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Cool I figured it was just the speakers. I'll put some cheap bass or guitar speakers in anyways and who cares if they get destroyed? Might be a cool sound. Tone is relative and I'm pretty thankful I didn't get a bunch of people on here saying "you can if you want it to sound like anus sludge."
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You may want to pull a data sheet on the speaker, if you have several speakers to choose from. Bass speakers tend to (hopefully) have a lower usable frequency (fundamental) and a lower resonant frequency. Usually by about half. Not that it necessarily matters, you aren't hearing only the fundamental, but also harmonic overtones. Apparently most of what you're hearing on a low E on a bass guitar is the second order harmonic, but I'm hardly an authority on this subject.
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Aug 22, 2014 21:54
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Also keep in mind bass speakers are designed for closed back/ported cabs, which help with low frequency clarity and preventing excessive speaker excursion (which is the main thing that causes basses to blow out guitar speakers). The former means you probably won't see as much difference in terms of low end as you might expect given you've said the JC120's speakers are already pretty decent on the low end, the latter means that there could still be a chance of blowing even a bass speaker if you turn it up too high (basically if you hear any speaker distortion, turn the volume back down), but I'm guessing that you probably won't given it's not "Instant Death" even for guitar speakers (hence the range of different experiences people have with bass through guitar speakers - there's solid explanation/a reason why xlim/xmax are listed in bass speaker spec sheets, but yeah). I would worry a little about excessive vibration but that's generally only an issue for tube amps (because tubes) or amps that are built like poo poo, the JC120 should be neither of these things. e: jwh posted:Apparently most of what you're hearing on a low E on a bass guitar is the second order harmonic, but I'm hardly an authority on this subject.
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th1nk posted:Also keep in mind bass speakers are designed for closed back/ported cabs, which help with low frequency clarity and preventing excessive speaker excursion (which is the main thing that causes basses to blow out guitar speakers). The former means you probably won't see as much difference in terms of low end as you might expect given you've said the JC120's speakers are already pretty decent on the low end, the latter means that there could still be a chance of blowing even a bass speaker if you turn it up too high (basically if you hear any speaker distortion, turn the volume back down), but I'm guessing that you probably won't given it's not "Instant Death" even for guitar speakers (hence the range of different experiences people have with bass through guitar speakers - there's solid explanation/a reason why xlim/xmax are listed in bass speaker spec sheets, but yeah). Good info, never thought of the closed back thing. That scale thing could be interesting and relevant as she plays a short scale. At the end of the it will make sound, and for where she is right now in her bass playing that will be good enough. Her dad does a lot of car audio stuff. We are also considering having him make speaker box with a car amp and ghetto rigging it to run bass. Could be cool.
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I have this old hybrid peavey amp that's been acting up lately. I decided to order some new tubes for it to see if it helped any of the problems (plus the ones that are in it are likely ancient). It uses 2 6l6gc power tubes and I pulled one out to see what brand it was. I pulled it out and it only has 6 pins. I've never had another amp with 6l6's before, but I've changed el84's and they had all the pins. I don't see any evidence that anything broken off. Do they make these tubes with only 6 pins? The socket seems to have 8 pins but the tube has no 1 and 6 pin. One appears to be a sovtek and the other looks identical but don't see and markings on it. What's the deal? Help me out amp experts.
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6L6s and 5881s don't use pin 6 and only have pin 1 grounded to the tube outer shell if it's metal. If they've ever got those pins included, they're just dead pins. FWIW, EL84s don't actually use pins 1, 6, or 8.
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Fun story, I went to the a shop today to try out a Jet City JCA20HV because they had it on an awesome deal. When I actually started playing the amp I couldn't get anything out of it outside of a weird hum if the volume was cranked. When I looked at the back of it I saw that the guy plugged in the matching 16 ohm cabinet to one of the 8 ohm outputs.  At least it wasn't my fault, plus it was probably a sign from god or whatever.
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Schpyder posted:6L6s and 5881s don't use pin 6 and only have pin 1 grounded to the tube outer shell if it's metal. If they've ever got those pins included, they're just dead pins. Ok. Thanks for the info. Wanted to be sure before I ordered new tubes.
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umalt posted:Fun story, I went to the a shop today to try out a Jet City JCA20HV because they had it on an awesome deal. I've contacted JC about their ratings before. Direct from the horses mouth, they say you can run dual 16ohm cabinets into the dual 8ohm ports on the JCA22H.
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Whelp, I have no idea what happened then. Still you'd think a guy working at a music store would be careful about impedance matching.
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umalt posted:Whelp, I have no idea what happened then. It was the tone gods telling you to go with the two channel version. 
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Would, but the store is clearing out their JC stuff and the 20HV and the 100HDM were the only things left, which is way too much amp for one bedroom.
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Aug 26, 2014 21:05
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Get a second bedroom, then.
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Gorgar posted:Get a second bedroom, then. this
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:I've got a question about the Line 6 Spider III. A friend has one and is offering it to me; I'm not taking it, but it has a weird feature/bug/??? that makes no sense to me and I'd like an explanation of it. Broken pot, dirty pot or a bad solder connection the pot.
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Someone in Illinois needs to go buy this Linden era Ampeg bass amp and cab for $165. http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-AMPEG-BT-15-BASS-AMPLIFIER-50-WATTS-Guitar-Speaker-/331305063096?_trksid=p2054897.l4275
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Yes, buy it and sell me the head for $165 because I bought a BT-15 cab for $60 last year.
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Big thanks to you guys who gave me advice on clean amps. I'm back with a refined idea of what I was really looking for. The best tone I've ever pulled out of my equipment is my CV50s Tele with flatwounds into my Aguilar TH500 bass amp. It's the exact punchy, full bodied, clear sound I've been hearing in my head for a long time. Is there a guitar amp equivalent of that? If I could get an amp that gives me the Tone Hammer sound but slightly more guitar focused I would be in heaven. I could get a few dirt pedals in front for when I need to fart out some metal and be set for a long time.
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Kilometers Davis posted:Big thanks to you guys who gave me advice on clean amps. I'm back with a refined idea of what I was really looking for. The best tone I've ever pulled out of my equipment is my CV50s Tele with flatwounds into my Aguilar TH500 bass amp. It's the exact punchy, full bodied, clear sound I've been hearing in my head for a long time. Is there a guitar amp equivalent of that? If I could get an amp that gives me the Tone Hammer sound but slightly more guitar focused I would be in heaven. I could get a few dirt pedals in front for when I need to fart out some metal and be set for a long time. The first thing that comes to mind would be a Hiwatt or something similar. A 50 or 100 watt head might be a bit overkill depending on your situation, though there are lower powered options with a similar flavor as well.
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I am all about fender bassman/ ampeg v4 for clean tone, course I also like LOUD clean tone
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Didn't know if I should put this here or in the guitar thread, but I'm sure there's enough cross posters either way. I'm finally getting around to making my amp cab, and I'm just not 100% clear on the role of resistance. I've got an Orange Micro Terror, which has a "Minimum 4 Ohm" rating on the back. That only refers to how low I can go in terms of total resistance, not what I should be trying to hit as a target for best sound? If I were to run with a 16 ohm speaker, would there be a sound difference vs an 8 ohm of the same model? I'm currently looking at a single speaker that I could reuse if I decide to go to a side by side when I stop living in an apartment, but I don't want it to sound awful if it's running solo. Also, do you guys think a Warehouse Green Beret is a good match for the Micro Terror?
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Here's a recent post of mine in the guitar megathread with a couple of links to guitar amp impedance guides.
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pointlessone posted:Didn't know if I should put this here or in the guitar thread, but I'm sure there's enough cross posters either way. In regards to the WGS Green Beret, I wouldn't recommend it. The Micro Terror (and Orange amps in general) is a darker amp with an emphasis on the lower-mids, while the Greenback is a mid-rounded guitar speaker; which tends to make it not as bass-y or as bright as you may or may not want. But for some speakers also by them, my number one would be their Veteran, it has a more of an upper-mid emphasis which helps balance out the sound (plus Orange puts their inspiration, the Vintage 30, stock in their cabs and I don't think anybody complains about them). I also have a 212 cabinet with a Celestion Greenback and a G12H Anniversary and it sounds alright (though it could use a little more high-end); the greenback sounds a little dark, but I would highly reccommend the G12H; and it's WGS counterpart the Reaper. Edit: Played my Micro through my cab again just now, and I can attest that a greenback makes it sound too dark and unfocused; but the G12H has clarity and good enough for what you'd want out of the Micro Terror. I'd still recommend a 'Vintage 30'-like; just so that you'll get the 'Orange' sound. Adeline Weishaupt fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Sep 11, 2014 |
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I like V30s in general and I think they really shine with Orange amps. WGS has a V30 equivalent (Veteran 30) with an evened out treble response but you might want to roll with their more faithful repro, the Retro 30. The upper-mid hump is really useful for cutting through a mix.
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Since the concensus on the Bugera v22 is that it's kind of a lemon, what should I get instead? I want a small tube-amp at around the same price with a nice fat clean tone. I don't need ultra high gain. I sort of have my eye on the Laney Cub12R because it has a seperate 1W input for bedroom use.
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Used Peavey Classic 30.
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Anyone have a Laney IRT studio? I'm looking for a high gain tube amp I can play at low, my wife wont divorce me, levels. I play mostly vst plugins but I've been craving an actual amp again. If I absolutely have to go solid state the Yamaha THR10X looks really cool. Any experience with these?
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umalt posted:I'd still recommend a 'Vintage 30'-like; just so that you'll get the 'Orange' sound. Took your advice, finally got the Veteran 30 (it was backordered), sounds AMAZING! Thank you, it sounds so much better than the basic cab did.
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Whale Cancer posted:Anyone have a Laney IRT studio? I'm looking for a high gain tube amp I can play at low, my wife wont divorce me, levels. I play mostly vst plugins but I've been craving an actual amp again. Yamaha THRs are loving rad and I'd recommend going with that.
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pointlessone posted:Took your advice, finally got the Veteran 30 (it was backordered), sounds AMAZING! Thank you, it sounds so much better than the basic cab did. Awesome to hear, if my favorite amps weren't all Voxes then I'd probably have one myself.
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So I'm increasingly becoming dissatisfied with the speaker in my Princeton Reverb. I think is because I mainly use pedals for dirt and the speaker just breaks up too low and can sound shrill. I'm looking for something warmer and more efficient but I don't want to drop $90 on a Weber.
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HollisBrown posted:So I'm increasingly becoming dissatisfied with the speaker in my Princeton Reverb. I think is because I mainly use pedals for dirt and the speaker just breaks up too low and can sound shrill. I'd try the WGS G10C/S or the Veteran 10. The G10C is more efficient (the Veteran 10 is only 20 watts) but I like the way the Veteran 10 breaks up more.
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After lots of research the Eric Johnson Eminence EJ1250 is really the loudspeaker I've been needing to improve my Musicman 212 HD 130. My plan of winning the lottery to pay for a pair is right on track at the moment
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Chalets the Baka posted:I really wish Axe-Fx wasn't four figures. Get a Mustang III, the poor man's awesome modeling amp. Seriously it cannot compete with an Axe but it unbelievably owns if you want affordable modeling++.
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unlawfulsoup posted:Get a Mustang III, the poor man's awesome modeling amp. Seriously it cannot compete with an Axe but it unbelievably owns if you want affordable modeling++. Avid's 11 Rack, it's damned near the sound quality of the Axe without pitch effects (which is my primary bitch) and not as flexible wish the effects and routing, but if you're wanting a true, studio and gig quality emulation system, it's damned hard to beat for the money. Every time I gigged my 11 Rack I had multiple people telling me they were glad I wasn't running 'that damned digital poo poo' (I always kept a tube setup onstage 'just in case' since it was new tech for me).
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So if I were to pick up an 11r, should I use full range speakers for gigging? (also iostream if you still have the 11r you should pm me)
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Only if you give a poo poo about having a proper back line sort of setup, if your monitor situation is good just throw it straight into the PA and don't worry about an FRFR thing. If you DO want a good monitor, the EV ELX are fantastic and can be had very inexpensively, the QSC K series are great but a little more. If you're shopping them, remember to not look at the size in reference to a guitar cab, but rather what it IS, which is typically a PA main. One of my K12s easily keeps up with either of my other guitarists 4x12s for example (to the point I'm thinking of picking up some K8's at some point). In my opinion, best value FRFR would be EV ELX112P, they're $600 new, but call into GC and ask what their best price is (you may have to say you found one used on CL but would rather have a warranty), they'll offer them to you for about $450 + tax w/free shipping.
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I'm transitioning jobs, and long story short, I need to make some cash. I have my bass amp that I love, and I'm sure its worth something, but I'm not sure exactly what to ask for. It's a bit rare (Mesa Boogie Bass 400[not Plus]), so just looking at ebay ect isn't getting me anywhere. All my google-fu brings me prices for the Plus version. Is there a resource I can use to determine a fair price for it?
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