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Schwartzcough posted:See how you feel about this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoODv8LVib8 Maybe I should stick to speedrunning slightly less anime RPGs ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Sep 29, 2014 |
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Schwartzcough posted:People keep trying to justify his behavior this way, but he's just an rear end to everyone- it doesn't matter how annoying or stupid they are. People that are trying to be nice to him or trying to actually engage him beyond giving him orders get just as much attitude. Barudak posted:She's a terrible, terrible instructor and not a leader which in SeeD's weirdo military academy/mercenary highschool is kind of a big draw back for a person who is supposed to be both. Also while not entirely her fault she has difficulty processing what emotion she's actually feeling towards Squall which causes her to break numerous SeeD ethics violations which I'm assuming exist but they may have been written in the future and not yet made it back in time.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Maybe I stick to speedrunning slightly less anime RPGs
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Sep 29, 2014 04:39
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Nihilarian posted:Fair points. Oh god that part. That part is just bewildering, and then she tells the other two to stay put so they can close the gate and what do they do? loving go after her.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:42
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Endorph posted:Even as a huge apologist, I can't blame you in the least. Don't give up so easily! Tell him how in the second game you can power up your attacks to such an insane degree that the damage wraps around and heals enemies!
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Sep 29, 2014 04:44
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In the end, it doesn't matter whether his attitude is justified or not, or whether the writers intended for it to have a justification at all. All that matters is it's not fun for the viewer. While Quistis is undoubtedly a bad teacher and role model, at least she's not intolerable for the entirety of the game.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:48
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Isn't Quistis supposed to be like only a year older than Squall or something.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:56
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Renoistic posted:Isn't Quistis supposed to be like only a year older than Squall or something.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:57
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Anyway older than 21 in a jrpg is taken out back and killed.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:58
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Renoistic posted:Isn't Quistis supposed to be like only a year older than Squall or something. Yes, she's a child prodigy. But if you're a teacher it doesn't matter how close to your age they are. It's not very professional to get all up on your student's dick.
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Sep 29, 2014 04:58
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The game never really elaborates on why Quistis is fired, and we don't see enough of her teaching to say she sucks at it. It's also not like we see her hit on Squall while she's a teacher, so the claims of her being so terrible at her job don't have a lot of support. Her leaving the mission to apologize to Rinoa was stupid, though.
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Quistis being 18 is the weirdest age-thing in RPG history. There's 29-30 year olds who go on about how old they are, but at least they look like they could be 29-30. Quistis looks like she's 29-30 and nobody in the game really comments on her being that young if I recall so 'wait she's 18' is a real shock.
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Sep 29, 2014 05:01
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Endorph posted:Quistis being 18 is the weirdest age-thing in RPG history. There's 29-30 year olds who go on about how old they are, but at least they look like they could be 29-30. Quistis looks like she's 29-30 and nobody in the game really comments on her being that young if I recall so 'wait she's 18' is a real shock. I think I remember a couple of NPCs saying "She became an instructor at a young age!", but that's about it. Also Treppies was a good name for her fan-club.
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Sep 29, 2014 05:05
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Selphie's the best character because 1. She never complains, unlike the rest of the characters. 2. "Blow it to smithereens with a rocket launcher!"
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Leper Residue posted:Oh god that part. That part is just bewildering, and then she tells the other two to stay put so they can close the gate and what do they do? loving go after her. I noticed on my last playthrough that, if you have Quistis in your party, you get a good deal of extra dialogue with her at certain times. For example, if you take her with you into space, or have her in your party when you revisit Edea's Orphanage after rescuing Rinoa from the Sorceress Memorial. I usually have Selphie in my party and she doesn't say poo poo But Quistis will talk a great deal witH Squall or about Squall at those moments and make her a bit more interesting. My take on her going to apologize to Rinoa is that she felt bad about being jealous. Yes, on the surface it was about her yelling at Rinoa for being childish but I recall in those optional scenes with her she talks about being jealous of Rinoa and if you talk to her during the oprhanage bullshit, she says she had "given up" on Squall as soon as Rinoa came around. So I say she yelled at Rinoa because she felt Rinoa was competition. But she was self-aware enough to realize this and thus went to apologize. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Sep 29, 2014 |
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How Rude posted:Selphie's the best character because 1. She never complains, unlike the rest of the characters. 2. "Blow it to smithereens with a rocket launcher!" Also she likes trains. A lot.
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NikkolasKing posted:I noticed on my last playthrough that, if you have Quistis in your party, you get a good deal of extra dialogue with her at certain times. For example, if you take her with you into space, or have her in your party when you revisit Edea's Orphanage after rescuing Rinoa from the Sorceress Memorial. I usually have Selphie in my party and she doesn't say poo poo But Quistis will talk a great deal witH Squall or about Squall at those moments and make her a bit more interesting. It's kind of a shame how fast Quistis becomes irrelevant. She's probably the character I could stand the most and after the assassination attempt I don't recall her doing anything important ever again.
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kirbysuperstar posted:Also she likes trains. A lot. "Train Train Take Us Away. Take Us Away Far Away. To the Future We Will Go. Where It Leads No One Knows." I demand FFVIII-2 where Selphie is a pop-star and some poor, poor voice actress has to belt that out like she means it.
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NikkolasKing posted:I noticed on my last playthrough that, if you have Quistis in your party, you get a good deal of extra dialogue with her at certain times. For example, if you take her with you into space, or have her in your party when you revisit Edea's Orphanage after rescuing Rinoa from the Sorceress Memorial. I usually have Selphie in my party and she doesn't say poo poo But Quistis will talk a great deal witH Squall or about Squall at those moments and make her a bit more interesting. Yeah, she has a lot to say, but I wasn't sure if some of it was just filler talk like other characters would say stuff too or if it was just unique to her since she was in my party as much as possible. How Rude posted:Selphie's the best character because 1. She never complains, unlike the rest of the characters. 2. "Blow it to smithereens with a rocket launcher!" She's also the reason you're even able to fly the Ragnarok around once you get it.
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Kanfy posted:Seifer will always remain in my heart as the guy who performed the most badass feat in Final Fantasy since Sabin's train suplex: How do you get that to happen? I don't remember that at all. ZenMasterBullshit posted:It's actually a pretty fun game so Iunno. What. The. gently caress. I mean, I know there's a lot of poo poo you can skip but that's loving bananas. Schwartzcough posted:See how you feel about this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoODv8LVib8 I'm not sure, I might be reaching, but I think there was some mild sexual innuendo there. Kalenn Istarion fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Sep 29, 2014 |
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Kalenn Istarion posted:How do you get that to happen? I don't remember that at all. The Seifer Odin thing happens way way later in the game, pretty much the very end of disc 3. And it is actually Seifer doing that, not Gilgamesh.
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Kalenn Istarion posted:
So like you can get most of the poo poo done in the first town on the first night since you can actually guess the code very easily. The 3rd digit is always 0. The first one is 1-3, the second is 4-6, and the fourth is 7-9. So getting one number seriously makes it easy to just guess poo poo. There's tons of time saving poo poo in here. Here have this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkwRGit1XCg.
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Kalenn Istarion posted:How do you get that to happen? I don't remember that at all. I'm pretty sure all you have to do is have obtained Odin before you fight Seifer for the last time.
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Schwartzcough posted:See how you feel about this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoODv8LVib8 Has nothing on Rogue Galaxy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhJfg9IxpI8 RagnarokAngel posted:Anyway older than 21 in a jrpg is taken out back and killed. Everyone not named Cid, you mean. 
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Ar Tonelico 1 and 2 is 50% Anime Bullshit, 30% STUPID Anime Bullshit, and 20% genuinely interesting and good character development, as well as some cool songs. It's kinda frustrating.
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Terper posted:Ar Tonelico 1 and 2 is 50% Anime Bullshit, 30% STUPID Anime Bullshit, and 20% genuinely interesting and good character development, as well as some cool songs. It's kinda frustrating. I started playing the first cause of this thread and the RPG thread and I'm about four hours in. The crafting system and magic uh, diving, system seems like it could be really cool. There looks like there could be some exploiting there once I get off this stupid island. The english va is terrible. Just plain terrible. And then the introduction of the diving system is so full of innuendo. It's not subtle at all, and it just keeps going with it, and suddenly the innuendo just stops and it's all serious again. Game is weird. Also tired of fighting stupid regenerating healing people, so if this poo poo keeps going on I'm probably gonna just drop it.
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The first game is kinda slow paced and weird. They were clearly still trying to figure out a working formula. It also, like actually pretty much every single other game in the series, is incredibly breakable and you end up wildly overpowered. The entire series is kind of frustrating because there's constant glimpses of brilliance in it. For all its fanservice, the series is rather impressively feminist, with female characters being universally the big movers and shakers of the story, with male characters relegated mostly to being combat machines and emotional support for the girls. The Cosmosphere/Genometrics idea is a brilliant way of getting more character depth that gets sadly too often used for wrong purposes. Hymmnos is brilliant, and the crafting systems tend to be fairly neat, though kinda simple compared to the Atelier series. There's just so much good stuff, but also so much BAD or creepy stuff, to the point where it's just a very difficult recommendation to make. Honestly if they just toned down the fanservice and innuendo a couple of notches, I could see the entire series being actually really respectable. Unfortunately, Japan.
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I think female characters are the movers and shakers of the story because 90% of the cast is female, and 90% of the cast is female because anime titties.
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The cosmosphere seems like it's literally just "A man enters a woman and empowers her." That's it. Like the first dive is just the dude going "Ok I'm going in this spot" and then she goes "Oh thank you for going to that spot, now I can make this spell!" There is absolutely nothing feminist about it. It is all pro guy, pro woman needs a guy, all the way.
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Endorph posted:I think female characters are the movers and shakers of the story because 90% of the cast is female, and 90% of the cast is female because anime titties. Not incorrect, but maybe we can just be happy they were accidentally feminist? I mean honestly by the end game of AT2 Croix is entirely pointless. I'd never seen a supposed protagonist get shut out of his own games plot so hard. And it's not like something that has an exclusively female cast that still manages to make the female cast weak and powerless, the characters in AT have a tendency to grow and become less lovely people and eventually use power responsibly and poo poo. The series does tend to flip-flop with this and I may be just thinking of AT2 when I say all of these things. (Also I should mention as a sideline that any praise I give to the series is implicitly excluding Qoga. gently caress that game.) ^^^^^^ That changes pretty quick... Though honestly I think the first dive is with Aurica and she's just kinda terrible overall. Plus, it's the first dive in the first game. It's pretty much a tutorial.
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You wanna know a real feminist game series? Senran Kagura.
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It isn't as bad about it's female characters as it COULD be and a couple of them have decent arcs, but it's still a series where 80% of the female cast is in love with the protagonist and both literally and metaphorically lay themselves bare for him at the drop of a hat, come the gently caress on dude. Oh, and pretty much all of the promotional art is ridiculous cheesecake.
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Endorph posted:It isn't as bad about it's female characters as it COULD be and a couple of them have decent arcs, but it's still a series where 80% of the female cast is in love with the protagonist and both literally and metaphorically lay themselves bare for him at the drop of a hat, come the gently caress on dude. I guess you have a point. I just try to be optimistic about this sort of thing, I guess.
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Any goodwill Ar Tonelico might have had was lost when they decided AT3 was something that needed to happen.
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Leper Residue posted:"A man enters a woman and empowers her." What the hell am I reading here
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Evil Fluffy posted:Has nothing on Rogue Galaxy: ARRRRGGHHHHHH!!! Why did you have to post that!? Now all the memories come rushing back! Goddamn Mio! I had to go through two bullshit dungeons because of her! 
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BlitzBlast posted:Any goodwill Ar Tonelico might have had was lost when they decided AT3 was something that needed to happen. Thankfully AnS exists and we can try to pretend that AT3 didn't happen. It's even got an almost AT2-style battle system too. SSNeoman posted:Don't give up so easily! Tell him how in the second game you can power up your attacks to such an insane degree that the damage wraps around and heals enemies! You don't even need to wait until AT2 to do that. The AT1 weapon improvement system is so ridiculously busted that at a certain point you start getting seven hits with each attack, each doing an extra 100% extra damage in every element with various status effects. For each of your three characters, before even using magic or skills. Then the series started trying to shift towards magic in AT2 (still busted but on both ends), further in AT3 (where magic was the only thing that mattered), and now AnS where you wipe out entire fields of enemies in one spell. Oh Gust.
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Schwartzcough posted:Squall is just generally rude and pouty for no real reason. No, there's a reason which I bothered to spell out for you earlier, you just choose to ignore it because it wasn't explicitly pointed out in the game the way Cloud's issues were in FFVII. One of the problems with FFVIII's writing is that there is some stuff beyond what's presented on the surface, but it requires you to actually stop and analyze it, and nobody wants to do that while playing the game, so they just ignore it and whine about the bad writing and terrible characters. quote:I'll also point out that everyone else in the story were ALSO orphans, and all got separated from each other, and none of them (except Seifer) turned into dickbags. Yeah, that's because not everybody reacts to traumatic situations the exact same way.
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Even as a little kid though, Squall was a moody little rear end in a top hat who shunned the other kids who were trying to play with him in favor of Ellone. What I'm trying to say is that Squall never grew up, he's a total manchild.
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