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Zotix posted:Would you list a fracture on the medical questionaire, if it only resulted in being cast for 6 weeks. No surgery, no pins, no plates? I fractured the same wrist twice. Once around 1990, and again around 2004. I don't even know where to begin to find the doctor that cast them. If I don't list them, what are the chances that the military(any branch), can find this information? The only reason I'd omit it, is because of time constraints on going to MEPs. If there were absolutely no complications with the injury and I were your recruiter, I would have told you to keep quiet because medical records are notoriously difficult to find when family physicians move/die/retire or the records were destroyed in fires/floods or lost. There is no central repository of medical records. You have to know what you are looking for and where to find it. MEPS works under the assumption that medical records exist for every injury. If those records aren't submitted with the enlistment package, the first thought is that records exist and somehow disqualify the applicant but the recruiter is trying to push him through by claiming records can't be found. It's not too far from the truth but there are some cases where it makes things needlessly difficult for everyone. Also, it's possible for you and your parents to write a statement detailing the injury and treatment, as well as why there are no medical records for the injury. That can be submitted to MEPS when the recruiter tries to schedule your physical. At worst you would draw a medical consult (you won't) to determine if the injury is a recurring limitation or hindrance. Hekk fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Aug 27, 2014 |
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Yeah I went through medical consul for lazik eye stuff I had done 8 years ago but the doctors office only held records for seven years. Big time wasting head ache but it turns out my eyes are a-ok (20/20 still).
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Aug 27, 2014 02:34
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I had to jump through insane amounts of hoops because I had an inhaler for bronchitis in England when I was like 8. Yeah, like I still had those records. On that note, anybody who has dependents with AF medical records, get a copy when you get out. Your records are maintained, dependents' records are destroyed.
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Aug 27, 2014 03:00
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I fractured my wrist in 2005, didn't bother to mention it when I came in 5 years ago. So far it hasn't been a problem.
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Aug 27, 2014 03:04
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I'd imagine rhenonly time you would want to disclose something is if it was serious and you have evidence that it is no longer an issue. Also, if you were a dependent and they dumped notes into AHLTA.
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Aug 27, 2014 14:49
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Can anyone tell me what the picture looks like for CTN rates for the Navy, I'm talking to a recruiter today and have read up a fair bit on a few of the rates I'm interested in and I'm settled on only going in if I can get rated as a CTN. I'm just curious how that pipeline is looking like these days and if it isn't immediately available what sort of wait-time I could reasonably expect. Also how is the advancement pipeline in that field looking like, I know in some other cryptologic rates I read that it's a bit congested trying to make E-5 and above but I'd assume with CNT's usually being one & done on their enlistments that it shouldn't be too bad. So yeah, any help would be appreciated!
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Sep 2, 2014 14:32
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There isn't really a wait time, if the job is available they'll offer it, if it's not they'll probably get pissed off at you when you leave without taking a job. You shouldn't let that discourage you, it's still a rate that's expanding. This past advancement cycle had something like 60% of all eligible E4's made E5, 50% of E5s made E6, and 40% of E6's made E7. It's currently a 6 year commitment, and after A-school you get auto promoted to E4. Also the retention isn't the greatest, but it will probably even out soon. The cyber field is hot poo poo right now, things like this recent icloud hack make private companies very eager to hire security specialists. At the same time the DoD is trying to stand up its own special cyber teams, so you have expansion from both ends. The current feeling is if you're good in the field, you should probably get out and go to the private sector, but the Navy is also trying to throw bonuses at people willing to stay in. Let's just say if you land CTN you'll have a lot of options.
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I just got a call from the a DoD investigator saying I need to sit down with her and go over paperwork regarding security clearance. I'm a little confused about why seeing as how my job doesn't require security clearance and that I've never heard of anyone meeting with an investigator 1 month after entering DEP nevermind for a clearance I don't need. Is this normal, if so what would this meeting be about and in any case what should I say during?
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Sep 16, 2014 22:16
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Lying is bad. Don't sweat it. If they're putting you in for a clearance don't loving fight it. It can only help down the road. And for the love of god, GET A COPY OF IT. It really sucks filling one out several years later if you don't have all the info handy.
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Sep 16, 2014 22:24
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Grody posted:I just got a call from the a DoD investigator saying I need to sit down with her and go over paperwork regarding security clearance. I'm a little confused about why seeing as how my job doesn't require security clearance and that I've never heard of anyone meeting with an investigator 1 month after entering DEP nevermind for a clearance I don't need. Is this normal, if so what would this meeting be about and in any case what should I say during? Remember the SF-86 you filled out with your last 7 years of work history, home addresses, and references? That's what the investigator is calling about. There are a whole host of reasons why they could be calling, and without knowing more about your history, all anyone here can do is guess. It could be something about police records. It could be in reference to admitted drug use. The investigators could have called one of your references and gotten conflicting information about drug use or other things that they have questions about. Chances are, you will meet with the investigator in the recruiters office. Just answer whatever questions they have as truthfully as you can. That is unless you lied about something you are trying to hide. Most of the time it's questions about dumb poo poo like the number of times and dates you smoked pot or traffic tickets that didn't get disclosed or something minor. When I recruited, my applicants had at least a couple of these interviews a month.
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Sep 16, 2014 22:25
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Grody posted:I just got a call from the a DoD investigator saying I need to sit down with her and go over paperwork regarding security clearance. I'm a little confused about why seeing as how my job doesn't require security clearance and that I've never heard of anyone meeting with an investigator 1 month after entering DEP nevermind for a clearance I don't need. Is this normal, if so what would this meeting be about and in any case what should I say during? It's normal, you probably have some adverse credit history or something else that popped up during the background check whether it was documented or not. Your recruiter will put you in for a clearance no matter what MOS you enlist for and you apparently have some reason why they can't just waive you through. End of the day you'll end up with a secret clearance or you won't, but if your MOS doesn't require one it really doesn't matter either way. Same thing happened to me except I shipped off to Basic Training so fast they didn't catch up with me until I was at my first duty station.
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Sep 16, 2014 22:28
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Hekk posted:Remember the SF-86 you filled out with your last 7 years of work history, home addresses, and references? That's what the investigator is calling about. There are a whole host of reasons why they could be calling, and without knowing more about your history, all anyone here can do is guess. It could be something about police records. It could be in reference to admitted drug use. The investigators could have called one of your references and gotten conflicting information about drug use or other things that they have questions about. I've asked about it before but I'm not sure if you'll remember, I had a few incidents with the police that were all non criminal and resulted in nothing not even fines. Could this interview be about these incidents?
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It could be. I'll say it again because I'm right: don't loving sweat it. This is normal. There's almost always a question the first time because they have to double check everything. Once it gets adjudicated, those things stop acting like red flags.
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iGrody posted:I've asked about it before but I'm not sure if you'll remember, I had a few incidents with the police that were all non criminal and resulted in nothing not even fines. Could this interview be about these incidents? quote:- In the past seven (7) years have you been issued a summons, citation, or ticket to appear in court in a criminal proceeding against you? (Do not check if all the citations involved traffic infractions where the fine was less than $300 and did not include alcohol or drugs) quote:- Have you EVER been convicted in any court of the United States of a crime, sentenced to imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year for that crime, and incarcerated as a result of that sentence for not less than 1 year? (Include all qualifying convictions in Federal, state, local, or military court, even if previously listed on this form) I've listed all the criminal history questions from the SF-86. Take a look at the above and if any of that poo poo applies to you, make a mental note of it. If the investigator asks you questions about something you hosed up on the SF-86 I want you to say something very similar to the following. "Look man, I filled out so many forms and paperwork and we were going so fast that I must have misunderstood the question. Some of this crap is like trying to read latin. Sorry about that." That should complete the interview and if they need more paperwork they'll make your recruiter get it. As was said above, don't stress at all because you can play really stupid and no one will think anything is unusual since it's pretty much par for the course.
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Sep 16, 2014 23:16
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Hekk posted:I've listed all the criminal history questions from the SF-86. Take a look at the above and if any of that poo poo applies to you, make a mental note of it. If the investigator asks you questions about something you hosed up on the SF-86 I want you to say something very similar to the following. Start perfecting that look of blank, dumb incomprehension. You can be the smartest motherfucker in the brigade and so long as you're not an NCO, you can still flash that airhead look and it will excuse a surprising amount of dumb poo poo.
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My MEPS day is October 1st, I requested this date specifically after reading that it marks the start of the new recruiting calender. I also read that most jobs should be available at the start of the month and with the new recruitment calender year starting that should I make the required line scores, most/all jobs should be available to me since I'll fall under fresh pipeline. Like I said before I'm going for CTN so I figure it makes sense... anyways, is this all a load of poo poo or true?
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8bitlawd posted:My MEPS day is October 1st, I requested this date specifically after reading that it marks the start of the new recruiting calender. I also read that most jobs should be available at the start of the month and with the new recruitment calender year starting that should I make the required line scores, most/all jobs should be available to me since I'll fall under fresh pipeline. Like I said before I'm going for CTN so I figure it makes sense... anyways, is this all a load of poo poo or true? I was never a navy recruiter. However, I am fairly certain that all the services break jobs up into six separate two month ship periods. Allocations are broken up and based off of when you will be shipping to boot camp. DEP date doesn't have any real affect on jobs if you are willing to wait until a ship period where the job you want is available. It's all based off of the services attempting to keep an approximate target number of each rate/job/mos. They project how many in each field will end their active service and calculate the length of the training pipeline. With that information they assign a number of new trainees in each ship period in order to keep that target population in each field. If you make it clear that you are willing to wait to ship in order to get the rate you want, you have a much better chance of securing what you want. Hekk fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Sep 18, 2014 |
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Hekk posted:I was never a navy recruiter. However, I am fairly certain that all the services break jobs up into six separate two month ship periods. Allocations are broken up and based off of when you will be shipping to boot camp. DEP date doesn't have any real affect on jobs if you are willing to wait until a ship period where the job you want is available.
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The Air Force is trying to drop a several thousand people, right? But I noticed yesterday they upped the enlistment age to 39. And I'm 38, have no degree, and have been in a dead end IT job for the last few years. I've been working in IT for almost 20 years but have no certificates and no real specializations. I've been applying for other jobs but my hand-on tech knowledge feel like it's ten years out of date. But I remember scoring around 95th percentile on the ASVAB back in high school. So you can see where this is going. Ideally I'd get some kind of crypto job since that seems to be the wave of the future. Stick out four years, GI bill (or the AF equivalent) for a real degree, and then try to get a government job. So, please, first tell me how goddamn loving stupid I am. Secondly, can someone explain why the AF bumped up the enlistment age if they're trying to dump people? Third, any chance in hell I'd get in?
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Sep 19, 2014 03:29
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You are dumb as gently caress for wanting to do this. You are a year younger than I'll be when I retire in a few years. Think about taking orders from people young enough to be your children. Also, I have no idea what you make doing the IT thing but take a look at the military pay charts. If you are cool with living off of like $1,300 a month (before taxes) and living in multi person rooms in the barracks (or dorms or whatever the air force calls them) and eating at the chow hall for all your meals, you still shouldn't do it.
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Sep 19, 2014 03:41
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For the love of god, shop your skill set to Guard units before you do something as insanely retarded as enlist AD at age 38. They are full of old dudes who you can relate to and will let you round out your skill set without wanting to suck start an M9 every day. Also, how the entire gently caress can you work IT for 20 years without acquiring any sort of professional certification? I have a skill set that is literally worthless, and I can at least provide a record of my training.
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Sep 19, 2014 03:50
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CAPTAIN poo poo posted:The Air Force is trying to drop a several thousand people, right? But I noticed yesterday they upped the enlistment age to 39. Holy poo poo no. This would be one of the dumbest decisions imaginable.
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Sep 19, 2014 04:22
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Go apply for jobs at three letter agencies. You have 20 years experience. Think about this, they have 18 year olds fresh out of the military doing the same jobs. You obviously don't mind relocating and you're willing to work for garbage pay. Go be a government employee in Maryland or DC.
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Sir Lucius posted:Go apply for jobs at three letter agencies. You have 20 years experience. Think about this, they have 18 year olds fresh out of the military doing the same jobs. You obviously don't mind relocating and you're willing to work for garbage pay. Go be a government employee in Maryland or DC. This, but go Reserve/Guard if you're going to enlist to get military training and a clearance. If you've been an upstanding citizen and have IT skills, it shouldn't be that hard to get a job.
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Enlist and stream your 4 years on a gopro so I can watch. realtalk: don't do it unless you want to become a world class alcoholic.
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Sep 19, 2014 10:25
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I figured I was being stupid, but I wasn't completely sure. Thanks clarifying that I'm completely loving stupid. I see the Air Force Reserves has a cut off age of 38 and the Air National Guard has a cut off age of 39. Do I have to be under that age to join? IE, since I'm 38 now, does that make me ineligible for the Reserves? Or can I still apply as long as I am 38? It would be hilarious to enlist and GoPro everything but my liver's already had enough abuse.
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AFAIK, you need to ship or at least enlist before that birthday (38 or 39). If you want to join, I'd talk to a recruiter absolutely now.
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So I have this buddy I've known since grade school who just DEP'd into the Air Force. He decided to enlist with a college degree (in criminal justice cuz he wanted to be a cop...) with hopes of entering into some sort of medical field in the Air Force. Yes I know enlisting with a degree is a terrible idea, I made him well aware of this, but he has this misguided idea that if he goes officer with a degree he'll end up sitting behind a desk not doing what he wants to be doing (???). With all of that out of the way, he says he got signed up on a contract where he got to pick 10 potential MOS's and he'll be assigned one of those 10 shortly before he goes to basic. This sounded weird as all gently caress to me, but he says he saw the paperwork for this, so I guess it's legit? Someone please confirm. Second thing is, can the Air Force guarantee a particular MOS or MOS field like the Marines? It seems strange to me that the Air Force isn't capable of even guaranteeing a field, but the Marines can. Last, any chance he can get a signing bonus? It sounds like those are pretty much reserved for high speed MOS's since we're in a drawdown, but I figured I'd ask in case anyone is in the know/knows how he can work the system to get one. His AFQT was a 94 iirc, so that shouldn't be an obstacle to anything he wants to do.
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USMC503 posted:So I have this buddy I've known since grade school who just DEP'd into the Air Force. He decided to enlist with a college degree (in criminal justice cuz he wanted to be a cop...) with hopes of entering into some sort of medical field in the Air Force. Yes I know enlisting with a degree is a terrible idea, I made him well aware of this, but he has this misguided idea that if he goes officer with a degree he'll end up sitting behind a desk not doing what he wants to be doing (???). In Air Force DEP, you fill out a list of up to 10 AFSC's that you would like. Like the other branches, you can still hold out for one (or a couple) specific jobs. If he is cool with any of those 10 jobs, then he's good. If his recruiter forced him to fill out all 10 slots, than he/she is a dick. He can either get a specific AFSC in his contract before basic, or ship with an open aptitude area (Don't let him do that). Just because a job opens up that he had on his list doesn't mean he has to take it. He'll know what his AFSC will be before he makes that final trip to MEPS to ship off.
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Alright. Kinda what I thought, "tell them to gently caress off until you get what you want" is sort of what I told him before. Thanks for confirming. Edit: And yes the recruiter tried to con him into the general aptitude thing. Thankfully he had the sense to see through that, and if he hadn't, that sounds way too close to an open contract (who am I kidding, it's the same drat thing) for me to let him ship without changing that poo poo.
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USMC503 posted:Alright. Kinda what I thought, "tell them to gently caress off until you get what you want" is sort of what I told him before. Thanks for confirming. i'm pretty sure open general is somehow actually worse than a completely open contract. most of the decent/cool jobs seem to be under administrative or mechanical.
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As said, you can hold out for a job you want and ship with a guaranteed AFSC. If you don't accept a job after like a year then they're going to start getting antsy with you and after 18 months if you still haven't signed anything they're probably going to tell you to gently caress off. Time tables vary by recruiter. Good luck getting a medical job  Signing bonuses are basically for jobs that have a high drop out rate. Spec ops, linguist, ATC, and EOD. And I think even PJs are only getting like 20k for a 6 year contract.
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His follow up question is whether or not he can remove choices from the list to narrow it down to 5-7 after DEP'ing in. I assume no, but thought I'd ask.
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He's not obligated. He can narrow it to loving zero if he wants.
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Did the Air Force recently change its policy or something? When I enlisted I went to the Air Force first and then walked out the door when I read the part of their contract that said "This will be your job. Probably. Unless we change our mind. If we do when you graduate from basic you'll get whatever the gently caress job we want." When I saw stuff like that in a legally binding document I went all 'NOPE' and started looking at the other branches.
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I got this stupid title and avatar for being a pompous rear end and arguing about this a year or so ago. I assume one of the mods gave it to me because the title was amended to what it is now after I apologized for being an insufferable douche. The thing I learned is that no one cares if something is technically correct if it's something that's never been enforced. So while it may be true that the verbiage in your enlistment contract warns against not fulfilling your contractual obligation, no one in the history of the US military has ever been held accountable for refusing to ship to basic training. This in effect allows potential recruits to hold out for whatever job they want or refuse to ship. Worse case scenario is they are forced to work with another branch of military or find work in the civilian sector.
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Hekk posted:Worse case scenario is they are forced to work with another branch of military or find work in the civilian sector.
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JDAMS CURE PASHTUN posted:This is probably the best case scenario, really.
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Hekk posted:I got this stupid title and avatar for being a pompous rear end and arguing about this a year or so ago. I assume one of the mods gave it to me because the title was amended to what it is now after I apologized for being an insufferable douche. it was me and tbqh the only reason I admit that is because I was really fuckin steamed when vas changed it because the original title was way funnier
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krispykremessuck posted:it was me and tbqh the only reason I admit that is because I was really fuckin steamed when vas changed it because the original title was way funnier It was pretty funny but I would have paid to change it out of shame. Hekk fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Sep 25, 2014 |
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