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Suspicious Dish posted:ANTLR is that thing where you have to buy a $60 book because there's no documentation, and the error messages are incomprehensible garbage? has there ever been a parser generator that was well-documented and produced good errors? it's not like lex/yacc or flex/bison don't require you to buy a book
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OMeta is my pick of the litter these days.
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Suspicious Dish posted:OMeta is my pick of the litter these days. that looks pretty interesting, thanks! I've always just fallen back to hand-rolling a recursive-descent parser or using lex & yacc when I didn't want to (or have to) go to the trouble.
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i am pretty much banking on antlr being flawed as well, going to do a research grant proposal amounting to ruining all popular java parsing stuff for everyone 
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i am pretty much banking on antlr being flawed as well, going to do a research grant proposal amounting to ruining all popular java parsing stuff for everyone how about Earley parsers like Spark for Python?
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the seldom do anything overly stupid once they have a more powerful formalisms as a basis like that (and earley is in cubic time in general). most of what happens with regex and i conjecture (haven't quite dug into it yet) the ll(k) hybrid of antlr is that you have something fast but weak, and then people with practical tasks at hand start meddling with it without considering the more theoretical aspects much i previously looked at how one can try to bring back some of the extended stuff to classic regexes in a form where it sort of fits (e.g. atomic subgroups like (?>a*|b)), but while that is still regular it seems the state complexity of permitting it in a suitably generalized form is hopelessly gigantic i think 'just use PEGs' is pretty much the right call either way, whether in the form of OMeta or something else. they are rather different, but different in a way that i think it is actually a lot easier for programmers to think about when compared to the non-deterministic thinking of regexes/cf
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:the seldom do anything overly stupid once they have a more powerful formalisms as a basis like that (and earley is in cubic time in general). most of what happens with regex and i conjecture (haven't quite dug into it yet) the ll(k) hybrid of antlr is that you have something fast but weak, and then people with practical tasks at hand start meddling with it without considering the more theoretical aspects much who gives a poo poo if it's cubic time, n is small
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being a theoretician i pretty much say 'in p' and move on, but people doing really flawed poo poo trying to get to linear time puts food on the table it turns out
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PEGs are mostly equivalent to how a human would think about coding a parser by hand, and it's really simple to reason about. I think they're the only sane tool for grammars these days.
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http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/32778.html on the one hand, matthew j garret continues to own. on the other lol intel pr hope somebody gets fired. on the gripping hand this is not v good for linux on the desktop in tyool 2014 if it continues for any length of time since mjg is (at least in my perception) pretty essential to the process of making a linux work well on notebook computing devices in other news the sweet embrace of
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BobHoward posted:http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/32778.html
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BobHoward posted:on the one hand, matthew j garret continues to own. on the other lol intel pr hope somebody gets fired. on the gripping hand this is not v good for linux on the desktop in tyool 2014 if it continues for any length of time since mjg is (at least in my perception) pretty essential to the process of making a linux work well on notebook computing devices mjg59 is also The Guy who makes linux work well on apple laptops
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RIP linux
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mjg59 owns
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:mjg59 is also The Guy who makes linux work well on apple laptops incidentally, also intel chips
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Captain Foo posted:
he's also fart fart farting them on twitter it's p good
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BobHoward posted:he's also fart fart farting them on twitter it's p good Rad
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api call girl posted:incidentally, also intel chips 2014 year of Linux on the AMD desktop
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Blue Train posted:2014 year of Linux on the AMD desktop how does amd stand on #gamergate inquiring minds must know
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hardcore gaming must be stopped
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'core gamers: The Final Solution
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I'm seriously pissed off that this gamergate bullshit is spilling everywhere like this
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Symbolic Butt posted:I'm seriously pissed off that this gamergate bullshit is spilling everywhere like this Seriously who would have predicted this
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I didn't pay attention to gamergate and I'm too confused and apathetic to care about what happened. Please do not fill me in.
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Suspicious Dish posted:I didn't pay attention to gamergate and I'm too confused and apathetic to care about what happened. Please do not fill me in. okay but if you want to be slightly less than 100% apathetic donate to the ada initiative or any other feminist tech/gaming related charity, because if we caught you up to date on gamergate you'd want to
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Symbolic Butt posted:I'm seriously pissed off that this gamergate bullshit is spilling everywhere like this gently caress this gay earth
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quote:As a man who has a doctorate in genetics. I would please urge you to speak to your old professors about relativism, or at least checkout their attacks on Richard Dawkins http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2gsyic/less_than_24_hours_after_richard_dawkins_makes/ mjg99 posted:Oh my god I can't even screen this
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BobHoward posted:okay but if you want to be slightly less than 100% apathetic donate to the ada initiative or any other feminist tech/gaming related charity, because if we caught you up to date on gamergate you'd want to Will do when I get to an actual computer
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can't get yeoman to play nice with ubuntu for some reason. can't get get angular seed clone to recognize its own template and it isn't immediately apparent why. mean.io's file structure is bloated and poo poo i have to be missing something unless the only acceptable experience for generating working angular front end applications is OSX 
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syntaxrigger posted:working angular front end applications wat
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my thoughts exactly. just going to make it myself. apparently when using yeoman some generators, like the angular generator, when yeoman goes through its bootstrapping process it needs to perform some actions, write or execute, that it doesn't have the permission for. However yeoman is constructed to not allow you to run as root... i don't care anymore just going to make a template project from scratch
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syntaxrigger posted:the only acceptable experience for generating applications is OSX
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lol frontend "developers"
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welp i'm an idiot forgot to do npm install let the ridicule commence
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syntaxrigger posted:the only acceptable experience is OS X
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I agree, but only because you used "acceptable" instead of "good"
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yospos is such a dumbfuck apple echo chamber that it even shits up the linux thread folks who, by definition, do not understand what a unix desktop is for have Very Strong Opinions about unix desktops. some idiots who have nfc are 100% certain that you should use a lovely 1980s unix from a consumer electronics vendor to do unix software development
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:yospos is such a dumbfuck apple echo chamber that it even shits up the linux thread 
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I have actually posted to the forums from one of these, no joke. IE5 for unix tm was p. fast Even in 1995 it was better than osx. At least Solaris has a package system and you don't have to compile software on the spot like a savage
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