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Valiantman posted:The Federal Police of Russia is starting an official investigation. About what, you ask? Well, of course about the genocide of 2500 Russian speaking East-Ukranians in Donetsk and Luhansk. According to the police, several unnamed people in the political elite and military command of Ukraine, the Ukrainian national guard and the Right Sector meant to eradicate the entire Russian-speaking population there. They also magically assume that all the victims are Russian speakers.
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OddObserver posted:They also magically assume that all the victims are Russian speakers. We should think of them as Russian-speaking aspirants, for who wouldn't want to speak Russian!
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The president of Nigeria wants to spend a billion dollars buying 12 military helicopters from Belarus. Belarus is more than happy to sell them to Nigeria. There's just one problem though. Belarus doesn't manufacture military helicopters. http://leadership.ng/news/385339/1bn-arms-loan-belarus-helicopter-manufacturing-country What Belarus does do is take Soviet-era equipment and upgrade the technology, then sell these gently used pieces of equipment to other countries.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:The president of Nigeria wants to spend a billion dollars buying 12 military helicopters from Belarus. Belarus is more than happy to sell them to Nigeria. Are the helicopters being bought by a prince who requires an initial payment by Belarus to make the transaction easier?
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my dad posted:Are the helicopters being bought by a prince who requires an initial payment by Belarus to make the transaction easier? What Goodluck Jonathan wants to see is a crackdown on Russian-linked financiers dealing with Boko Haram. How to best do so?
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Brown Moses, is any of this research being used by airline investigators? Without being more specific, I expect so.
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The party list of Internet Party of Ukraine for Rada elections is out: http://www.cvk.gov.ua/pls/vnd2014/WP406?PT001F01=910&pf7171=179 ... I think they have their #1 and #2 flipped, though?
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Reports of a concentration camp in Donetsk, also, the mass graves of dead are people killed by Russians occupying Donetsk and Luhansk. quote:Near Donetsk and other cities in the East of Ukraine is the concentration camps and places of mass executions and torture. http://24today.net/open/159241 Video of fighting near Illovaisk, so probably pre-ceasefire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r-GEtrQCug HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Sep 30, 2014 |
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Death to Putin, death to all separatists.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:The president of Nigeria wants to spend a billion dollars buying 12 military helicopters from Belarus. Belarus is more than happy to sell them to Nigeria. This sort of thing regularly happens with other secondhand Russian gear. Want some MiG-21s? Well Russia doesn't build them anymore, so maybe broker a deal via India, Ukraine, and Romania and get upgraded cockpits for them along the way? Likewise I think a bunch of East Germany's MiG-29 fleet ended up in Poland. Plus I'm sure all kinds of wacky small arms deals out of Eastern European stocks.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Death to Putin, death to all separatists. Come on now, this is getting tiresome and adds nothing to the Debate and Discussion.
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Ardennes posted:Admittedly, most of the fall in the rouble is probably due to falling oil prices than anything else, sanctions aren't helping obviously much the majority of Russian exports are petroleum based, so a rapid fall in prices is going to really hurt them. Global investors are pulling their money out of rouble denominated assets. They sell the assets for roubles, and then go to the FX markets to exchange it for a currency which is more stable (Euro, Franc, Dollar, etc). To counter this, the Russian central bank can use their foreign reserves to prop up the currency by buying said roubles. However, foreign reserves are not unlimited and if George Soros and friends gets wind of it, they could have a run on the currency at certain levels. That being said, I think that the Russian central bank has chosen to raise rates to lure in investors with a promise of higher returns rather than prop up the currency through reserve purchases. I don't think it has been working, especially with the politics involved. In summary, nobody wants to hold roubles right now because it is too risky. This creates more sellers than buyers of roubles, reducing its value. e: clarified some things. Cheesemaster200 fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Sep 30, 2014 |
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Freezer posted:Come on now, this is getting tiresome and adds nothing to the Debate and Discussion. And yet it is a perfectly valid response to finding out that the Russians are apparently running concentration camps.
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:And yet it is a perfectly valid response to finding out that the Russians are apparently running concentration camps. I don't want to be the rear end in a top hat who has to say it, but it's a report by the head of the Ukrainian Security Service. With accusations of using nuclear weapon being thrown around, I'd rather wait for a third party report to confirm this.
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It is clearly BS. But on the other hand; the occupied parts of Donbas are basically under military rule by foreign neo-Nazis and Fascists so you never can be too sure.
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Ceterum autem censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
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Concentration camps and mass graves sound like exaggerations until we see any more hard details, much like Russia's own "investigation" into supposed "ethnic cleansing" in Eastern Ukraine against Russian-speakers. There's no need to go big on such crimes when there's plenty of more modestly-scaled murders and suppressions to hold people to account for. Law and order appears extremely tenuous inside separatist territory and there's definite reprisals taken against pro-Ukrainian voices, they probably won't have camps but there's also probably plenty of bodies dumped in the woods.
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Cheesemaster200 posted:Global investors are pulling their money out of rouble denominated assets. They sell the assets for roubles, and then go to the FX markets to exchange it for a currency which is more stable (Euro, Franc, Dollar, etc). To counter this, the Russian central bank can use their foreign reserves to prop up the currency by buying said roubles. However, foreign reserves are not unlimited and if George Soros and friends gets wind of it, they could have a run on the currency at certain levels. Most of the loss has always coincided with a significant drop in oil prices at the same time, the ruble is a petrol-currency. Foreign investors pulling out assets is going to effect it, but so is a drop in oil prices. It is a little from both A and B.
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http://echo.msk.ru/blog/sergei_mitrohin/1408746-echo/ An article on property seizures in occupied Crimea. I think we all know whom this will target.
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Warcabbit posted:Ceterum autem censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
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kalstrams posted:Could you translate it into some plebeian language? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carthago_delenda_est
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29429602 BBC reporting that the EU will keep sanctions on Russia in place for now, as the Ukraine peace deal "is not fully effective." Along those lines, artillery "pounding" Ukrainian positions at/near Donetsk airport, and Grad rockets hit a Ukrainian-held town (Popasna) west of Luhansk. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29424766
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kalstrams posted:Could you translate it into some plebeian language? English: "Furthermore, I consider that Carthage must be destroyed"
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Cool article: http://boingboing.net/2014/09/30/when-russians-thought-the-inte.html Best quote in it: "There are dozens of comments on any political post. The commentators write about the wisdom of Putin, the increasing Russian economy and the greedy and guileful United States who dreams to destroy Russia and conquest their territory before a San-Andreas earthquake or Yellowstone explosion ruins their country."
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TeodorMorozov posted:English: "Furthermore, I consider that Carthage must be destroyed" I figured Lucy could use it, you know? Sorry, I figured it was right up there with "Omnia Gallia in tres partes divisa est" as something that didn't really need translation. Warcabbit fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Sep 30, 2014 |
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Warcabbit posted:Sorry, I figured it was right up there with "Omnia Gallia in tres partes divisa est" as something that didn't really need translation.
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Eh, your English is better than my Latvian, so there you go.
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Warcabbit posted:Sorry, I figured it was right up there with "Omnia Gallia in tres partes divisa est" as something that didn't really need translation.
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Warcabbit posted:Sorry, I figured it was right up there with "Omnia Gallia in tres partes divisa est" as something that didn't really need translation. Well I needed that translated as well, not that I am incapable of using google. I found both translations easily enough.
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Niedar posted:Well I needed that translated as well, not that I am incapable of using google. I found both translations easily enough.  on Google. 
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Belarusian Air Force lost a Su-25 today. the pilot ejected and there were no injuries. http://nn.by/?c=ar&i=136222 quote:On September 30, Lida district, Grodno region crashed military aircraft Su-25. About this TUT.BY told several sources. Information about the dead and injured yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BsPtsz-zyQ Remember that Lithuanian fishing boat that Russia took control of? They still have it and the crew in custody, so now the EU sent the Russians notice to let the boat and the crew go free. Let's see how well that works out for them. http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/542aebfccbb20ff624de673c And finally, enjoy some funky beats from Belarus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDocZvF2WjA HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Sep 30, 2014 |
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Ardennes posted:Most of the loss has always coincided with a significant drop in oil prices at the same time, the ruble is a petrol-currency. Foreign investors pulling out assets is going to effect it, but so is a drop in oil prices. Oil prices do not directly affect currency. Russia sells their oil in rubles, you need rubles to buy it. Oil prices go down, you need less rubles to buy said oil. Being a major exporter of oil creates a internal demand for rubles because foreign buyers are forced to purchase them to get oil. FX, more than any market, is all based on supply and demand.
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Cheesemaster200 posted:Oil prices do not directly affect currency. Confidence in the Ruble is going to directly depend on economic variables like the viability of exports, and for Russia that depends on the demand for oil. I don't buy that a steep decline in oil prices isn't going to affect the currency of a country where it makes up over 50% of exports, even if you want to say it isn't "direct." Btw "Petro-Currency" has 3 majorly used definitions, quote:Petrocurrency is a neologism used with three distinct meanings, though often confused: I am using the second definition. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Sep 30, 2014 |
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eigenstate posted:
Sergg posted:Pat Buchanan is basically a fascist. It's very sad that Russian's feel anything other than contempt for Buchanan. Pat Buchanan wrote a (vile) book entitled Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War. Buchanan regrets that Nazi Germany lost, or at least lost as they did, because Nazi dominated Eastern Europe would have been preferable to a Russian dominated one. The book contains the line: "the victory of 1945 was a tainted victory, if indeed it was a victory at all."
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Cheesemaster200 posted:Oil prices do not directly affect currency. The question is, to whom does Russia export oil? With the sanctions taking effect and being expanded, there is only one ready answer which immediately comes to mind. Whats worse for Russia, this economy is experiencing a bit of a slow-down and is well on its way to a balance sheet recession.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:And finally, enjoy some funky beats from Belarus. This loving owns.
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Dilkington posted:It's very sad that Russian's feel anything other than contempt for Buchanan. I have to correct my mistake about Buchanan. I strongly implied that Buchanan was a congressman, while anyone remotely knowledgeable in the subject would know that's not the case. That's entirely my mistake. Here are just some that were translated into Russian in the last year: Why play Cold War games in Ukraine? The Specter Haunting Europe Balkanization Beckons Nationalism, Not NATO, Is Our Great Ally Whose Side Is God on Now? ----- Back in financial news, the ruble tumbled again yesterday on rumors of capital control: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russias-ruble-dives-to-record-low-as-rumors-of-capital-controls-spread/508131.html  Deutsch Anlegern  RusslandThen today, the Russian Central Bank is denying all such rumors and investigating Bloomberg News for market manipulation: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/busin...ble/508161.html  ----- Also recently, Russia suspended the Future Leaders Exchange Program (FLEX) with the US because ...  Americans are abducting Russian children into homosexual families and turning them gay! http://www.rferl.org/content/astakhov-us-program-exchange-couple-gay-illegal-adoption/26615391.html ----- In the serious news of wrestling geo-politics, the WWE had to apologize about the incident with the Russian flag: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/09/wwe-apologizes-russia-flag-rusev-big-show Now I have to wonder if the Hulk Hogan Soviet flag incident could have been a WW3 flashpoint. 
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Brent recently has dropped to 94.2 dollars a barrel.
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Vice prime minister Rogozin confirmed that Moldavia is probably the next target. http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/752249
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OhYeah posted:Vice prime minister Rogozin confirmed that Moldavia is probably the next target. Yes, Romanian intelligence leaked that to us months ago.
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