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Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Don Gato posted:

graphic tape and violence

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WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Samurai Quack posted:

Ugh, gently caress you Japan

Come on, that's pretty racist. There's plenty of weird stuff in every country.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

Lottery of Babylon posted:

Christ I'm sorry I asked. Everyone shut the gently caress up about gamesgate or I'll repost every last word of My Little Galtse.

But for now let's just stick with ponies and deconstructions:











These deconstructions are brutal

Ascended fridge horror? What?

HMS Boromir
Jul 16, 2011

by Lowtax

Kurtofan posted:

Ascended fridge horror? What?

My great memory for stupid bullshit allows me to tell you that "Fridge Horror" means realizing the terrifying implications of something that happened in a story after finishing it, IE while you're getting a snack from the fridge. Ascended Fridge Horror would thus be a new installment of that story acknowledging that implication within the story itself.

Aren't you glad you know that now? I sure ashoafkblrh;ffff

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013
Secret AI moves. You can probably guess but it has to do with moves the AI can use, but when a character is controlled by you you are unable to do them. Usually due to balancing.

what posted:

An interesting aversion/subversion of this trope occurs in MK 9: Shao Kahn is not playable in the game, yet he has a complete moveset programmed into the game. If he WERE to be made playable, all of his AI moves would be perfectly in tact.
So it doesn't happen and it can't happen since he has no model which makes it an aversion and a subversion?

quote:

In Bioshock, enemies with guns could melee you with their weapons while the only weapon you had with a melee attack was the wrench. BioShock 2 fixes this, letting you melee with any weapon, although the drill does the most melee damage. In both games, the enemies can throw grenades at random, where you are only allowed to do so when using the Launcher.
But the drill is the equivalent of the wrench? Not only that, you can't control the splicers. :confused: How is this an example?

Wales Grey
Jun 20, 2012

Darth TNT posted:

But the drill is the equivalent of the wrench? Not only that, you can't control the splicers. :confused: How is this an example?

The "secret ai move" is the AI hitting you with their guns as melee weapons in Bioshock 1, something the player cannot presumably do. Of course, the troper who wrote that has no idea how to effectively convey information in a concise manner, so they just have a bout of word diarrhea and cannot stop writing about video games.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Darth TNT posted:

Secret AI moves. You can probably guess but it has to do with moves the AI can use, but when a character is controlled by you you are unable to do them. Usually due to balancing.

So it doesn't happen and it can't happen since he has no model which makes it an aversion and a subversion?

No, it's that he's in the game as an AI-only character, but the game's files contain player-inputtable commands for his moves. So as is, you can't use any of his moves because he's an AI-only boss character, but the functionality exists in the game for you to do so without having any of the moves the AI can use locked off.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
Robert Downey Junior likes to ship all of his characters with another male character and certainly has no problems flirting and kissing guys (which hilariously means in Iron Man has got with Batman and Spiderman). The Ho Yay in the Sherlock Holmes films almost goes off the chart - and his real life relationship with Jude Law is the same - claims Tony Stark and Steve Rogers get married after the film etc

Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.




All I took from that is "people who ship real people are the scum of the earth".

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.
People who ship cartoon characters tend to be insufferable and creepy enough as is.

sweeperbravo
May 18, 2012

AUNT GWEN'S COLD SHAPE (!)

HMS Boromir posted:

My great memory for stupid bullshit allows me to tell you that "Fridge Horror" means realizing the terrifying implications of something that happened in a story after finishing it, IE while you're getting a snack from the fridge. Ascended Fridge Horror would thus be a new installment of that story acknowledging that implication within the story itself.

Aren't you glad you know that now? I sure ashoafkblrh;ffff

Oh so it's like esprit d'escalier but ++dumb

Also tropers should be kept in a fridge

HapiMerchant
Apr 22, 2014

sweeperbravo posted:

Oh so it's like esprit d'escalier but ++dumb

Also tropers should be kept in a fridge

Well, the concept of "fridge Horror"; That you read a story/watch a show/play a game, and all is well, and then as you're off doing something else afterwords you suddenly realize something very unsettling about the book/show/game, isn't a dumb thing itself.

It's just tropers think any made up grimderk bullshit they inject into the show to make it SO DEEP is "fridge horror".

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
I've been going through the Comedy Bang Bang tv series on Netflix and I realized that the Getting Crap Past The Radar page is basically this guy.

Wales Grey
Jun 20, 2012

The Vosgian Beast posted:

I've been going through the Comedy Bang Bang tv series on Netflix and I realized that the Getting Crap Past The Radar page is basically this guy.

Is that the guy who voiced Kelly in the "Behind the Pen" shorts that The Onion produced? He's a dead ringer.

E: link to example

Wales Grey fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Sep 23, 2014

Penny Paper
Dec 31, 2012

Wales Grey posted:

Is that the guy who voiced Kelly in the "Behind the Pen" shorts that The Onion produced? He's a dead ringer.

E: link to example

I thought that was Andrew Daly (from Review and one season of MADtv).

Level Slide
Jan 4, 2011

I should read Derrida one of these days.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Penny Paper posted:

I thought that was Andrew Daly (from Review and one season of MADtv).

It is Andy Daly who I don't think voiced Stan Kelly.

Patter Song
Mar 26, 2010

Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.
Fun Shoe

HapiMerchant posted:

Well, the concept of "fridge Horror"; That you read a story/watch a show/play a game, and all is well, and then as you're off doing something else afterwords you suddenly realize something very unsettling about the book/show/game, isn't a dumb thing itself.

It's just tropers think any made up grimderk bullshit they inject into the show to make it SO DEEP is "fridge horror".

Yeah, stupid name aside, Fridge Horror is basically what all those Cracked "8 Movies That Were Darker Than You Realized" or whatever articles are. Things like "Remember the celebrations at the end of Return of the Jedi? Those Ewoks better party down while they still can, because all of the debris from the second Death Star will be attracted by the forest moon of Endor's gravitational field and lead to the mother of all meteor showers, killing every last Ewok." Thought experiments like that can be fun, the Tropers just take it too far by basically turning that into their canonical way that Return of the Jedi would end.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
There was an Expanded Universe novel that explained that some debris did hit Endor, but most of it was sucked into oblivion when DS2's hyperdrive activated during the explosion.

Stupid explanation for something that didn't need to be explained.

Soulcleaver
Sep 25, 2007

Murderer

Arcsquad12 posted:

Stupid explanation for something that didn't need to be explained.
The Star Wars expanded universe in a nutshell.

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

quote:

Life is hard for straight actors who play gay roles. Every interviewer will insist on asking them if the love scenes (or more often, kissing scenes) were difficult to play. If they say yes, they risk undermining the role, and sometimes the interview will attempt to frame this as homophobia. If they say no, this may be inferred as coming out, and will certainly start (or fuel) rumors. If they try to Take a Third Option it may be seen as a cop-out.

Poor straight actors. Will their hardships ever end.

Ninjasaurus
Feb 11, 2014

This is indeed a disturbing universe.

WickedHate posted:

Poor straight actors. Will their hardships ever end.

Which trope page is this from?

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Ninjasaurus posted:

Which trope page is this from?

Undermined By Reality.

Zedd
Jul 6, 2009

I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?



I forgot which movie it was (maybe Brokeback mountain?) but I remember once when an actor playing a gay/lesbian in some movie got annoyed at those questions. It ended up with him pretty much going "I act like I am in love, just like any other role; now can we talk about the actual movie"

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax
It's more the troper's attitude about it, like it's a real distressing Scylla and Charybdis situation for the actor personally, and not just an annoying thing interviewers focus on.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'

HMS Boromir posted:

My great memory for stupid bullshit allows me to tell you that "Fridge Horror" means realizing the terrifying implications of something that happened in a story after finishing it, IE while you're getting a snack from the fridge. Ascended Fridge Horror would thus be a new installment of that story acknowledging that implication within the story itself.

Aren't you glad you know that now? I sure ashoafkblrh;ffff

Fridge Horror is present only in the darkest and most terrifying of fiction, such as

Winnie The Pooh posted:

A bit of both Fridge Brilliance and Fridge Horror (but mostly the latter)-the reason why some of the characters act as they are is because they represent psychological illnesses: Pooh represents eating disorder, Piglet represents generalized anxiety disorder, Rabbit represents OCD, Eyeore represents major depression, Tigger represents ADHD, and Christopher Robin represents schizophrenia.

The sign (which reads "Trespassers Will") above Piglet's door. The sign appears to be broken off at the "Will" part, and according to Piglet, Trespassers Will is actually his grandfather. Do you want to know what the sign actually reads if it was shown as a whole? "Trespassers Will Be Shot!"
Could be Will Be Prosecuted, which is just a tad sad rather than horrifying.
Either way, it's entirely possible that the sign was actually there before Piglet's grandfather, and he really did call himself "Trespassers Will". Or his uncle did ("Trespassers after his uncle, and William after Trespassers.")

There's an episode of the cartoon series where the group meets a giant wind-up gorilla Gary Stu. After he misunderstands Christopher Robin telling his friends he isn't keeping him (he had meant to say he was a gift for a friend), the wind-up toy goes to be in the woods by himself...and then sadly declares he needs to "unwind" and pulls out his wind-up key. He gets better when the main cast finds him and puts the key back in but we just saw a heartbroken toy commit suicide!
Even worse when you consider that the initial choice actor for Bruno was Robin Williams, who committed suicide after developing signs of Parkinson's disease.

"But the most wonderful thing about Tiggers is....I'M THE ONLY ONE!"...left?
He could just be bragging or boosting his ego, he is kinda immature and hyperactive after all.

In the 2011 film, various characters suggest alternatives to Eeyore's lost tail. Every time someone comes up with a (short-lived) solution, the whole gang sings a very cheerful congratulatory song. By the time they start to sing the song for Kanga, she cuts it off immediately and suggests they celebrate with silence. This of course is because she's a mother of a young child, and probably is a bit worn down by dealing with such songs all the time.

Where is Roo's father?
Since they are Living Toys, it's entirely possible that Roo has no biological father at all.

(Emphasis theirs)

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
OK the rest I...almost can see what angle they're TRYING to come from. Like, they're forcing it as hard as possible but still.


The gently caress does that last one imply?

Is Roo Toy Jesus and they think that's horrifying?

Byde
Apr 15, 2013

by Lowtax

Lottery of Babylon posted:

Fridge Horror is present only in the darkest and most terrifying of fiction, such as


(Emphasis theirs)

I take it they copy pasted it from Postmodern Pooh or Pooh Perplex?

E: Nah Tropers aren't even good enough to make something like what I heard those books were about.

Cornwind Evil
Dec 14, 2004


The undisputed world champion of wrestling effortposting
Some people like to look at silly things and extrapolate incredibly complicated things from them because it's amusing, a form of mental masturbation.

Some people do it and think they've discovered the great secret truth hidden in the work and they're oh so brilliant for it.

Guess which group Tropers are in.

Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.




Secret group C: "discovering" the hidden dark meaning of a work while physically masturbating.

AngryRobotsInc
Aug 2, 2011

That "Winnie the Pooh characters represent mental disorders!" thing is way older than Tropers. I remember hearing it back in the 90s, pretty often.

bucketmouse
Aug 16, 2004

we con-trol the ho-ri-zon-tal
we con-trol the verrr-ti-cal

quote:

In 2003, Marvel tried to get a lower import tax rate on their X-Men action figures by claiming that they were not dolls, but toys. U.S. tariff laws defined a "doll" as a figure representing a human, while a "toy" represents an animal or creature. So in summation, the crux of Marvel's argument was that the X-Men are not human, which directly opposes the main Aesop of the X-Men series. The judge ruled in their favour.

I'm pretty sure this was copied out of one of my Econ textbooks aside from the trope shoehorned in explaining the joke.

Flesnolk
Apr 11, 2012
Unlikely. Tropers think textbooks are for eating.

brocretin
Nov 15, 2012

yo yo yo i loves virgins

AngryRobotsInc posted:

That "Winnie the Pooh characters represent mental disorders!" thing is way older than Tropers. I remember hearing it back in the 90s, pretty often.

The weird thing is that Winnie the Pooh predates most of those diagnoses iirc, so it makes double nonsense

(:goonsay:)

brocretin fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Sep 26, 2014

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

brocretin posted:

The weird thing is that Winnie the Pooh predates most of those diagnoses iirc, so it makes double nonsense

(:goonsay:)

Man don't you know that Death of the Author means that a work can be about anything at all, even things the actual creator couldn't possibly have been writing about?

sweeperbravo
May 18, 2012

AUNT GWEN'S COLD SHAPE (!)

brocretin posted:

The weird thing is that Winnie the Pooh predates most of those diagnoses iirc, so it makes double nonsense

(:goonsay:)

Yo man did u know that if u watch the Lion King it says Sex in a cloud? I kno right pretty sick they show that to kids

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

Gone Phishing


Looked up a rather awful cartoon called Ripping Friends. The trope page had this helpful tidbit.

quote:

Artistic License: Biology: No, there's no such thing as a fart gland.

:eng101:

fade5
May 31, 2012

by exmarx

brocretin posted:

The weird thing is that Winnie the Pooh predates most of those diagnoses iirc, so it makes double nonsense

(:goonsay:)
Just because a disorder historically has a different name (or no name) doesn't mean it didn't exist. Depression has been documented all the way back to ancient Greece (and has almost certainly been a part of humanity for as long as we've been around), shell shock in WW1 is similar/a part of what's called PTSD today, and the crazy dude back in 1400 who was "possessed by evil spirits and claimed to talk to them" probably just had untreated schizophrenia.

AngryRobotsInc posted:

That "Winnie the Pooh characters represent mental disorders!" thing is way older than Tropers. I remember hearing it back in the 90s, pretty often.
This isn't to say Tropers' deep psychoanalysis of Winnie-the-Pooh characters copypasted amateur mental masturbation correct, or that they understand it at all.:v:

Flesnolk
Apr 11, 2012

fade5 posted:

shell shock in WW1 is similar/a part of what's called PTSD today

Wasn't Ulysses S. Grant famously afflicted with severe PTSD? He would go into his tent and cry before battles, and couldn't eat rare meat, IIRC.

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Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

This just in, cartoon characters aren't fully realized human beings, but are in fact caricatures and will often have exaggerated traits for comedic effect.

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