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euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

I dip baby carrots in ketchup.

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Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

euphronius posted:

I dip baby carrots in ketchup.

what the gently caress

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

R. Mute posted:

also why are germans nude all the time? everywhere i go on holiday: naked germans. not even in a sexual way. just no clothes, no shame. what's up with that?

I made a flow chart.

[Is it a weird German sex thing?] -> [Yes] -> [The reason lies in German leftism during either the '68s or the GDR.]

I wish I was being sarcastical with that one. :negative:

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

R. Mute posted:

also why are germans nude all the time? everywhere i go on holiday: naked germans. not even in a sexual way. just no clothes, no shame. what's up with that?

They're trying to signal harmlessness, nice try Germans.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

What's German sex ed like?

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

it probably involves a lot of leather

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

zoux posted:

What's German sex ed like?

Compulsory.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

zoux posted:

My blood pressure is fine and also the link between sodium and hypertension is extremely tenuous.

It isn't tenuous, the thing is that some people have very low susceptibility to high sodium leading to hypertension, and other people have very high susceptibility. It appears to be the result of one group being better than the other at excreting out the salt.

As a result, it's always worth trying restricted sodium intake if you do have hypertension to see whether you're sensitive to it; but if it doesn't work than your hypertension is being caused by something else that needs to be fixed.

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS
By the way, is incest also considered part of the third rail of bioethics, D-Vox?

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Everyone stop worrying about my blood pressure! IT's fine!!

Pythagoras a trois
Feb 19, 2004

I have a lot of points to make and I will make them later.
A new angle for ted talks- plutocrat cross chat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2gO4DKVpa8

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

The Emperor Paul Atreides was heavily insulted when the Bene Gessirt suggested he mate with his sister Alia.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

euphronius posted:

The Emperor Paul Atreides was heavily insulted when the Bene Gessirt suggested he mate with his sister Alia.

Their quest for the Kwisatz Haderach knows no limits.

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx

zoux posted:

What's German sex ed like?

Hands on I hope.

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

zoux posted:

What's German sex ed like?

Anecdotally: when I went to Europe a few years ago I went and checked out the sex museums in both Amsterdam and Berlin. In Amsterdam it was the history of porn, vintage erotica, antique sex toys, and the like. In Berlin--for one thing, there was a bar attached, and buying a museum ticket got you a free Carlsberg, and for another, the museum was a few racks of antique and vintage stuff and then a series of multimedia displays showing, with projected 3d animations, detailed diagrams, and helpful narration, how the deed is done.

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN
Germany has only won one World CUp

Polygynous
Dec 13, 2006
welp

Chantilly Say posted:

Anecdotally: when I went to Europe a few years ago I went and checked out the sex museums in both Amsterdam and Berlin. In Amsterdam it was the history of porn, vintage erotica, antique sex toys, and the like. In Berlin--for one thing, there was a bar attached, and buying a museum ticket got you a free Carlsberg, and for another, the museum was a few racks of antique and vintage stuff and then a series of multimedia displays showing, with projected 3d animations, detailed diagrams, and helpful narration, how the deed is done.

Yeah, the words "industrial" and "precision" come to mind. That's hilarious.

e: TAB A SLOT B REPEAT

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Chantilly Say posted:

Anecdotally: when I went to Europe a few years ago I went and checked out the sex museums in both Amsterdam and Berlin. In Amsterdam it was the history of porn, vintage erotica, antique sex toys, and the like. In Berlin--for one thing, there was a bar attached, and buying a museum ticket got you a free Carlsberg, and for another, the museum was a few racks of antique and vintage stuff and then a series of multimedia displays showing, with projected 3d animations, detailed diagrams, and helpful narration, how the deed is done.

Were there any laser-light shows set to Led Zepplin music?

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

tbp posted:

Germany has only won one World CUp
hmm, i don't think this is true

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN

R. Mute posted:

hmm, i don't think this is true

It is!! You're Belgian join me in being slightly wrong and entirely pedantic to rile up Germans!!!!!

Torka
Jan 5, 2008

zoux posted:

My blood pressure is fine and also the link between sodium and hypertension is extremely tenuous.

My understanding of the relationship was that high sodium intake may exacerbate already-existing hypertension, but won't cause it to develop in a healthy person

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Torka posted:

My understanding of the relationship was that high sodium intake may exacerbate already-existing hypertension, but won't cause it to develop in a healthy person

It's a bit more than that, as it seems that some healthy people have some manner of (probably genetic?) predisposition to develop high blood pressure conditions after prolonged very high sodium intake. But that such a thing isn't possible to happen in most people.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

tbp posted:

It is!! You're Belgian join me in being slightly wrong and entirely pedantic to rile up Germans!!!!!
germany is poo poo!!!! they can't play football and don't win!

Torka
Jan 5, 2008

Nintendo Kid posted:

It's a bit more than that, as it seems that some healthy people have some manner of (probably genetic?) predisposition to develop high blood pressure conditions after prolonged very high sodium intake. But that such a thing isn't possible to happen in most people.

Interesting, I wonder whether that predisposition occurs in isolation or as part of some larger package of traits affecting the kidneys or vascular system

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Well the original basis for the sodium-HBP link came from the 70's where they did an animal study and found you could give rats HBP if you injected them with the equivalent of 600x a normal day's sodium intake. It's also a "common sense" argument where we say that salt causes you to retain fluids which ups your BP.

Mortality studies of people with chronic conditions like HBP, diabetes, etc. actually found that people on low sodium diets had higher mortality rates than people with those same conditions but not on sodium restrictions.

Basically, the role of sodium and blood pressure is highly controversial.

quote:

This week a meta-analysis of seven studies involving a total of 6,250 subjects in the American Journal of Hypertension found no strong evidence that cutting salt intake reduces the risk for heart attacks, strokes or death in people with normal or high blood pressure. In May European researchers publishing in the Journal of the American Medical Association reported that the less sodium that study subjects excreted in their urine—an excellent measure of prior consumption—the greater their risk was of dying from heart disease. These findings call into question the common wisdom that excess salt is bad for you, but the evidence linking salt to heart disease has always been tenuous.

Fears over salt first surfaced more than a century ago. In 1904 French doctors reported that six of their subjects who had high blood pressure—a known risk factor for heart disease—were salt fiends. Worries escalated in the 1970s when Brookhaven National Laboratory's Lewis Dahl claimed that he had "unequivocal" evidence that salt causes hypertension: he induced high blood pressure in rats by feeding them the human equivalent of 500 grams of sodium a day. (Today the average American consumes 3.4 grams of sodium, or 8.5 grams of salt, a day.)

Dahl also discovered population trends that continue to be cited as strong evidence of a link between salt intake and high blood pressure. People living in countries with a high salt consumption—such as Japan—also tend to have high blood pressure and more strokes. But as a paper pointed out several years later in the American Journal of Hypertension, scientists had little luck finding such associations when they compared sodium intakes within populations, which suggested that genetics or other cultural factors might be the culprit. Nevertheless, in 1977 the U.S. Senate’s Select Committee on Nutrition and Human Needs released a report recommending that Americans cut their salt intake by 50 to 85 percent, based largely on Dahl's work.

Basically if you have HBP (which again I don't!!) the best lifestyle thing to do is lose weight.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Our next academic discussion topic is "How do they know how things were actually pronounced in Latin during the Roman Empire?"

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Poetry, pronunciation primers and time travel

ReidRansom
Oct 25, 2004


zoux posted:


Basically if you have HBP (which again I don't!!) the best lifestyle thing to do is lose weight.

I'm pretty sure not smoking helps with that also. But then smoking is terrible for you in a lot of ways and I still kind of miss it anyhow.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

zoux posted:

Our next academic discussion topic is "How do they know how things were actually pronounced in Latin during the Roman Empire?"

when possible, comparing it with people from other cultures and languages attempting to transliterate what a person said, and attempting to divine out pronunciation based on things like apparent intent to rhyme, pun, or use sound alliteration.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Actually no, again studies show that there isn't a relationship between smoking and chronic high blood pressure. Nicotine as a stimulant causes an acute rise in BP but after 20-30 minutes it goes back to normal.

But yeah smoking is bad for you. I do smoke though.

Nintendo Kid posted:

when possible, comparing it with people from other cultures and languages attempting to transliterate what a person said, and attempting to divine out pronunciation based on things like apparent intent to rhyme, pun, or use sound alliteration.

Do we know how accurate these techniques are or is it like "eh, this is probably what it was but really who knows"

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

zoux posted:

Our next academic discussion topic is "How do they know how things were actually pronounced in Latin during the Roman Empire?"

Watching Mel Gibson's documentary movie The Passion of Christ. :colbert:

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YCOT5LasKc

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN
augustus is probably my favorite historical figure

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

zoux posted:

Do we know how accurate these techniques are or is it like "eh, this is probably what it was but really who knows"

accurate in broad strokes, and almost certainly only accurate to certain high-class dialects and writing since that's what we've got to work with for the most part.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

But they didn't all speak in English accents?

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

tbp posted:

augustus is probably my favorite historical figure

All hail brian blessed, fattest, best Augustus.

rscott
Dec 10, 2009
Is church latin spoken with the same accent as normal latin? It was used pretty much unbroken from what, the 4th century AD up until the 1800s?

Bob James
Nov 15, 2005

by Lowtax
Ultra Carp
Everything in Latin rhymes with "my butt".

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Oh also is modern spoken Greek vastly different from ancient Greek. Like if I tried to read some old/middle English inscription I'd be at sea; is it the same for modern Greeks reading old rear end writings?

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tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN

zoux posted:

Oh also is modern spoken Greek vastly different from ancient Greek. Like if I tried to read some old/middle English inscription I'd be at sea; is it the same for modern Greeks reading old rear end writings?

idk but i can say the greek alphabet incredibly quickly

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