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supermikhail posted:Can someone recommend me a game from the series? I haven't played any of them, but I recently listened to a history audiobook and thought I might like to try a history videogame. The thing is, the book made me especially fascinated with Rome, but then I looked, and Rome: Total War is pretty old, and there are prettier games. At the same time, I feel less enthusistic about Empire's historical period, for example. I have also looked at Medieval 2, and that one seems to strike a good balance, between graphics and my interests... Eh, they are on a Steam sale right now, and you can probably get the whole series for the price of a single new release, but I'm not even sure that's a type of game for me (as time goes by, I play less and less, and I think I'm turning into a dirty casual). Anyway, help? Rome 2 was pretty rough around the edges (to put it mildly) on release but most kinks have been ironed out by now and I'd say it's currently a very good game (though it's not part of Steam's offer). The objectively best game in the series is probably Shogun 2, but Medieval 2 still holds up pretty well if you prefer that setting. edit: oh, apparently Rome 2 is free to play on Steam until tomorrow, so you could give that a shot. peer fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Sep 27, 2014 |
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SeanBeansShako posted:They goddamn better in the next decade at least. I really loved Napoleon and FOTS and some elements of Empire, hopefully we'll see something like that after they give us another Medieval. I am sure they will do either an Empire 2 or a Napoleon 2 (or both) within the next decade
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Sep 27, 2014 16:31
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Hahaha, both my Doge and his heir died on the same day, both do to old age. That fucker was 81 and his son was like 61. e: some dude I adopted became the reagent and if no-one of royal blood is born from my princess than apparently my 61 year old battle hardened grizzled general will be the new king. Roobanguy fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Sep 27, 2014 |
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Sep 27, 2014 17:35
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peer posted:Rome 2 was pretty rough around the edges (to put it mildly) on release but most kinks have been ironed out by now and I'd say it's currently a very good game (though it's not part of Steam's offer). The objectively best game in the series is probably Shogun 2, but Medieval 2 still holds up pretty well if you prefer that setting. Holy disk space! It's gonna be over before I download the whole thing. (Guess it shows how much out of touch I am if disk space requirements surprised me.) I also just discovered the concept of demo, so I'm gonna look at that and see if I'm into this genre. My problem with Medieval II is that Middle Ages' religion makes me unhappy. I know, I'm a weirdo.
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Sep 27, 2014 18:22
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What does it say about me that I've never played a Total War game longer than an hour, but now that I'm playing Hyrule: Total War I can't stop?  I used the sale to buy Kingdoms and try it out and now I'm obsessed.
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Sep 27, 2014 18:33
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A Medieval III would be fantastic. Dealing with the tedious (non-existent) replenishment system of Medieval II is a dealbreaker but I miss my feudal knights charging down peasants badly.
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Sep 27, 2014 19:05
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That and putting the local militia in full chainmail. I miss visible upgrades.
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Sep 27, 2014 19:48
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Doomsayer posted:What does it say about me that I've never played a Total War game longer than an hour, but now that I'm playing Hyrule: Total War I can't stop? Hyrule Total War is so incredibly boring at first, but as soon as big armies start rolling around it is the best.
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Sep 27, 2014 21:02
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supermikhail posted:My problem with Medieval II is that Middle Ages' religion makes me unhappy. I know, I'm a weirdo. You can also download Hyrule, the Lord of the Rings or the Warhammer mod!
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Sep 27, 2014 21:59
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Except the demo for Medieval II (I didn't expect aztecs! Aztecs were a pleasant surprise!) crashed with "an unspecified error" and a Steam discussion suggested a lot of faffing about with files and archives. It crashed only once (haven't tried running again), but I have a bad feeling about it. 
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Sep 27, 2014 22:20
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supermikhail posted:Can someone recommend me a game from the series? I haven't played any of them, but I recently listened to a history audiobook and thought I might like to try a history videogame. The thing is, the book made me especially fascinated with Rome, but then I looked, and Rome: Total War is pretty old, and there are prettier games. At the same time, I feel less enthusistic about Empire's historical period, for example. I have also looked at Medieval 2, and that one seems to strike a good balance, between graphics and my interests... Eh, they are on a Steam sale right now, and you can probably get the whole series for the price of a single new release, but I'm not even sure that's a type of game for me (as time goes by, I play less and less, and I think I'm turning into a dirty casual). Anyway, help? I bought the grandmaster pack a couple years ago. It had every game, and all DLC in a GMG sale for $33  I think I approached it in the worst way possible. Shogun 2 and expansions were the newest games, so I thought I'd start out with Rise of the Samurai! Terrible idea. The battles are super hard and unintuitive, and the agents are mega confusing. OK, start over per thread advice with Shogun 2. It was initially pretty difficult for me to keep the Japanese words straight and especially how to use agents, raise armies, etc. Two hours of frustration, and ultimately I got trapped on an island with no money to build ships and get out  I started up Napoleon in a last ditch to try to get my money's worth for the gazillion games I bought that I don't like. I'd argue that starting with Napoleon is probably the best way to start. The first mini campaign in Napoleon acts as a sort of tutorial and eases you into the mechanics. The unit names and place names are mostly in English (or French). The tactics are a lot more intuitive (point the most possible guns at your enemy, and remember your ABCs - Always Bring Cannons). The empire management and use of agents is so much simpler. Naval battles are a colossal pain but can mostly be ignored in the Europe map. From there, I went straight to Shogun 2 and played that plus Fall of the Samurai. Then Rome 2 a little bit and back to Shogun. I'd have a hard time picking a favorite between Rise, Shogun 2, and Napoleon.
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Sep 27, 2014 22:39
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I Downloaded the Rome II 4-day free access and liked the general gist of it, but $60 is still too much for my budget and how little I'd be playing it, plus some of the strategy level stuff is too wonky for me. I'm thinking of picking up the Napoleon and Shogun 2 collections (no FotS because I'm a dirty mac-haver). I know Shogun 2 is good, but how well-regarded is Napoleon? I know it's effectively "Empire, but not as terrible" but that doesn't give me much of an idea as an outsider to the TW franchise. Are there any mods that start the game in the French Republic era? There doesn't seem to be much diversity in terms of faction choices in Napoleon, so should I just bite the bullet and get the Empire collection instead?
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Sep 27, 2014 22:59
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Azran posted:Did a mod ever come out that fixed the broken pike/musket behaviour in Medieval 2? I just want to play in a medieval setting again. Dunno about muskets, but several Medieval 2 mods fix pikemen simply by removing their second weapon. With only pikes, they maintain their phalanx and don't immediately switch to butter knives the moment they make contact with the enemy.
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Sep 27, 2014 23:13
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Spiderfist Island posted:I Downloaded the Rome II 4-day free access and liked the general gist of it, but $60 is still too much for my budget and how little I'd be playing it, plus some of the strategy level stuff is too wonky for me. I'm thinking of picking up the Napoleon and Shogun 2 collections (no FotS because I'm a dirty mac-haver). Napoleon is a lot of fun and has more faction-to-faction diversity than Empire does. It and Shogun 2 are easily the strongest Total War games (though I suspect Medieval 1 would still stand up pretty well these days apart from the graphics and controls).
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Sep 27, 2014 23:34
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John Charity Spring posted:Napoleon is a lot of fun and has more faction-to-faction diversity than Empire does. It and Shogun 2 are easily the strongest Total War games (though I suspect Medieval 1 would still stand up pretty well these days apart from the graphics and controls). Medieval 1 has a level of immersion to it that has only been matched by Shogun 2 to date. I seriously like it more than Medieval 2 which feels lifeless and empty to me after all these years.
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Spiderfist Island posted:I Downloaded the Rome II 4-day free access and liked the general gist of it, but $60 is still too much for my budget Definitely don't spend $60 on it. It's already gotten as low as $25-30 in previous sales. Get the other games now while they're on sale and wait for another sale on Rome 2.
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Sep 28, 2014 05:52
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Athropos posted:Medieval 1 has a level of immersion to it that has only been matched by Shogun 2 to date. I seriously like it more than Medieval 2 which feels lifeless and empty to me after all these years. Too bad Medieval 1 is loving impossible to get working on a modern PC.
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Sep 28, 2014 05:53
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THS posted:Too bad Medieval 1 is loving impossible to get working on a modern PC. You are gay.
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Athropos posted:Medieval 1 has a level of immersion to it that has only been matched by Shogun 2 to date. I seriously like it more than Medieval 2 which feels lifeless and empty to me after all these years. Yeah I haven't played it in years - last time I tried I couldn't get it running at all - but this is my memory of it, certainly. A very particular atmosphere which hasn't been replicated by any of the subsequent games, and some flat-out great gameplay mechanics too (like each unit having its own leader with stats and even the potential for traits, or the crusades harvesting troops as they passed through provinces so that you ended up with a complete ragged hotch-potch army by the time you reached the crusade target - I loved that). I can't get on with Medieval 2 these days. It feels horrible to play, not helped by the interface being ugly as sin.
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Sep 28, 2014 15:47
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Medieval 1 also had the best civil war mechanic.
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Sep 28, 2014 15:55
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AttitudeAdjuster posted:Medieval 1 also had the best civil war mechanic. It boggles the mind that they haven't repeated it since. Imagine realm divide in Shogun 2 but it gives you the option to play as the Emperor.
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Sep 28, 2014 17:44
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I can never understand why they never brought back the feature to ransom, recruit or kill off the wounded from battles too. This is especially jarring in the gun powder games, when you kill entire armies to the last man. Age of reason my rear end.
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Sep 28, 2014 18:06
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If I pick up Napoleon in the sale, is it worth it to get the DLC too, or is vanilla fine on its own?
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Sep 28, 2014 18:32
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I just purchased Medieval 2 over 10 years after loving Medieval 1 to death. Should I start playing vanilla and then move to mods or jump in with mods right away
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Sep 28, 2014 19:00
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If anyone's wanting to play the original Medieval, I got it working on 64-bit Windows 7 using this and didn't have any problems for the short while that I played it, worked with or without Viking Invasion, still no widescreen though.    
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Sep 28, 2014 19:02
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wocobob posted:If I pick up Napoleon in the sale, is it worth it to get the DLC too, or is vanilla fine on its own? Vanilla Napoleon is great but I thought the Iberian campaign was a lot of fun as well.
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John Charity Spring posted:Napoleon is a lot of fun and has more faction-to-faction diversity than Empire does. It and Shogun 2 are easily the strongest Total War games (though I suspect Medieval 1 would still stand up pretty well these days apart from the graphics and controls). Thanks for the feedback, I bought both of them + expansions. I'm looking forwards to playing them once I'm done with all my gradschool work this coming week. 
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Sep 28, 2014 19:12
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Well, I, too, got Medieval II off the sale. And... both tutorials broke. In the battle tutorial Harold, er, of the English, refused to die when scripted, but otherwise it ran fine. The campaign tutorial is unplayable because Rufus refuses to get on the boat!  But it's the important tutorial. That's where I don't understand what's going on! ...That's I understand less of what's going on!
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Sep 28, 2014 19:49
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I suggest looking up the tutorial on YouTube if the tutorial is broken in game.
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Sep 28, 2014 20:03
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SeanBeansShako posted:I can never understand why they never brought back the feature to ransom, recruit or kill off the wounded from battles too. In Rome 2 it's kill, enslave or release! I expect Attila will add a ransom in there somewhere, maybe in place of enslave, now that family trees are a thing again. Recruit could be fun, though I could see why they wouldn't have it in a system with replenishment.
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Sep 28, 2014 20:46
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SeanBeansShako posted:I can never understand why they never brought back the feature to ransom, recruit or kill off the wounded from battles too. I could spare listening to someone beg for their lives after every single battle followed by hearing someone having their throat slit right after. My generals ended up being super noble because of that.
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Sep 28, 2014 20:57
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Mans posted:I could spare listening to someone beg for their lives after every single battle followed by hearing someone having their throat slit right after. Same, but it's not my fault their lords won't pony up. 
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Sep 28, 2014 21:06
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just got Rome II what do I need to know?
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Sep 28, 2014 21:54
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Miltank posted:just got Rome II what do I need to know? What kinda tips are you looking for exactly? Like level of familiarity with other TW games, etc.
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Miltank posted:just got Rome II what do I need to know? Get a mod that reduces or stops AI use of agents.
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Did shalcar evr write up that final summary of the economy in Shogun 2? The forth post just says "summary coming soon."
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StashAugustine posted:Did shalcar evr write up that final summary of the economy in Shogun 2? The forth post just says "summary coming soon." It's not written yet on account of life conspiring to barely give me time to get my main LP updates out, let alone get any bonus ones done and the maths heavy posts tend to kill the thread a bit, so I like to have a little momentum up before I drop one. It's a good point though, I'll see if I can't get it written up this week to wrap up my economy series of posts.
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Is there a way to get food in Shogun beyond +1 per farm building? If I need a surplus (for high-level markets, for example) I have to short one province a town size?
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StashAugustine posted:Is there a way to get food in Shogun beyond +1 per farm building? If I need a surplus (for high-level markets, for example) I have to short one province a town size? There is a chi art that gives you bonus food but other than that you are correct in that you need to choose between fortifications and the extra building slots or bigger markets.
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shalcar posted:There is a chi art that gives you bonus food but other than that you are correct in that you need to choose between fortifications and the extra building slots or bigger markets. Thanks. As Date, is it possible to go all-in on charge/weapons for my no-dachis or do they need a little armor?
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