump guaranteed contracts. Even so, rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic wasn't going to save it. Pyro wasn't "a waste." It was an expense. A "waste" is something that does nothing for your show, like paying Stevie Ray three quarters of a million dollars.
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Buffer was comically horrible too. "And now the man who is as bad as he wants to be. And that's very bad. The bad man, Dennis Rodman!"
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I heard all these numbers before, but I'm kind of confused, see Hulk Hogan was the one who was telling me how much they were spending on Lanny Poffo and according to him it was "460 million dollars, brother!" and they were spending "a cool 10 billion on Master P, dude!"
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DeathChicken posted:Buffer was comically horrible too. "And now the man who is as bad as he wants to be. And that's very bad. The bad man, Dennis Rodman!" Buffer got paid by the word.
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LividLiquid posted:You sure your numbers are right? When Bischoff was shitcanned in '99 and the beancounter took over, they cut pyro outside of big acts like Goldberg. The factoid circulating at the time was that he'd saved the company "about a million dollars." According to Meltzer in 2001, WCW was spending about 750k per Nitro, and talent, while absurd, was 'only' something like 20-25 million (this number I don't remember what he said, but I know it was in the 20s, which stunned the guy who had called in thinking it was 6-8 million)
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1st AD posted:It's wasn't his fault if WCW was feeding him awful lines like that. I'm pretty sure he said Burt Hart once. Do you get a refund for hosed-up names?
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1st AD posted:It's wasn't his fault if WCW was feeding him awful lines like that.  )
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Red posted:I'm pretty sure he said Burt Hart once. Do you get a refund for hosed-up names? Bret Clarke.
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Great White Hope posted:Nitro production alone cost much more than the entire roster, and when you need to cut costs, you should get rid of things you actually can. You can't dump guaranteed contracts. Well you can't expect them to stop paying for fake funerals and blood raining down from the rafters!! That's what makes Nitro great.
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Red posted:I'm pretty sure he said Burt Hart once. Do you get a refund for hosed-up names?
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Didn't he also say "Raymond Stereo" at one point as well?
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I think that was CRZ's name for him after it came up on his closed captions.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Didn't he also say "Raymond Stereo" at one point as well? On 'Uncensored 96' he announced Hogan and Savage, who at this point had long been calling themselves the Mega-Powers, as Megaforce.
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1998 WCW merchandise catalog. http://wcwworldwide.com/post/97615593254/wcw-merch-cat-1998 
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Luigi Thirty posted:1998 WCW merchandise catalog.  That Bret Hart shirt will always baffle me. Why put a US flag behind him? I bet they started off with a design that incorporated the maple leafs then someone at head office was like "whoa whoa let's not go crazy here, lets 'merica this up a bit."
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I didn't know that once Bret Hart got to WCW, he stole Rick Martel's sunglasses, was that an angle?
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pathetic little tramp posted:I didn't know that once Bret Hart got to WCW, he stole Rick Martel's sunglasses, was that an angle? Martel had retired due to injury by the time Bret went over.
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fatherdog posted:Martel had retired due to injury by the time Bret went over. That's not true. Martel had a stint in early '98.
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You have to remember that while he was Canadian by birth he still had that place in Springfield.
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ChampRamp posted:That's not true. Martel had a stint in early '98. Martel was so good in that run. Then he killed his leg. 
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triplexpac posted:
I had that Bret Hart shirt!
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MassRafTer posted:You have to remember that while he was Canadian by birth he still had that place in Springfield. He was also responsible for getting WCW to give a contract to the Shrieking Sheik.
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Great White Hope posted:Martel was so good in that run. Then he killed his leg.
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triplexpac posted:
United States champion?
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Halloween Jack posted:Did Owen kick it out of itself? Nah, Owen kind of dropped out of the picture around that time.
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Red posted:Nah, Owen kind of dropped out of the picture around that time. 
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