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Cheez
Apr 29, 2013

Someone doesn't like a shitty gimmick I like?

:siren:
TIME FOR ME TO WHINE ABOUT IT!
:siren:
For Lucas, I think the popular opinion on his instrument is a keytar.

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Arcade Rabbit
Nov 11, 2013

Its been way too long since I've looked at any Brawl trophies, so I'm pretty safe I think. I do remember the Mother level and stages though, but without context I can't really imagine what they are really meant to be aside from the obvious.

Morton Salt Grrl
Sep 2, 2011

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
FRESH BLOOD


May their memory be a justification for genocide
I've never played a Mother game so I never really got the hype surrounding them, but reading this LP I think I get it. Great job so far!

Ratatozsk
Mar 6, 2007

Had we turned left instead, we may have encountered something like this...
Is there any similarity or wordplay between the original Japanese names for Lucas and Claus, or is their anagramability just kinda incidental?

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Ratatozsk posted:

Is there any similarity or wordplay between the original Japanese names for Lucas and Claus, or is their anagramability just kinda incidental?

Claus and Lucas were named after two characters Agota Kristof's novel The Notebook. It might be intentional, but not on Itoi's part. The katakana for their names is not anagrammable, though.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Well, at least Flint is calm enough to talk other people down now. That's a plus.

frozentreasure
Nov 13, 2012

~

Glazius posted:

Well, at least Flint is calm enough to talk other people down now. That's a plus.

"Look guys, let's not resort to violence and aggression. That won't help anything. …But if you are going to resort to violence and aggression, take this drago fang."

Bregor
May 31, 2013

People are idiots, Leslie.

Mega64 posted:

quote:

It seems as if a grand scheme of some sort is hidden behind the actions of the suspicous peddler who has recently arrived.

Are they talking about that guy and his monkey? All he's done is buy some pigs, unless I missed something. I'm sure there will be more information about him soon but that end-of-chapter scroll (or the translator) is kind of making an assumption here based on what we've seen so far.

a cat on an apple
Apr 28, 2013
Oh gently caress I just made the connection

If it goes the way I think it does

:stare:

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.
















Chapter 1 had us play as a (badass) sheep farmer. Chapter 2 had us play as a thief.

In Chapter 3, we're playing a monkey.







This will also be the first chance we get to learn about the mysterious peddler and the baddies of this game.





Our foes have an insidious scheme that apparently requires a monkey. Alright, then.

Do what you're supposed to, and you'll get to have a nice, happy reunion later. Understand?! Both you...and this girlie monkey could wind up dead, if you're not careful!



Well? How do you like it? That lovely thing around your neck is no ordinary collar. It's so advanced that even if you ran to the ends of the desert, punishing you would still be a snap.



You're going to need one from here on out.







Our monkey friend's default name is Salsa, I assume more for the dance than the dip.





If you wanna enjoy your little journey with me, just remember these two things. You and I are buddies. ...Don't you dare try to run away from me. Always behave, and act nice and friendly.





You don't get it, huh? Then I'll say it just one more time.

And then he repeats his deal. I assume the "No" answers for this part just result in more abuse for poor Salsa, so I go ahead and have him get Fassad's criteria.

Good boy. The second thing to remember: never disobey my commands. If I say dance, you dance! If I say laugh, you laugh! It's that simple.



Do what I say, and we'll both get through this without any hard feelings. Nwehehehehehe.

Eh, I don't think that's going to be true for Salsa's case.



Dance!





The game then gives a brief tutorial on Salsa's moves, though they won't be relevant for awhile. Press a direction (in this case, left since Fassad motioned left) to do an action.





Of course, taking your time results in punishment, so please try to be prompt for Salsa's sake.



That's such a silly monkey dance that just watching it is embarrassing! Try a different dance.



Good boy. Laugh!



Backflip!



Good boy. Good job. No doubt everyone'll believe we're a performance duo now.







What a jerk.





......Hey, you stupid monkey! You only get to cry when I tell you to! No crying on your own! It's punishment time!



Hey, you! Quit sleeping on the job! Alright, listen! There's a white, round building west of here. We're going there!





And we've got a party member! Hooray...?





Chapter 3 is pretty different from the previous chapters, and most of the other games' gameplay for that matter. Salsa is frankly incredibly weak, doing pretty bad damage and having low defenses. His only saving grace is his high speed.



Salsa does have moves he can use, though. Apologize stuns an enemy with regrets. Make Laugh stuns an enemy with laughter. Dance will randomly buff a stat, and can debuff an enemy or even stun an enemy with dance. Monkey Mimic will copy an attack an enemy makes that round, which is pretty much the only way Salsa will do any real damage.

Overall, Salsa sucks, though it's pretty intentional since he's a monkey and all.





Be strong. Endure it. I'm sure things will start to go your way someday. To help that day come...



Thank you. :unsmith:



The desert's only a couple screens big, though they are pretty large and have multiple paths between them for treasure rooms.



And of course there's enemies.





Our first enemy is a Dung Beetle.



Though this thing has a lowly 43HP, Salsa struggles heavily against it.





As horrible as Fassad treats us, we're pretty much completely dependant on him in combat, as his attacks deal good damage, enough to one-shot the beetle.



The Dung Beetle has a 60% chance of dropping Dung. Yes, of course there's a use for it.





I don't have any dung to roll, so I'm not a true dung beetle. I'm so sad. If you ever happen to come across some dung, please bring it to me. I'll always be here, so please bring me some.

We can give our dung to this dung beetle so he can happily roll it. Let's go ahead and give him our dung!



...*sigh* Now I'm all upset and confused! Wait, you brought me some dung?! And you're giving it to me? For free? Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you! Yeaaaaaaaaah! Let's roll!!! Let's roll to the ends of the desert! Yeah!



Doing this will net Salsa 5EXP, which granted doesn't seem like much.



It's enough to gain a level, though!



You can also restore HP at this oasis, which is handy.





Salsa's Apologize in action. In general, it's less effective on at least this first batch of enemies than Make Laugh.





Fassad has a variety of things he can do, like a stronger attack.



Healing items are pretty important due to Salsa's fragile state.





Salsa's dance is too random to really be reliable, especially since he's usually too weak to attack even with an attack boost and since he's always pretty speedy, so you're gambling for a very small defense boost, a debuff, or a stun that you can achieve with two different moves already.



While flashing from the last battle, I run into another enemy.





One thing I just read that I'm sad I didn't try out is that Sand Lizards will eat Dung Beetles.





That said, they're really upbeat and enjoy a good laugh at Salsa's antics, at least until Fassad beats them to death.



They also have a 50% of dropping Nut Bread, which is pretty nice at this point in the chapter.







Oh, did I mention there are rarity levels to the dung? Not that you have any way of knowing until you turn it in, of course. There's three tiers of dung, with the highest giving 50EXP. Still not really worth the effort though.



Oh, sweet! The Luxury Banana is Salsa's favorite food, so when he uses it-



If you think you've earned that Luxury Banana, then you better think again!



Bleh... How can this get any worse?



oh



i know one person i'd like to use this bomb on you stupid-







This guy can apparently inflict confusion, but I never saw it.



I did learn that dancing is no substitute for humor though.









The Great Antlion's pretty tough and can hurt a bit, but otherwise is another enemy that you just need slightly more caution than normal around.





That does it.





Bug Spray does huge damage to bugs. Handy to have.



This side room has a frog in trouble!

Wait a minute, why is there a frog in the desert.



Some species of frogs, such as "sand frogs", do exist in aris, desert regions like Africa. During seasons with little or no precipitation, these frogs burrow into the ground to protect themselves from the harsh, dry climate.

Oh, alright then.







This is a different Great Antlion, though with two differences. One, it's slightly harder to apologize to it.







Two, instead of a 10% chance of dropping Beef Jerky, it's guaranteed to drop a Flea Charm, which is nifty since Salsa has no equipment right now.



Thanks for saving me when I needed help. Anyways, while we're at it...



It feels good to do something nice.





Buried in this remote corner is unlimited dung. Well, there's three pieces, but they respawn when you reenter. Unlimited dung!



This is better.





That's a Cactus Wolf, the meanest thing in the desert. But we can't get inside with him standing there. Go beat him up. Lose, and I'll have an extra serving of punishment ready just for you!

Well, when you put it that way...









This guy has a beefy 468HP, which will take Fassad awhile to burn through. You have a couple options, though.





But this guy's attacks hurt, so make sure you've got plenty of healing items and a few levels in your belt.





First off, Monkey Mimic will use the enemy's strength for its attack, which is generally better than Salsa's. So if you want to go on the offense, spam Monkey Mimic.





I don't recommend it though because this guy will tear through Salsa's low HP like butter.



Plus sometimes Fassad takes his sweet time helping you.





He's also difficult to make laugh. And just forget about telling him you're sorry for waking him, he's in too cranky a mood to hear it.







Fortunately, he's not cranky enough to be lured into dance!





Really, though, the best way to handle this fight is to Guard to reduce damage, and heal when necessary. It's kind of a weird strategy, but it's probably the simplest way to stay alive.



At any rate, though a bit lengthy, it's not too bad and the Cactus Wolf eventually goes down.



And with that, our path is open. Onward!





This place is a bit weird.



Violent Roaches are around but we've already fought them, and they're not worth the effort to show them off again.



I forgot to look at it but seriously this place is a straight line why do we even need this.





We're going to take it to an unbelievably uncivilized village called Tazmily. It'd take an incredibly long time to get there on foot, but with this Pork Bean, we'll get there in the blink of a "Nwehe!" ...You get all that?

So we'll get to control a bean-shaped ship. Neat.



In only a few seconds, it'll fully revitalize you, just like a good night's sleep. Under normal circumstances, it'd be wasted on a stupid monkey like you, but I'll give you special permission to use it for now.



Does what it says.



It apparently does something in battle, but no idea what. Guess I'll try it out later.



Alright, listen up. When you want to stop the Pork Bean while it's moving, press the B button. While it's stopped, press the B button again to get out. ...You get all that? Then get in!



We could just walk the entire way, but ehhhhh







The Pork Bean is pretty fast and lets you avoid battles by plowing through enemies.



The right path is a dead end, so left it is.





There's HUGE Pillbugs littering the path, and while you can plow through them, it's worth fighting them as they're worth good EXP and are hilariously easy.



So much so that, because they curl up when you approach them, you'll almost always get the drop on them.







Very weak, good EXP, and a 30% chance of dropping Nut Bread. There's no reason not to fight these guys!





Near the end is this detour. We can't get to the gifts behind the fence.



But there is some headgear for Salsa that we can get.



I'd rather drive that honestly.



It makes things all smoky.

Eventually we reach the end, with another mini-boss blocking the way.







These guys wouldn't be too bad solo, but there's three of them, making this a problem.





Oh wait I have a Running Bomb this fight's a joke.



It doesn't kill them in one hit, but it does enough that Fassad will.





They can also try to split and summon more, but this one failed before Fassad pummeled it into submission.



So at the end of this, Salsa's already L10. Considering he started at L1 with no real grinding, this is pretty nice progress.



They'll also drop a Mosquito Charm, a nice upgrade from our Flea Charm.







After all that, we end up at Tazmily Cemetary.



There's a place there called the Yado Inn, where we can stay the night. That's where we're headed now.





We're kinda railroaded from going anywhere else for now.



There's also the same enemies here as there was in Duster's chapter, though it'd probably be tougher for Salsa to take them out.



One place we can go is Hinawa's grave to admire the flowers.



Next time, Fassad and Salsa arrive at Tazmily.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

I really did not like this chapter at all. Definitely the low point of the game.

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Fister Roboto posted:

I really did not like this chapter at all. Definitely the low point of the game.

It does great to set up what's coming, it's sorely lacking on the gameplay side though.


And I just noticed the grave they climb out of is a shoe in for a grave in one of the 2D zeldas.
[e]:but probably not, it gives off mad zelda vibes though.

Rabbi Raccoon
Mar 31, 2009

I stabbed you dude!
This chapter fills me with such rage, to the point that when it finished I used a save state so I could skip it in future playthroughs.

DialTheDude
Jan 12, 2014

PORK RICE BOWLS

Lipstick Apathy

Fister Roboto posted:

I really did not like this chapter at all. Definitely the low point of the game.
It's slow, but I see these early chapters as setting up the beginning of a plot as seen through multiple perspectives, which is something I like seeing in games. It gives a feeling like there's something large about to happen and the current events of it are affecting a wide range of characters.

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Even though I know it's just a standard "but thou must" video game choice, I still sometimes go for long stretches of saying "No" to things and taking the zaps because gently caress you, Fassad.

Shwqa
Feb 13, 2012

Rabbi Raccoon posted:

This chapter fills me with such rage, to the point that when it finished I used a save state so I could skip it in future playthroughs.

This is the only way to replay the game. Seriously gently caress playing this chapter. It is good from a storyline perspective though.

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.
I haven't finished the game yet (last I remember I stopped playing somewhere in Chapter 6, I think), so I only played through this chapter once. I hated it for one reason that had nothing to do with the gameplay.

Simply put, I don't think I've ever hated any character in a JRPG as much as I hated Fassad by the end of this chapter. :argh:

Rabbi Raccoon
Mar 31, 2009

I stabbed you dude!

W.T. Fits posted:

I haven't finished the game yet (last I remember I stopped playing somewhere in Chapter 6, I think), so I only played through this chapter once. I hated it for one reason that had nothing to do with the gameplay.

Simply put, I don't think I've ever hated any character in a JRPG as much as I hated Fassad by the end of this chapter. :argh:

Exactly.

Under the vegetable
Nov 2, 2004

by Smythe
This chapter is very effective at using mechanics to reflect the themes of the story. It's a chore to play and you're screaming the entire time for a chance to rebel. It is kind of fun though. I really grew to love the monkey characters.

Hedera Helix
Sep 2, 2011

The laws of the fiesta mean nothing!
Salsa!

That poor monkey is so mistreated, and I forget how this storyline is resolved. Hopefully he gets away safely.

Ometeotl
Feb 13, 2012



It's MISSEL! Or SISSLE!
I confused myself...



For the sake of curiosity, how far through the game are we, approximately?

Shwqa
Feb 13, 2012

Ometeotl posted:

For the sake of curiosity, how far through the game are we, approximately?

We are still in the intro. We haven't even gotten the main character in our team yet.

uPen
Jan 25, 2010

Zu Rodina!

Ometeotl posted:

For the sake of curiosity, how far through the game are we, approximately?

The prologue.

curiousCat
Sep 23, 2012

Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?
I feel like maybe there are a lot of casual spoilers being said so please stop thanks

Nihilarian
Oct 2, 2013


That girlie monkey is gonna be a cyborg the next time we see her, isn't she. :smith:

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.
Ugh, this chapter sucks. I agree it does make good use of the gameplay to tell a story, but the way the gameplay is used is just frustrating and doesn't really make me want to play through the game. Mother 3 is a good game, but boy does it have some problems.

On a more disgusting note there is a bit of flavor text involved with the oasis and the dung beetle. If you examine it when you first come there the game doesn't say much. Until you give some dung to the dung beetle. If you examine the oasis after that, you're told it smells like dung. And then talking to the dung beetle without any dung reveals that the dung you gave him before rolled into the water. And yes, you do drink from it. :barf: This doesn't affect the healing though.

Under the vegetable
Nov 2, 2004

by Smythe
Mother 3 is a game you should play exhaustively exactly once.

Pittsburgh Lambic
Feb 16, 2011
Another character, another musical cue in battles. To recap once again, we have:

  • Flint: Rips on a sax
  • Boney: Barks
  • Duster: Plays bass
  • Kumatora: ELECTRIC GUITAR SOLO

Salsa just sings his little heart out on each combo step. :unsmith:

As another note, if Salsa gets put to sleep during a battle then Fassad just activates the shock collar to get him back in the fight, hurting Salsa in the process. I didn't see mention of how Alec reacts if Flint gets put to sleep (he shakes Flint awake) so thought I might throw this in.

Pittsburgh Lambic fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Oct 1, 2014

a cat on an apple
Apr 28, 2013

quote:


But you're still hungry. :smith:

ZiegeDame
Aug 21, 2005

YUKIMURAAAA!

Bregor posted:


Are they talking about that guy and his monkey? All he's done is buy some pigs, unless I missed something. I'm sure there will be more information about him soon but that end-of-chapter scroll (or the translator) is kind of making an assumption here based on what we've seen so far.

This is a little moot now, but clearly he is introducing the evils of money to the idyllic communist utopia. :ussr:

Rogue Lemon
Nov 15, 2012
I don't feel Salsa's chapter was all that bad, game play wise. You're showered with attack and healing items, it's only a problem if you're a hoarder. Mother 3 wants to break you of that.

The boss can be some serious BS though.

Bregor
May 31, 2013

People are idiots, Leslie.

GoatLord posted:

This is a little moot now, but clearly he is introducing the evils of money to the idyllic communist utopia. :ussr:

Yeah I was just about to say my comment before this update is pretty silly now.

Seriously, this is my first exposure to this game but gently caress Fassad and gently caress the pigmen.

MachuPikacchu
Oct 15, 2012

Sacre vert! Maman!

For all its faults, this chapter is very good at establishing characters. We're only one update in and so far everyone is already sympathetic to Salsa's plight, and hates Fassad with a burning passion.

Seriously, gently caress Fassad.

Cheez
Apr 29, 2013

Someone doesn't like a shitty gimmick I like?

:siren:
TIME FOR ME TO WHINE ABOUT IT!
:siren:

Pittsburgh Lambic posted:

Another character, another musical cue in battles. To recap once again, we have:

  • Flint: Rips on a sax
  • Boney: Barks
  • Duster: Plays bass
  • Kumatora: ELECTRIC GUITAR SOLO

Salsa just sings his little heart out on each combo step. :unsmith:

As another note, if Salsa gets put to sleep during a battle then Fassad just activates the shock collar to get him back in the fight, hurting Salsa in the process. I didn't see mention of how Alec reacts if Flint gets put to sleep (he shakes Flint awake) so thought I might throw this in.

I think it's supposed to be a cuíca or something similar, though you'd probably never hear one played like that.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Fassad sucks.
Salsa sucks.
This chapter sucks.

Overall this is absolutely the low point of the game from a gameplay perspective, and it's down there from an emotional perspective. There are a few reasons why Mother 3 doesn't lend itself to being as replay-friendly as Earthbound, and this is one of 'em. Be glad that you didn't make this a Hard Mode LP, because you'll regret it come this chapter.

get that OUT of my face fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Oct 1, 2014

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

uPen posted:

The prologue.

Does this mean this game is Huge or are the next chapters shorter?

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.
There are eight chapters in this game, though one of them's short enough that it's really seven. I think the later chapters are quite a bit longer, though, and it's been so long since I've played that I don't remember how far in we really are gameplay-wise.

On the bright side though, this chapter looks to be pretty short, like two or three more updates to go. I'd definitely agree it's probably the low point of the game since it's kind of a chore to play and story-wise things are just miserable. But of course we'll get more into that in the next updates.

Hoss Corncave
Feb 13, 2012
I want to say that I hope Fassad gets his comeuppance, but the way things are going, part of me thinks he won't.

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

a cat on an apple posted:

But you're still hungry. :smith:

Ah no, you get fully fed in the capsule.

(Why'd you think the Pigs are so fat?)

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get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Hoss Corncave posted:

I want to say that I hope Fassad gets his comeuppance, but the way things are going, part of me thinks he won't.
There's only one way to find out!

The last two chapters are the longest ones in the game by a pretty comfortable margin. Chapter 3 is about as short as the average chapters, if not a tad shorter.

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