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Has anyone in Euroland dealt with gigabyte directly for RMA business? I got a hd 7950 from a friend and the fans didn't spin up at all. After I took it out the case I noticed a resistor had burned out next to the fan plug on the card. Their support site tells me to go through the seller for all warranty questions but the thing is that the company I bought it from has been bankrupt for quite a while now. If all else fails I can do some retarded poo poo and hook up some fans to the motherboard and have them blowing on the card.
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Ash1138 posted:FYI, the MSI 970 with the Twin Frozr cooler doesn't quite fit in a Lian Li PC-V354 case. It's too tall. The power supply sits "above" the video card and one of the heat pipes prevents the power supply from sliding all the way into the case. Guess I'm moving up my plans for getting a new case! Off topic case talk I've given up on Lian Li as a current case maker. They were making great stuff since the PC-60 but they seemed to have stagnated. I have your case and I'll turn it into HTPC eventually for streaming. I'm giving my old PC-A04 to my brother. Not sure what to do with the PC-V360. It's an okay case just bad design when I think about it now. I learned my lesson with "power gaming" with mATX cases. There is just no room for airflow because wires are stuffed everywhere. I'm going with a Corsair Obsidian 450D next.
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Sep 26, 2014 09:08
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Wrap it up boys, the 980 is obsolete. 
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Hace posted:Wrap it up boys, the 980 is obsolete. That's why the bigger version with a 384-bit memory bus is in the pipeline 6GiB VRAM no doubt.. What game is that anyway?
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Looks like Talion from Shadow of Mordor to me.Hamburger Test posted:Had a strange issue with MSI's 970. After couple of hours the VRM fan apparently went full tilt, only I don't think you can see the speed of it anywhere so I had to take the side off and inspect every fan to find out which one it was. It continued to spin at full speed even after a reboot and manually changing the speed in Afterburner. Only a complete shutdown managed to stop it. The main GPU fan was idle and all temperature readers from GPU, CPU and motherboard were in the mid 30s. https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=183618.0 Looks like I'm not the only one That's the MSI Gaming branded 970 on the most recent official driver. Hamburger Test fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Google is hard, but here you go: http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Z97-vs-H97-What-is-the-Difference-562/ I had read that, however it flat out states that you can't Crossfire on the H97, but the ASrock H97 board specifically says Crossfire compatible. So its obviously wrong. From the review I linked to, it said that the second card in a crossfire setup would have lower bandwidth and that may be a problem - it didn't say it definitely would be a problem. Wanted to know if anyone had any wisdom with regards to that - ie. experience with crossfire on an H97 board - does the second card only run at 1xlane and does that make a difference?
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My guess is that on a "Crossfire-capable" H97 board, one card would run at x8, and the other probably at x4.
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Sep 26, 2014 10:29
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Any board that doesn't split the CPU lanes - and that includes every H97 board - gives one card running at PCIe 3.0 x16, and one card running at PCIe 2.0 x4. That is one card getting 1/8th the bandwidth of the other, and it will affect performance significantly at high resolutions, or even at lower resolutions in some titles. The minimum PCIe bandwidth for negligible performance loss is PCIe 2.0 x8/PCIe 3.0 x4. These will be less than 5% of theoretical peak (x16 3.0 for both cards) in the worst case, and almost always less than 1% off. CrossFire will tolerate an extreme PCIe mismatch like this. Unless you are dealing with very mismatched cards or even more of a PCIe deficit than 2.0 x4, you'll see some gains at least. It's SLI that flat-out refuses to configure if you don't give it at least 8 lanes per card (regardless of 3.0, 2.0, or even 1.0). Factory Factory fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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Sep 26, 2014 10:34
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Factory Factory posted:Any board that doesn't split the CPU lanes - and that includes every H97 board - gives one card running at PCIe 3.0 x16, and one card running at PCIe 2.0 x4. That is one card getting 1/8th the bandwidth of the other, and it will affect performance significantly at high resolutions, or even at lower resolutions in some titles. Thanks for quantifying the difference for me - looks like I'd better start comparing some Z97 boards. Loquitor fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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Sep 26, 2014 10:40
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MaxxBot posted:I agree completely with the notion of desiring higher TDP CPUs than Intel currently produces but there are reasons beyond simple desire to save power and focus on mobile as to why the performance gains have been so meager lately. I made a post about this in the Intel thread that I'll paste here to provide some explanation. Disclaimer: I am not a real expert and there are people on this forum who know more about this than I do but I think it could be helpful to some people in understanding why building a faster desktop CPU and a faster desktop GPU is a fundamentally different engineering problem. IMO, it really has less to do with technology than plain old business sense. Why bother pushing clocks and core counts up to overdeliver even more performance when a $60 SB Pentium 3-years ago already runs DOTA2 flawlessly much less Youtube or email. That already meets like 90% of users out there.
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So what is the big advantage of PhysX? I ran the PLA benchmark using my HD 7850 (1 GB, no less) and got well over 60 FPS on high and everything looked pretty good. PhysX was disabled, of course, but I guess that demo doesn't really make its benefit obvious.
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edit: ^^^https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rokcD0nh4I Speaking of SLI and PCI-e lanes, I know that the Z97 mobos with 3 and 4 x16 3.0 slots are using PLX switch chips to get more lanes. I have read people say that these PLX chips add latency. Does anyone know how much latency? Are there any other compatibility issues or problems I should know about?
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Sep 26, 2014 13:18
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Would it be foolish to buy a GTX 770 right now? I don't need the latest and greatest, but I would like an upgrade from my 550 TI as games are starting to struggle even on low settings. I'm thinking timing mainly, already see them discounted on Amazon but are they likely to come down significantly with the 970 out?
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Sep 26, 2014 14:11
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MaxxBot posted:The vast majority of people these days probably don't need a more powerful computer than their smartphone to be honest, it's kind of pointless to even mention the average user in the context of SH/SC posters. Even most SH/SC users have trouble hitting CPU bottlenecks.
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go3 posted:Even most SH/SC users have trouble hitting CPU bottlenecks. You mean you don't encode video on the CPU while you play games? 
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HalloKitty posted:You mean you don't encode video on the CPU while you play games? I have a separate computer for that
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Sep 26, 2014 14:32
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I used to transcode video to a PS3 while playing World of Warcraft on an i5 750
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So that big announcement from AMD yesterday was...a 285 for India? Wow that is taking the piss.
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The Gunslinger posted:So that big announcement from AMD yesterday was...a 285 for India? Wow that is taking the piss. I bet that's not what people had in mind when they sent AMD emails telling them to do the needful.
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Sep 26, 2014 14:55
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Panty Saluter posted:So what is the big advantage of PhysX? The only games where it really shows are the games that go overboard with it, like Borderlands 2. Still looks great without it, but with PhysX, all the elemental effects have crazy amounts of detail, like acid goop splashing and coalescing together.
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Jan posted:The only games where it really shows are the games that go overboard with it, like Borderlands 2. Still looks great without it, but with PhysX, all the elemental effects have crazy amounts of detail, like acid goop splashing and coalescing together. Yeah, you don't get nearly the same kind of wow-factor doing (frankly more complicated) stuff like volumetric clouds instead of weighted sprites (or *insert preferred smoke/cloud asset here). But throw emitters of various kinds everywhere and it adds up, only really works in over-the-top settings for that. I am probably one of the very few people that really liked the use of PhysX in the original Metro 2033, because it was understated and fit the environment really well, and I had a coprocessor handling all the PhysX so I never had to deal with the massive performance hit for disproportionately little apparent PhysX in that game. The Redux games do PhysX right too. I basically just dig the hell out of 4A studios' aesthetic judgments. But by definition, at the moment anyway, and for the foreseeable future, it would be really really hard to make PhysX an actual gameplay feature so it gets tacked on as a much less time- and resource-critical visual feature. I still think CPU PhysX is a great API but that's kinda neither here nor there except that nVidia licenses it out just the same.
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CheeseSpawn posted:Off topic case talk With regards to the 970, I threw my Skyrim install at it and even with a fairly demanding ENB preset, 2k texture packs, and 100+ mods of crap it was pulling 50-55 FPS at 1920x1200. Diablo 3 still drops down into the 20's in multiplayer when there's a bunch of stuff on the screen (as opposed to single digits with the 670), so I'm sure there's some other bottleneck somewhere. Tomb Raider stayed right around 60 FPS with everything at ultra except SSAO and depth of field (both set to normal I think) plus 2x SSAA. Mass Effect 2 is a solid 60 even with 4x transparency supersampling. Tonight I can give Rome 2, Star Citizen, Assassin's Creed 4, and The Witcher 2 a go.
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Berious posted:Would it be foolish to buy a GTX 770 right now? I don't need the latest and greatest, but I would like an upgrade from my 550 TI as games are starting to struggle even on low settings. I'm thinking timing mainly, already see them discounted on Amazon but are they likely to come down significantly with the 970 out? I kind of doubt you'll see them much less than $250 before stock runs out and they shoot back up to *retarded* with the scam resellers. It's hard to say. If that's your budget, that's your budget, and $250 brings you right into the 280x territory and at the end of the day isn't a bad deal. Now once the 960 comes out there's a chance it might be better than a 770 for that price. I dunno, this is actually a hard question for me
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Berious posted:Would it be foolish to buy a GTX 770 right now? I don't need the latest and greatest, but I would like an upgrade from my 550 TI as games are starting to struggle even on low settings. I'm thinking timing mainly, already see them discounted on Amazon but are they likely to come down significantly with the 970 out? I was about to weigh in that it would be very silly to buy a GTX 770, then I checked PCPartPicker and saw they're going for $235 after rebate. I think the only thing it's silly to buy right now is a 760. The 770 and 280X have gotten so cheap, and if you want more performance theres the 970. All 3 of those are absolutely crazy performance / $ right now. $235 GTX 770? Go for it.
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Apologies if this has been asked before... but is there a case to be made for matching SLI cards exactly, down to the manufacturer and model #? I know the series/type needs to match (IE both 780 GTX in my case), as well as the amount of memory and the bus width. I'm sitting on an EVGA 780 GTX 3 GB 384 bit (model 2783) - stock OC. Getting another one of these cards is still ~ $500 for some stupid reason. However, Newegg has a nice looking ASUS card for just under $300, which matches everything except the clock and memory frequencies, which Nvidia claims is no problem on their SLI FAQ. Is it worth trying to locate an absolutely identical card for SLI mode, or are there no significant performance/compatibility gains to be had here? Barring tiny differences in this specific case due to the stock frequencies (the EVGA is higher from factory). If relevant: machine is a 4770K @ 4~4.2ghz, 16GB OC'd to 2133, Crucial M500 SSD, mid-range 850 W corsair PSU, some upper-middle end ASRock motherboard.
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boji posted:Apologies if this has been asked before... but is there a case to be made for matching SLI cards exactly, down to the manufacturer and model #? I know the series/type needs to match (IE both 780 GTX in my case), as well as the amount of memory and the bus width. It should work fine, you will have to match clock rates on the cards.
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boji posted:Apologies if this has been asked before... but is there a case to be made for matching SLI cards exactly, down to the manufacturer and model #? I know the series/type needs to match (IE both 780 GTX in my case), as well as the amount of memory and the bus width. I mixed and matched all the time, it never mattered. Not even any quirky problems. I've never had two SLI cards run at exactly the same mhz same model/brand or not. But its hard for me to say that there aren't two brands out there that have some kind of one off issue. But I'd say dont even worry. The chances are so small and Amazon will take care of you even if it is a used reseller. It even works if they're different memory amounts although it runs at the lower quantity.
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Lowen SoDium posted:edit: ^^^https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rokcD0nh4I I have been informed by a very smart person that the latency meme is basically made up and based on extremely limited evidence. PLX chips don't really affect much of anything. The motherboard vendor's implementation of PCIe is hugely variable in quality, and what can happen is that PLX-switched mode is done more crappily than non-switched.
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With the price now at $1100 in Canada, I feel like the 295x2 is the only sane choice of GPU for someone wanting the best performance price point for ITX / M-ATX builds (And really, why the hell would you build anything bigger in 2014). Am I insane? 
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Rime posted:With the price now at $1100 in Canada, I feel like the 295x2 is the only sane choice of GPU for someone wanting the best performance price point. Yes, 970 SLI better performance? Less power?
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r0ck0 posted:Yes, 970 SLI better performance? Less power? I forgot to add that it's going in ITX / M-ATX, fixed.
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Rime posted:I forgot to add that it's going in ITX / M-ATX, fixed. That's still insane.
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Rime posted:I forgot to add that it's going in ITX / M-ATX, fixed. You can do SLI on a mATX, sure beats paying $450 extra for the same performance and more heat/power.
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Rime posted:With the price now at $1100 in Canada, I feel like the 295x2 is the only sane choice of GPU for someone wanting the best performance price point for ITX / M-ATX builds (And really, why the hell would you build anything bigger in 2014). Well, it's factually the best GPU you can fit in an ITX system, do with that what you will. Doesn't mean it's hitting the sweet spot in price/performance, and you'll need a meaty PSU, and be careful with your ITX case selection.. .. But yeah, it's the best you could get in a single PCI Express slot. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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Rime posted:With the price now at $1100 in Canada, I feel like the 295x2 is the only sane choice of GPU for someone wanting the best performance price point for ITX / M-ATX builds (And really, why the hell would you build anything bigger in 2014). Because you watercool and overclock the piss out of everything.
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veedubfreak posted:Because you watercool and overclock the piss out of everything. If you don't watercool an ITX build, you're doing it wrong.
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I was really mad at my case window and the bright led on the side of my 970, but then I learned I can change it and even tie intensity to stuff like fan speed 
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Rime posted:I forgot to add that it's going in ITX / M-ATX, fixed. M-ATX can do SLI though.. not sure why you saying both at once, you pick one or the other. Edit: Dollars to donuts I'd bet if you hold out a while longer you're going to see a dual-970 card. It wouldn't be any harder to make than the dual-760 card that's already out. Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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Hace posted:Wrap it up boys, the 980 is obsolete. Guess I need to send my 980 back for something that has more jigabytes
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Rime posted:With the price now at $1100 in Canada, I feel like the 295x2 is the only sane choice of GPU for someone wanting the best performance price point for ITX / M-ATX builds (And really, why the hell would you build anything bigger in 2014). Yes, this is insane. Get a GTX 970 or 980 for now, and then leave budget for a GPU refresh in 2 years if you want a really high performance ITX system.
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