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jassi007 posted:I have noticed I guess I just don't get why. The outcome of such a thing is decks that are really similar. It gets closer to "what color do you like besides green?" Its because they don't like the feel-bads when players don't get to cast spells, and WotC wants to focus people on on-board interactions and creature combat. Which since land destruction and countermagic are both sucky as hell in new sets, makes green the de facto best color because you have more mana than everyone else in a format where you can't efficiently counter spells or destroy lands to keep things off the table. Combine that with the fact that green almost always gets some of the best creatures and its stupid to not play that color. WotC wanted to reduce the feel-bads of never casting a relevant spell, and make everything focus on on-board interactions, and they sort of succeeded: but they keep printing better and better creatures without good spells to counteract their impact, reducing the number of playable archetypes to durdley base-green midrange, linear strategies (like mono-red, devotion strategies etc.), and control decks that every year have worse and worse options to fight goodstuff.dec and are slowly losing ground in modern magic.
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Except UW Control was probably the best deck in last Standard? Sphinx's Rev, Detention Sphere, Supreme Verdict, and Aetherling were incredible cards.
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Sep 28, 2014 19:31
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stinkles1112 posted:Do these people not remember Lightning Angel? How can you look at Mantis Rider and not see an obviously playable card? My brother was hyped about playing Jeskai and Mantis Rider because of his nostalgia for Lightning Angel in ye olden Type II. He's now excited that Jeskai is a thing he can feasibly do in Standard.
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Sep 28, 2014 19:42
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Zorak posted:Except UW Control was probably the best deck in last Standard? Sphinx's Rev, Detention Sphere, Supreme Verdict, and Aetherling were incredible cards. Even if you're not of the opinion that the deck was UW control, the top decks still weren't anything like Green dominated. G/R or Jund Monsters, sure, but then it was Mono-B (plus splashes for any other colour), Mono-U, and UW control. (I know that's not your point, Locke, this is for a couple of the other complainers.) Sleep of Bronze fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Sep 28, 2014 |
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Sep 28, 2014 19:46
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Blah, last night Mantis Riders were like 2.50 and I traded them for some Temples of Silence and now they've jumped up to like 8.00 a piece. I knew one of those trades was going to go badly for me.
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Sep 28, 2014 19:48
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Mischalaniouse posted:Blah, last night Mantis Riders were like 2.50 and I traded them for some Temples of Silence and now they've jumped up to like 8.00 a piece. I knew they were going to rise, but gently caress thats a big gain.
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Sep 28, 2014 19:49
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Mostly unrelated to anything going on, but I was just thinking back to how when I first started playing ~ 2 years ago, people kept going on about how Red was the worst and Wizards just wouldn't let red decks ever be good or do anything interesting. Red's been pretty sweet as of late.
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Sep 28, 2014 20:02
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There's cycles of that for every color in every new format. Since I started playing in the late 90's I've seen every color be decried as the 'red-headed stepchild' for some period of time. That's not to say that it wasn't a correct assessment sometimes, but mostly it's just sour grapes/totally subjective determinations. Green really was bad for a long time though.
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Sep 28, 2014 20:12
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Yeah. Not every Standard Format can support every color equally.
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Sep 28, 2014 20:16
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Zorak posted:Except UW Control was probably the best deck in last Standard? Sphinx's Rev, Detention Sphere, Supreme Verdict, and Aetherling were incredible cards.
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Sep 28, 2014 20:23
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Zorak posted:Mostly unrelated to anything going on, but I was just thinking back to how when I first started playing ~ 2 years ago, people kept going on about how Red was the worst and Wizards just wouldn't let red decks ever be good or do anything interesting. Red's been pretty sweet as of late. Agree. I've been very happy with red cards lately. I wish the mono-red devotion deck last standard had panned out a little more, i really liked it.
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Sep 28, 2014 20:28
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So there's some talk in control decks about running Perilous Vault since it can deal with EVERYTHING on turn 5 and the mana requirements are incredibly good, even if you're taking two turns off.
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Sep 28, 2014 20:30
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Are there any chances of ever seeing Counterspell back in standard?
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Sep 28, 2014 20:35
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If Perilous Vaults becomes "A Thing" we'll be seeing Destructive Revelry, Naturalize, Shatter, Sultai Charm (as if you wouldn't play this in a Sultai deck), and maybe Solemn Offering coming out of Sideboards.
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Sep 28, 2014 20:36
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Rinkles posted:Are there any chances of ever seeing Counterspell back in standard?
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Sep 28, 2014 20:37
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Rinkles posted:Are there any chances of ever seeing Counterspell back in standard? <--
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Sep 28, 2014 20:38
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I'd just like to once experience how it warps the game in a standard environment, but I suppose it's effect on modern would be unacceptable.
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Sep 28, 2014 20:41
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Rinkles posted:I'd just like to once experience how it warps the game in a standard environment, but I suppose it's effect on modern would be unacceptable. Lets put bolt, dark rit and swords to plow shares back too. Each color except green gets a crazy powerful thing! Green can have berserk maybe?
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Sep 28, 2014 20:42
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Rinkles posted:I'd just like to once experience how it warps the game in a standard environment, but I suppose it's effect on modern would be unacceptable. Ban it in modern. Fin.
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Sep 28, 2014 20:42
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I think Red should continue to be interesting to watch for the near future as Wizards tries to figure out how best to use the Elkin Bottle tech. They seem to be still very carefully testing it, and Act On Impulse probably suffered for that, but I imagine they'll work out roughly where to go with it. I guess we just have to see whether the mistakes are more Act On Impulse or more Skullclamp. Also we need a better name for it than Impulse (already taken) or Elkin Bottle tech.
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Sep 28, 2014 20:44
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Temporary draw?
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Sep 28, 2014 20:52
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YOHO (you only have once). 
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Sep 28, 2014 20:53
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I'd really like Fact or Fiction available in modern and think it'd be fine in an 18 month standard. I think it's a skill testing card that doesn't invalidate whole classes of cards like Sphinx' Revelation
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Sep 28, 2014 20:56
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Lurchington posted:I'd really like Fact or Fiction available in modern and think it'd be fine in an 18 month standard. I think it's a skill testing card that doesn't invalidate whole classes of cards like Sphinx' Revelation
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Sep 28, 2014 21:05
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Fact or Fiction is too good for Standard. The only way it could come back might be as 2UU instead of 3U, but honestly it's a 5+ mana effect under the current design paradigm.
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Sep 28, 2014 21:15
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So wait people spent all of the last standard season bitching about revelation and now they want Fact or Fiction in standard?
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Sep 28, 2014 21:16
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awesomebrah posted:So wait people spent all of the last standard season bitching about revelation and now they want Fact or Fiction in standard? F&F for Modern, and having it in Standard would be a consequence. Alas, F&F is backbreaking with as powerful as cards are.
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Sep 28, 2014 21:22
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How much play did Sphinx of Uthuun get? 'Cause that's Fact or Fiction strapped to a 5/6 Flier for 5UU. I could see them maybe doing a Functional FoF reprint that's a Sorcery instead of Instant at some point in the future.
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Sep 28, 2014 21:39
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Cernunnos posted:How much play did Sphinx of Uthuun get? It showed up in a few variants of Heartless Summoning so basically none.
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Sep 28, 2014 21:50
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Cernunnos posted:How much play did Sphinx of Uthuun get? 'Cause that's Fact or Fiction strapped to a 5/6 Flier for 5UU. quote:I could see them maybe doing a Functional FoF reprint that's a Sorcery instead of Instant at some point in the future.
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Sep 28, 2014 21:52
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Rinkles posted:Are there any chances of ever seeing Counterspell back in standard? bolt has a better chance of coming back and right now it's chance is pretty loving awful tbh
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Sep 28, 2014 22:01
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Sleep of Bronze posted:4 mana to 7 mana is a big difference, especially if you want the card draw effect particularly. Blue seems like it will be going through a slump in the current standard. I think a few decks are going to mostly be splashing blue for sideboard counter spells and main deck draw(treasure or dig). quick edit: Speaking of Treasure Cruise, first on cam casting of it from a U/R Delver deck and it hits Bolt, Bolt, Mountain.
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Sep 28, 2014 22:06
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stinkles1112 posted:Do these people not remember Lightning Angel? How can you look at Mantis Rider and not see an obviously playable card? I think the extra point of toughness was a big deal. You can't Lightning Strike a 3/4.
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Sep 28, 2014 22:45
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I didn't think the wedge names would trickle to Legacy where delver variant names are so ingrained, but sure enough there's a guy on Sultai Delver on stream right now.
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Sep 28, 2014 23:10
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MiddleEastBeast posted:I didn't think the wedge names would trickle to Legacy where delver variant names are so ingrained, but sure enough there's a guy on Sultai Delver on stream right now. SCG has been doing that, regardless of what people put on their registration sheets. As soon as the wedge names got spoiled, they switched everything over.
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Sep 28, 2014 23:13
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MiddleEastBeast posted:I didn't think the wedge names would trickle to Legacy where delver variant names are so ingrained, but sure enough there's a guy on Sultai Delver on stream right now. The wedge names are awful, BUG and RUG at least should remain BUG and RUG since they are both descriptive, and commonly known. MAYBE the names for Dega and Raka are more newb friendly, but they shouldn't replace their already dumbed down descriptive names they saddled us with over the past few years. I miss when they were called Team America and Canadian Threshold...
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Sep 28, 2014 23:13
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L0cke17 posted:The wedge names are awful, BUG and RUG at least should remain BUG and RUG since they are both descriptive, and commonly known. MAYBE the names for Dega and Raka are more newb friendly, but they shouldn't replace their already dumbed down descriptive names they saddled us with over the past few years. I miss when they were called Team America and Canadian Threshold...
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Sep 28, 2014 23:21
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Oldsrocket_27 posted:SCG has been doing that, regardless of what people put on their registration sheets. As soon as the wedge names got spoiled, they switched everything over. Yeah I assumed it was part of the same push of having all article authors consistently refer to wedges with clan names rather than acronyms to help with the release of Khans. It's just jarring to see for the first time in a non-Standard context. Figured it was them changing it, too, rather than players registering with the new names.
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Sep 28, 2014 23:22
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Goons, what is your preferred 5 drop for a Temur Monsters deck- Sarkhan, Stormbreath Dragon, Prognostic Sphinx, Surrak Dragonclaw, Keranos, God of Storms or Nissa Worldwaker?
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Samael posted:Goons, what is your preferred 5 drop for a Temur Monsters deck- Sarkhan, Stormbreath Dragon, Prognostic Sphinx, Surrak Dragonclaw, Keranos, God of Storms or Nissa Worldwaker?
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