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He also had some history of citing laws that do not exist in arrests or fumbling up DUI checks and poo poo like that. Once again, not justifying his actions, but it does seem like the dude was a just a twitchy goober and not some cold blooded killer with malice. He just seems like to be a dude that can't handle stress at all nor is he very fit for learning.
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Then the fucker shouldn't have applied to be a loving cop. Because he went into a high stress career when he obviously can't handle it, someone's dead.
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Throw that fucker in jail, no excuse for assuming that some random guy is going for a gun. e: of course it wasn't just some random guy it was a random black guy Miltank fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Sep 25, 2014 |
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deratomicdog posted:The guy isn't dead That's what I get for being too quick on the posting trigger. Thank god nobody'll take my posting badge. 
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Kitfox88 posted:That's what I get for being too quick on the posting trigger. Thank god nobody'll take my posting badge. I'm sorry, your going to be fired and your probably going to forums jail now. Oh well.
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Untagged posted:I'm sorry, your going to be fired and your probably going to forums jail now. Oh well. Please, at worse he's going to get put on GBS duty for a few weeks while AI investigates then turns up nothing.
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Idiot + training for idiots by idiots + total fear of blacks. This is the literal reason for I AM REACHING VERY SLOWLY FOR MY LICENSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE ASKED ME TO OFFICER. Or I AM KEEPING MY HANDS ABOVE MY HEAD OFFICER, MY LICENSE IS IN MY WALLET WHICH IS LOCATED IN MY BACK POCKET.
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It's Columbia. The PD there is more focused on busting drunk USC kids than doing any real police work. vvv My b. Gin and Juche fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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Sep 26, 2014 14:34
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It's not the Columbia PD though if you'd read the article.
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Why don't cops look me in the eye when they talk to me?
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Applies to most people anywhere.
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Vahakyla posted:Applies to most people anywhere. However, not looking the police officer in the eyes is considered suspicious behavior.
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Vahakyla posted:Applies to most people anywhere. That is what makes it so weird. Do you have to be somewhere on the autism spectrum to be a cop or is there some reasons for this behavior?
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http://www.ted.com/conversations/5813/why_don_t_people_look_into_eac.html
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First answer in that thread: Political Correctness took away eye-contact....
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Yeah it sucks. I just pointed out that there seems to be no real answer to the cause, but people do avoid it in other professions and interactions, too. drat PC police!
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It's relatively minor but it's a city I live right by, so I'm mildly happy to see he's at least not getting paid vacation for causing a man to die via burning to death in his own car.  Maybe he'll even get jail time since he's up for charges of vehicular homicide and involuntary manslaughter!
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I'm not sure where this site gets its data, but if they are to be believed, the reason it seems like the police have been killing a lot of people lately is because they have.
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What's more confusing to me is they've got 394 listed as unknown race of decent. Were they all illegal immigrants or something or how does that work?  EDIT: Nevermind, after checking the about section I noticed that his sourcing effort is kinda scatterbrained. Unknown simply means that the source didn't mention the race of decent. MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Sep 29, 2014 |
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That chart is misleading as gently caress. Not necessarily saying that it's entirely wrong, but the width of the bars is so out of whack that two high data points completely drown out like 3-5 points of data between them. You can see what I'm talking about if you actually go to that page and hover over the bar chart, there are points in that chart that are completely invisible because neighboring data completely envelops it.
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Trabisnikof posted:Do you think all cops that freak out and shoot someone are out for murder? We have so many unarmed people killed by cops it's practically SOP so I don't see any motive for murder, just another cop making sure he goes home that night. No chances. He intentionally fired a gun at someone, that's intent to kill right there, full stop. There's no need to prove anything more than that. He may well be successful in his defense of it being justified (because ACAB), but that's a completely separate issue.
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Firing a weapon is not the intent to kill necessarily and neither is it even established that he fired the first shot on purpose. Pre-meditated act of killing is kinda big thing and is certainly not all homicided no matter how outraged you are.
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"Firing a weapon" is not the same as firing a weapon at someone in particular. This aspect of the event is pretty legally simplistic: The cop pointed his weapon at the victim and fired. If he wants to make the argument that it was reckless negligence (i.e. a negligent discharge) then that's his option but it's pretty unlikely that anyone is going to buy it. What he's looking at is that he either shot the man with the intention to kill him, or with the knowledge that he probably would kill him, and the prosecution doesn't distinguish between the two when looking at attempted murder. Y'all are making a mountain out of a molehill here. His legal defense will have nothing to do with whether shooting someone is the same as trying to kill them.
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I'm not arguing in the legal sense, in which you are correct. We were responding to a person saying that the trooper pulled the dude over intending to shoot him.
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Let's put it this way: If the victim had walked up to the cop at a gas station, asked for his ID and then shot him when he reached into his truck, the prosecution would be charging him with attempted murder - along with a slew of other charges.
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No one doubts that. Still, it is really unlikely the trooper pulled the man over to kill him. Which was the argument.
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Kaal posted:Let's put it this way: If the victim had walked up to the cop at a gas station, asked for his ID and then shot him when he reached into his truck, the prosecution would be charging him with attempted murder - along with a slew of other charges.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Attempted murder in South Carolina requires premeditation. Pulling out the gun and pointing it at someone constitutes premeditation. There's plenty of examples of South Carolinians being convicted for attempted murder in extremely similar circumstances to this event. Putting together a bunch of stalker photos like in the movies isn't required. http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/25592401/easley-man-sentenced-for-2012-attempted-murder-of-officer http://www.wistv.com/story/5996618/shreveporter-gets-150-sentence-on-attempted-murder-conviction
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Kaal posted:Pulling out the gun and pointing it at someone constitutes premeditation.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:No, it really doesn't. You should probably call up the South Carolina justice department and let them know that they're making some dreadful mistakes.
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quote:SC Code I don't think an officer pulling a firearm will be enough grounds for malice aforethought, but I am not a lawyer. This still ignores that the argument was that the trooper did not plan to kill when pulling the man over. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 08:08 on Sep 29, 2014 |
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Vahakyla posted:I don't think an officer pulling a firearm will be enough grounds for malice aforethought, but I am not a lawyer. Here's the South Carolina Court of Appeals chatting about "malice aforethought" (alternatively known as mens rea or premeditation). In particular I'll direct your attention to their discussion of the jury instructions (charge) of the same: quote:In this matter the trial court instructed the jury thusly: "Malice aforethought" can occur just seconds prior to the act in question (dependent on the jurisdiction, of course). It essentially constitutes the act of rationally planning out the steps required to do violence. "Malice aforethought" is a component of virtually all violent crimes (excepting ones done in an irrational state of mind, or ones that occur due to accident or negligence). One should further note that our modern concept of "malice aforethought" has been heavily influenced by the 1970 Model Penal Code. The MPC had wide-ranging effects on the laws of different states, and the concept of mens rea in particular. A lot of the common terminology used in public discussions of crimes, and even in state statutes, is now functionally obsolete as a result. This is particularly important in the state of South Carolina, which has particularly vague statutes and relies heavily on court interpretation.
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Zamujasa posted:That chart is misleading as gently caress. Not necessarily saying that it's entirely wrong, but the width of the bars is so out of whack that two high data points completely drown out like 3-5 points of data between them. Yeah, the overlapping bars are pretty terrible, but if you go to the tabulated data, you'll still see ~4x uptick since 2010.
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Xoidanor posted:What's more confusing to me is they've got 394 listed as unknown race of decent. Were they all illegal immigrants or something or how does that work? To be fair, police departments make the statistic of "how many people were killed by cops" basically impossible to track so I can understand the scatterbrained sourcing.
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The Tallahassee Police Department has managed to get yet another situation on their hands. The same guys who brought you Rachel Hoffman, Jameis Winston, and Christina West, were just caught on tape tasering a 62 year old woman in the back. http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/277701991.html Officers are on "administrative leave" and will probably get away with this as well. Some of their recent fuckups: Rachael Hoffman was shot and killed at 22 years old during a coerced drug buy. She was an FSU student and had to cooperate or lose her financial aid after getting arrested with .9 oz of  during a traffic stop. The officers involved were suspended WITH pay. The city settled the ensuing wrongful death suit for 2.6 millionChristina West at a whole 5'3" 130 pounds was being admittedly non-cooperative during a DUI arrest. The 6'4" cop Slammed her face down into the pavement hard enough to fracture her orbital bone. http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2267232.ece/alternates/s615/Christina-West.jpg :NSFL: The cops involved were suspended without pay for 2 weeks. The city paid out a 400k settlement. Although the stories swirling about are all over the place from stone cold rape to morning after regret, TPD did a mostly poo poo job of investigating (or not) Jameis Winston in the midst of a National Title run by FSU.
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Not necessarily a cops on the street thing, but holy poo poo: Government Set Up A Fake Facebook Page In This Woman’s Name quote:The Justice Department is claiming, in a little-noticed court filing, that a federal agent had the right to impersonate a young woman online by creating a Facebook page in her name without her knowledge. Government lawyers also are defending the agent’s right to scour the woman’s seized cell phone and to post photographs — including racy pictures of her and even one of her young son and niece — to the phony social media account, which the agent was using to communicate with suspected criminals. quote:In a court filing, a U.S. attorney acknowledges that, unbeknownst to Arquiett, Sinnigen created the fake Facebook account, posed as her, posted photos, sent a friend request to a fugitive, accepted other friend requests, and used the account “for a legitimate law enforcement purpose.” The DEA has been the source of a lot of incredibly reckless behavior before, but this is really gross. How does it never cross anyone's mind that posting images of her young son and niece on account that is just a front for communicating with suspected narcotics traffickers was remotely reasonable? I mean, I can see how someone might briefly think "Hey, this should look like a real Facebook page, so let's get a picture of the kids", but how does no one stop to think of what could be the repercussions of posting pictures of children related to someone they've set up (without her consent) to look like a snitch?
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quote:Bad things can happen. That’s just the world we live in. Bad things happen to good people. Said by the person creating the world where these bad things happen and then the justice system claims were handled responsibly. We should be used to it, but every time the police shoot or explode random citizens and the justice system says that's just the price we have to pay as a society for [reason] it shakes me up that is the reality in which we are living and constantly crowing about how we are the freest country in the world. I mean remove the horrible wounded baby aspect from this story. The POLICE are using flashbang grenades to storm houses of people where the suspect they are looking for isn't even there. How does that not deserve more outrage? Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Oct 16, 2014 |
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