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Brannock posted:Stay calm. Worry not. This trifle will fizzle out. Proceed about your daily lives. Forget the enormous humanitarian tragedy occurring in Western Africa right now that Western leaders are utterly failing to respond to in a timely manner or sufficient means -- I beseech you, worry not. There is a giant gap between dismissing overblown fears of a large outbreak here and saying that the crisis in West Africa should be ignored. Before two days ago this entire thread consisted solely of people calling for more to be done in West Africa without the threat of an outbreak in America being involved in any way.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:It's totally understandable why he would try and get out, and also why the govt involved does not want repeat occurrences. A threat of being sued won't dissuade anyone whose other choice is to die horribly from ebola. It's a petty way of punishing the guy for trying to save his own life.
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It is hard to contain a disease when people will lie to you about being exposed.
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Oct 2, 2014 22:33
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Ardlen posted:It is hard to contain a disease when people will lie to you about being exposed. Don't let people leave/quarantine them on arrival.
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Xandu posted:Don't let people leave/quarantine them on arrival. We're not to that point yet, but if a few outbreaks occur we probably will be.
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Ardlen posted:It is hard to contain a disease when people will lie to you about being exposed. Yeah but it's pretty much an inevitability. People will lie to protect their lives, and for many people "rational" goes sailing right out the window when under the threat of death. I don't think suing or threats of suing will actually do any good, I think all we can do is try to compensate for those who do lie to get into the country and try to keep exposure to a minimum.
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Who's talking about suing people? The obvious threat would be jail (just make people fill out a customs form on arrival asking if they've come into contact with infected people/been sick/etc).
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Xandu posted:Don't let people leave/quarantine them on arrival. Some countries are instituting this practice, namely Russia and some yet-announced South Asian nations. However, I'm pretty certain that CDC's plan is for voluntary admission to hospital- that is, to do what Duncan did and present yourself to any hospital for treatment. In other news, looks like the family is quarantined in a non-disinfected household and no local companies are willing to come in and disinfect. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/us/dallas-ebola-case-thomas-duncan-contacts.html?_r=1&referrer= E: Xandu posted:Who's talking about suing people? The obvious threat would be jail (just make people fill out a customs form on arrival asking if they've come into contact with infected people/been sick/etc). Well, its an issue of language that you'd use. The healthcare systems in WAIT nations have collapsed completely. You hope you have only come into contact with a complicated pregnancy; you don't know. If you start asking, you'll get people lying. You'll need to do exit screening and education for everyone returning from a WAIT nation. If you don't do it properly, you risk having an outbreak go unreported until its already had a few cycles of exponential spread. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Oct 2, 2014 |
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Ardlen posted:It is hard to contain a disease when people will lie to you about being exposed. It might be reasonable that he might not have suspected he had been exposed to Ebola http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/preeclampsia/basics/symptoms/con-20031644 http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/preterm-labor/basics/symptoms/con-200353595w http://womenshealth.gov/pregnancy/you-are-pregnant/pregnancy-complications.html
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Photograph of crew cleaning up the Dallas cases' vomit from outside his apartment today, which had been left there since Sunday: CDC: "The company that is cleaning right now are a company that have worked with the health department many times before. They have worked with us in cleaning up scenes with HIV, airborne disease and things like that. They are properly certified and licensed to do all of these things, and we've worked with them a number of times in the past."
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Ebola Roulette posted:It might be reasonable that he might not have suspected he had been exposed to Ebola Eh quote:a pattern often seen here in Monrovia, the Liberian capital, the family of the woman, Marthalene Williams, 19, took her by taxi to a hospital with Mr. Duncan’s help on Sept. 15 after failing to get an ambulance, said her parents, Emmanuel and Amie Williams. She was convulsing and seven months pregnant, they said.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:Photograph of crew cleaning up the Dallas cases' vomit from outside his apartment today, which had been left there since Sunday: ...they're not even wearing gloves  Don't trust anything the CDC says at this point
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EugeneJ posted:...they're not even wearing gloves How long do you think Ebola survives outside the body?
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EugeneJ posted:...they're not even wearing gloves
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Pregnant women were also being turned away in general http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/ebola-outbreak-pregnant-women_n_5901816.html quote:In an effort to keep the virus contained, Fatumata Fofana was denied access to a hospital in July because she didn't have Ebola. Might be a he said she said about the reason why she was turned away. I feel like everyone's just trying to play hot potato about who's responsible for this.
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Boarder Patrol is already asking questions about Ebola at the border. If we require 21 day quarantines for people leaving Ebola infected areas you can pretty much give up on US healthcare workers helping in West Africa since 6 weeks on, 4 weeks quarantine, 2 weeks off, 6 weeks on just isn't the same.
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The Guardian:quote:Towels and sweat-ridden bedclothes remained for two days in the Dallas apartment where an undiagnosed Ebola sufferer was staying because health officials in Texas struggled to find a waste management company willing to accept them. quote:Judge Clay Jenkins, Dallas county’s emergency management director, said officials had now found a suitable contractor to clean the home where Duncan was staying. “We have some hygiene issues that we are addressing in that apartment,” Jenkins said. He added that the contractors would be at the apartment “as soon as possible”. On Thursday. Gee, I wonder why they tried to leave the house on Wednesday? Could it be that it was full of dangerous medical waste and they were running low on (say) paper towels and toilet paper? Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Oct 2, 2014 |
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Oct 2, 2014 23:27
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EugeneJ posted:...they're not even wearing gloves Any Ebola in that vomit was dead for sure a half-hour after it hit the pavement.
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The problem with waste disposal worries me. So if the poo poo actually does hit the fan and suddenly there are 10 cases, or 1000, how are we going to deal with logistics when nobody wants anything to do with Ebola issues?
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TOOT BOOT posted:The problem with waste disposal worries me. So if the poo poo actually does hit the fan and suddenly there are 10 cases, or 1000, how are we going to deal with logistics when nobody wants anything to do with Ebola issues? Burn it.
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TOOT BOOT posted:The problem with waste disposal worries me. So if the poo poo actually does hit the fan and suddenly there are 10 cases, or 1000, how are we going to deal with logistics when nobody wants anything to do with Ebola issues? throw it on in New Jersey beach
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So who wants to bet that the nurse who turned him away doesn't know where Liberia is because they went to school in Texas.
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NathanScottPhillips posted:So who wants to bet that the nurse who turned him away doesn't know where Liberia is because they went to school in Texas.  What percentage of Americans could point out on a map where Liberia is regardless? Texas quality of education is generally ranked above-average. http://www.msubillings.edu/caer/quality_rankings_of_education_in.htm
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TOOT BOOT posted:The problem with waste disposal worries me. So if the poo poo actually does hit the fan and suddenly there are 10 cases, or 1000, how are we going to deal with logistics when nobody wants anything to do with Ebola issues?
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Zeroisanumber posted:Any Ebola in that vomit was dead for sure a half-hour after it hit the pavement. Nope http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/qas.html quote:Ebola is killed with hospital-grade disinfectants (such as household bleach). Ebola on dried on surfaces such as doorknobs and countertops can survive for several hours; however, virus in body fluids (such as blood) can survive up to several days at room temperature.
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What are the chances the disease finds a reservoir in animals in the US? Say... bats in Texas?
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What about in Dallas late summer/early fall sunlight?
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The low Ph of vomit combined with the direct UV exposure make this puddle of puke very unlikely to be infectious
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Berke Negri posted:What about in Dallas late summer/early fall sunlight? I'd rather them do it properly than a what if game.
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I'm not a doctor but wouldn't puke being mostly made up of concentrated acid sitting in the sun kill the virus faster than a couple days?
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg3mFdVYDu4 That's...not...correct. I can only imagine how things are in the Dallas EOC. E: Luigi Thirty posted:I'm not a doctor but wouldn't puke being mostly made up of concentrated acid sitting in the sun kill the virus faster than a couple days? Is that a risk you're willing to accept when the resources are available to do things properly and according t7o precise CDC procedure?
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Oct 3, 2014 00:05
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UV rays kill it very quickly. A pile of dried out vomit isn't going to have any live virus.
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What're the chances a dog ate some of that vomit? Apparently they can carry it, though it looks like there are no confirmed cases linked to dog exposure. I've never met a dog that didn't just adore vomit.
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Zeroisanumber posted:UV rays kill it very quickly. A pile of dried out vomit isn't going to have any live virus. What about a pile of vomit under a car? In a sewer grate? Why chance anything when we have the resources to follow appropriate procedure?
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My Imaginary GF posted:http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg3mFdVYDu4 Depends, do they have health insurance?
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My Imaginary GF posted:What about a pile of vomit under a car? In a sewer grate? Why chance anything when we have the resources to follow appropriate procedure? The procedure that they followed was fine for the situation.
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Zeroisanumber posted:The procedure that they followed was fine for the situation. http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/res/psds-ftss/ebola-eng.php How would you describe the situation to which they responded? There should have been environmental decontamination as soon as EVD was supected; a contaminated scene was left untreated for several days.
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My Imaginary GF posted:http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/res/psds-ftss/ebola-eng.php I was referring to the vomit on the street. The apartment should've been cleaned out by guys in bunny suits on the 28th.
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My Imaginary GF posted:http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/res/psds-ftss/ebola-eng.php Again, that paper is not intended for field cases as it clearly states: "is intended to support local risk assessments in a laboratory setting."
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:Photograph of crew cleaning up the Dallas cases' vomit from outside his apartment today, which had been left there since Sunday: American healthcare and crisis response.jpg How can you bungle this thing any worse than they currently are? Seriously, at least appear to give a poo poo.
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