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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:I just was this movie and it was probably the best of the superhero movies yet. Who were the putty men working for The blue guy? I don't think that was explained. They are called Sakaaran in the movie. Sakaar is the planet, in the comics, where the Hulk gets exiled and eventually becomes ruler of by the earth based heroes
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:I just was this movie and it was probably the best of the superhero movies yet. Who were the putty men working for The blue guy? I don't think that was explained. I believe they're a "client race of the Kree" or something. The Kree is like the Dominion or whatever in Star Trek in that they're a huge super powerful spacefaring empire but are spread out thin and have a bunch of worlds and races that, while technically in their turf they don't do a lot to or care about one way or the other (like how they don't care about Ronan's actions at all beyond a token condolence).
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Sep 19, 2014 18:32
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I saw the movie. It was awesome! I want to see more of Rocket and Groot! Criticism - the film was so much a 30-something male power fantasy that it turned me off. Peter doesn't begin the story with any flaws that particularly affect himself or others and at the end of the movie he is pretty much unchanged. His belief that he is awesome is affirmed. This is put into stark contrast next to all of the supporting characters, all of whom have grown somewhat. (Gamora was pretty bland but I think she did grow a little bit.) If Peter is a sort of Everyman for the between gen x and millennial set, the moral seems to be: don't change, you're already amazing. We see Peter commit acts of self-sacrifice (saving Gamora from the vacuum of space/thin upper atmosphere, grabbing the purple thingy) but we're not shown that this is anything he wouldn't have already done from the beginning. That made those moments weaker for me. It would have been more interesting if Peter had had a chance to act selflessly for someone early on but had declined. Then that would show some character growth. I also didn't like how Gamora was basically a piece of meat, but that is less a complaint specific to this movie as it is the industry in general.
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Sep 22, 2014 19:59
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Peter has a story arc. It has to do with him finally getting over the death of his mother and building a new family. A space family. He also goes from being an amoral thief who wants to sell the orb, to being a hero who saves the galaxy.
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Sep 22, 2014 20:13
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I think james gunn wanted to avoid a coming-of-age story as much as possible, because literally every first movie for each marvel team or character is exactly that
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Sep 22, 2014 21:19
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Mantis42 posted:Peter has a story arc. It has to do with him finally getting over the death of his mother and building a new family. A space family. I see what you're saying but the film didn't sell that. We don't see him declining friendship at any point. He seems rather well socialized in fact. And he really didn't have a choice on selling or not selling - even he realized if he sold it it wouldn't be a matter of if he'd be killed by the bad guy but when (Rocket says this out loud.) I understand that's the arc but it was not well represented, especially since it has to be justified through dialog or whatever. Show don't tell and all that. Contrast Han Solo who has to be dragged kicking and screaming into an altruistic role in A New Hope.
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Sep 22, 2014 21:51
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We see a woman he's presumably recently met and had sex with who he completely forgot even existed, does that count as declining friendship?
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Sep 22, 2014 22:23
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Xibanya posted:I see what you're saying but the film didn't sell that. We don't see him declining friendship at any point. He seems rather well socialized in fact. And he really didn't have a choice on selling or not selling - even he realized if he sold it it wouldn't be a matter of if he'd be killed by the bad guy but when (Rocket says this out loud.) I understand that's the arc but it was not well represented, especially since it has to be justified through dialog or whatever. Show don't tell and all that. Everything about Peter at the start of the movie says selfish and self absorbed even though we don't see him specifically "declining friendship". He definitely had an arc, it was just one of the most common and overdone ones for male action protagonists. Edit: And one of the reasons Star Wars is a better movie is that Han Solo is not the main character. Cakebaker fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Sep 22, 2014 |
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Sep 22, 2014 23:08
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Was I the only one who was really bugged by how Gamora fell into the wea damsel role almost instantaneously near the end? I mean, they go on about how she's this amazing assassin who can take down entire armies singlehandedly, and then when the Reavers capture them, she's completely helpless cause two of them are grabbing her arms.Neurolimal posted:I think james gunn wanted to avoid a coming-of-age story as much as possible, because literally every first movie for each marvel team or character is exactly that What about The Incredible Hulk? Or are we counting the Ang Lee one? Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Sep 22, 2014 |
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Sep 22, 2014 23:12
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Neurolimal posted:I think james gunn wanted to avoid a coming-of-age story as much as possible, because literally every first movie for each marvel team or character is exactly that It would be funny to watch the bildungsroman of a manchild.
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Sep 23, 2014 01:16
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Shageletic posted:I watched the first fifteen minutes of the movie during Labor Day. Completely filled with kids. And they were looooving it. The energy was insane. I think for a lot of them, it'll be a milestone. This. This right here is why I really think this movie will be this new generation's Star Wars.
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Sep 23, 2014 04:36
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Xibanya posted:I see what you're saying but the film didn't sell that. We don't see him declining friendship at any point. He seems rather well socialized in fact. And he really didn't have a choice on selling or not selling - even he realized if he sold it it wouldn't be a matter of if he'd be killed by the bad guy but when (Rocket says this out loud.) I understand that's the arc but it was not well represented, especially since it has to be justified through dialog or whatever. Show don't tell and all that. His first action is stealing the orb before his mentor and crew can get to it.
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Fulchrum posted:Was I the only one who was really bugged by how Gamora fell into the wea damsel role almost instantaneously near the end? I mean, they go on about how she's this amazing assassin who can take down entire armies singlehandedly, and then when the Reavers capture them, she's completely helpless cause two of them are grabbing her arms. The only people who make this objection are those who have never played an RPG or MMO before. Assassins can't tank, duh! They strike from invisibility and hope for a crit, they don't brawl with multiple bruisers at once. That's what fighters with shields are for. Obviously!
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Sep 24, 2014 07:44
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Neurolimal posted:I'm usually completely in favor of puppetry and animatronics and general traditional effects over CGI, but I will say that GotG is one of the few movies in the past like, 5 years where the CGI all felt natural and not-incredibly-jarring. The only noticeable CGI flaws or times when it's distracting is that some of the space ship scenes look like videogame graphics. But it's only for a few seconds at a time and a minor quibble. Or it could have been due to the 3D effect. GotG reminded me quite a bit of Galaxy Quest, another space movie that is fun to watch, with a lot of characters arguing/bickering and not at all happy about their circumstances.
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Sep 24, 2014 10:57
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Binary Logic posted:The only noticeable CGI flaws or times when it's distracting is that some of the space ship scenes look like videogame graphics. But it's only for a few seconds at a time and a minor quibble. Or it could have been due to the 3D effect. I saw the movie in 2D and felt those scenes looked spectacular.
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Sep 24, 2014 13:29
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a cock shaped fruit posted:I saw the movie in 2D and felt those scenes looked spectacular. The 3D was pretty bad, so it was an absolutely normal post conversion. It was much better in 2D but the imax here was 3D only sadly.
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Sep 24, 2014 16:13
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Tommy 2.0 posted:This. This right here is why I really think this movie will be this new generation's Star Wars. Oh c'mon, how will this be like a new Star Wars? I loved the movie too, but how is it a milestone in any shape or form?
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Sep 24, 2014 20:10
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Because people loving love it, in large numbers, and it's quite good
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I agree that it is both good and popular. How is it this or any generation's Star Wars? To be clear, I'm interpreting that comparison to mean a sense of impact on the genre, or film in general, or the wider culture of art. Star Wars was a game-changer, pulp sci-fi and movies and so on were never the same.
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Sep 24, 2014 20:43
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Black Bones posted:Oh c'mon, how will this be like a new Star Wars? I loved the movie too, but how is it a milestone in any shape or form? More to the point, do we expect anything to ever be as big as Star Wars again? Seriously asking. I just can't picture anyone caring about any modern big budget movie 30 years from now.
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Sep 24, 2014 21:01
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Frozen was huge. Avatar was bigger than SW.
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Sep 24, 2014 21:04
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Slugworth posted:More to the point, do we expect anything to ever be as big as Star Wars again? Seriously asking. I just can't picture anyone caring about any modern big budget movie 30 years from now. No joke, Harry Potter. I don't see that going away any time soon. Just visit either of the two Universal Parks in Orlando, and it's insanely popular. At the mere mention of Rowling writing a short article talking about the character, people lose their minds.
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Black Bones posted:Oh c'mon, how will this be like a new Star Wars? I loved the movie too, but how is it a milestone in any shape or form? They're both severely overrated.
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Sep 24, 2014 21:21
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Harry Potter and The Simpsons come to mind immediately as media empires to rival Star Wars in the area of cultural impact. GOTG is doing remarkably well but it's ridiculous to say at this point that it has that potential. Unless you're trying to sound like a coked-up, comically hubristic marketing executive?
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Sep 24, 2014 21:35
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Black Bones posted:Oh c'mon, how will this be like a new Star Wars? I loved the movie too, but how is it a milestone in any shape or form? I could see Chris Pratt becoming this generation's Harrison Ford, with GotG serving as his launchpad to stardom in much the same way that Star Wars did for Ford. I also think it's fun in a way that movies very rarely are anymore -- it's just a joy to watch in the same way that the original SW films are or Back to the Future is. You're probably right that it ain't gonna launch it's own multi-media franchise, and ten years from now we won't have a thread just for GotG spinoff novels. But I could see people being as excited to re-watch GotG in thirty years as people are excited to watch Back to the Future today.
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Sep 24, 2014 21:48
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ITT we argue pedantically about the meaning of the phrase "the next Star Wars."
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I could see Chris Pratt becoming this generation's Harrison Ford, with GotG serving as his launchpad to stardom in much the same way that Star Wars did for Ford. I could totally see him as Indy. He has the right looks and the right demeanor between competent and buffoonish. And he is very likable.
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e X posted:I could totally see him as Indy. He has the right looks and the right demeanor between competent and buffoonish. And he is very likable. But what about Shia "Baghead" LaBeouf???
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Sep 24, 2014 22:12
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FutonForensic posted:But what about Shia "Baghead" LaBeouf??? Trigger warnings please
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Vargo posted:ITT we argue pedantically about the meaning of the phrase "the next Star Wars." The Citizen Kane of The next Star Warses
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Vargo posted:ITT we argue pedantically about the meaning of the phrase "the next Star Wars." The next Star Wars is literally going to be Episode VII.
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The Marvel Cinematic Universe as a whole definitely can be referred to as being as big as Star Wars. GotG is a part of that. In this analogy, Ant-Man will probably be the Holiday Special. Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Sep 25, 2014 |
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Sep 25, 2014 04:35
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Guardians of the Galaxy is truly the Citizen Kane of movies.
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TheJoker138 posted:Guardians of the Galaxy is truly the Citizen Kane of movies. I think you mean that Citizen Kane is the Guardians of the Galaxy of movies.  Also there may come a day where everyone who watches this will have no idea that the Awesome Mix isn't original scoring for the movie, and I hope to be long dead by then.
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Fulchrum posted:The Marvel Cinematic Universe as a whole definitely can be referred to as being as big as Star Wars. GotG is a part of that. I've never heard anyone quote or reference scenes from these movies as much as people reference the Dark Knight. People are big on the characters sure, but not especially so the movies they star in.
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Sep 25, 2014 11:25
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euphronius posted:Avatar was bigger than SW. Box office wise, yeah sure it was bigger. I loved Avatar, but it hasn't made a dent in pop culture or stayed in the collective conscience of moviegoers/sci-fi geeks like Star Wars has though. I'd argue that might change once James Cameron drops his actual trilogy (apparently Avatar was just the prologue).
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This came out on 31st July in the UK, and it's currently doing 4 showings a day in my cinema up to at least October 1st. Pretty impressive. I wonder if Marvel are maybe starting to regret getting rid of Edgar Wright for Ant Man, seeing as the 'risky' GotG is doing so well.
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Sep 25, 2014 12:13
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euphronius posted:Avatar was bigger than SW. Not when you adjust for inflation. It's not even in the top 10.
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Sep 25, 2014 12:21
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The Wikipedia page I looked at has avatar on top adjusted for inflation even. And yes culturally I would say Star Wars as 4000 points of cultural powers whereas Avatar has but 800.
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euphronius posted:The Wikipedia page I looked at has avatar on top adjusted for inflation even. Then Wikipedia is wrong. Though, World Wide, adjusted for inflation Avatar is #2 behind Gone With the Wind which is closer than I thought. I was thinking domestic, as I assume sean10mm was, where Avatar is only #14.
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