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WickedHate posted:Call of Cthulhu.txt Oh that's nothing. Try reading Re-animator. I don't have the text on hand, but when Herbert West used his serum on white corpses they almost came back to life. But when he used it on a black corpse he became a super aggressive ape-like monstrosity. Like Lovecraft actually described him like that. (Might have been gorilla instead of ape, but still incredibly racist) And that was his attempt at writing a comedy. Edit: I forgot to mention that he actually explained this as being because black people are so inferior to white people as to be a different species, so the serum didn't work right. RaspberryCommie fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Oct 3, 2014 |
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Don Gato posted:Fast Eddie's purge still left a lot of these pages intact last time I checked. I think Pokegirls got nuked (there was a This Troper video on it), but after over a year of the TVTropes threads not existing Fast Eddie probably decided "well the goons aren't watching anymore, so it's safe to let them put this creepy poo poo back up!"
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WickedHate posted:Man, that's the thing though, Lovecraft was really, really explicit about it. To be fair to tropers (even though I really shouldn't), I don't think that was published in most of his major collections. Most of his major stories are a lot more subtle with the racism, to the point where a casual defender could just say "oh, that's just the time period" and shrug it off. But the stories themselves are still really loving racist, even if its expression is coded. For example, "The Shadow Over Innsmouth" doesn't contain any explicit racism, and Lovecraft avoids nearly all of his tells - no descriptions of "negroid" features, generally presents the people of Innsmouth as weird and unfriendly but not mentally deficient, etc. But if you step back and look at how racist Lovecraft was you can see it's a big screed against race-mixing and the ruin it brings to society. I was just pointing out that TVTropes looked at it, said "oh, it's about mating with non-human creatures, not other races, guess Lovecraft really wasn't racist after all!" and called it a day. I was just trying to tie that to a bigger societal problem that almost undoubtedly influences their thinking on the matter. EDIT: RaspberryCommie posted:Oh that's nothing. Try reading Re-animator. Oh man I forgot Reanimator. I read it once in high school and now 10 years later I don't remember much about it except Herbert West was using WWI as a ready source of corpses. Venusian Weasel fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Oct 3, 2014 |
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He wasn't racist. He was just disgusted that he wasn't 100% Teutonic and that he was partially Welsh. Nope, not racist. And I don't see how these kind of energies could influence a story about race-mixing and degeneration. Again, totally not racist.
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That's not racism, the Welsh are white, silly  (This is how TVTropes believes racism works)
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Lovecraft named a black cat "friend of the family Man"
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Venusian Weasel posted:To be fair to tropers (even though I really shouldn't), I don't think that was published in most of his major collections.
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Kurtofan posted:Lovecraft named a black cat "friend of the family Man" Not just a fictional cat, mind you. That was literally what he called his own pet cat, and then he named the beastie from 'The Rats in the Walls' after him.
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Lovecraft seriously does come off less like a real person and more like  attempt at making a racist. He's just so over the top in how much he hates everything that isn't GLORIOUS TEUTONIC MASTER RACE that it wraps around and becomes hilarious.
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Don Gato posted:Lovecraft seriously does come off less like a real person and more like The people around him became less racist because of how extremely racist he was
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Don Gato posted:Lovecraft seriously does come off less like a real person and more like And yet he married a Jewish woman, despite being an anti-semite as well.
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Improbable Lobster posted:The people around him became less racist because of how extremely racist he was Literal KKK members looked at him and said "whoa is this how we look to other people"
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Kurtofan posted:Lovecraft named a black cat "friend of the family Man" So did the dude from Dam Busters. There's no point calling out casual racism, when it's snuggling against active racism.
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RaspberryCommie posted:And yet he married a Jewish woman, despite being an anti-semite as well. They stayed married for like ten seconds, though. Also, he ate calf brains out of the can. Basically, Lovecraft was gross.
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RaspberryCommie posted:Oh that's nothing. Try reading Re-animator. There is one of his stories, "The Horror at Red Hook", where the 'horror' is just the protagonist seeing a bunch of non-white people walking down the street. Of course, later it turns out that all of them are part of some evil underground cult thing, but he freaks out about them way before he finds that out.
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Lovecraft would have been a Troper. I know it's been said before, but it's true.
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Lamprey Cannon posted:There is one of his stories, "The Horror at Red Hook", where the 'horror' is just the protagonist seeing a bunch of non-white people walking down the street. Of course, later it turns out that all of them are part of some evil underground cult thing, but he freaks out about them way before he finds that out. Guess I'm unliking Lovecraft on my FB Jesus christ. oh well, death of the author and such
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Venusian Weasel posted:That's not racism, the Welsh are white, silly Tumblr too for that matter, but is there any actual proof to the Welsh thing or is it just literary heresay?
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Dr. Killjoy posted:Tumblr too for that matter, but is there any actual proof to the Welsh thing or is it just literary heresay? I'd assume he mentions this horrifying discovery in one of his correspondences.
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thanks for ruining one of the stories I really liked guys 
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AlbieQuirky posted:They stayed married for like ten seconds, though. Also, he ate calf brains out of the can. Basically, Lovecraft was gross. Even in his main wikipedia picture he looks kind of disgusted with himself.
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I'd heard that Lovecraft chilled out later in life and became slightly less racist over time, is there any truth in that? Or was he a psycho till the end?
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:thanks for ruining one of the stories I really liked guys Read his Dream Cycle stuff. I remember it being much less racist. Better written as well.
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:thanks for ruining one of the stories I really liked guys The sad truth about any creative work is that if it's more than a generation old you're probably going to find something pretty horrible in it. Lovecraft was fairly off and on with his views on race in his works - as people have pointed out some of it is REALLY blatant, but other works don't really have anything too bad about them, other than the fact that the guy that wrote them has some pretty terrible opinions. It's okay to like things that are created by lovely people, and a lot of what Lovecraft created has clearly gone on to become way bigger than the man himself. It's just good to be aware that when his stories are being racist, it's not for any kind of ironic purpose.
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BioEnchanted posted:I'd heard that Lovecraft chilled out later in life and became slightly less racist over time, is there any truth in that? Or was he a psycho till the end? He became a lot less racist but that was only a few years before he died. It's in his letters. It was basically around the time Hitler was in power in Germany and starting to follow through on all sorts of racist plans that snapped ol' Howie out of it.
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Nintendo Kid posted:It was basically around the time Hitler was in power in Germany and starting to follow through on all sorts of racist plans that snapped ol' Howie out of it. says otherwise:TV Tropes posted:He also expressed racist and xenophobic views; one recorded criticism of Nazi Germany was that Hitler's plans were too optimistic. ("The crazy thing is not what Adolf wants, but the way he sees it & starts out to get it. I know he’s a clown, but by God, I like the boy!" –Letter from Lovecraft to Donald Wandrei, November 1936)
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Asgerd posted:
Apparently what caused his support for the Nazis to end was when he learned that Jews were openly being beaten in the streets from a German acquaintance. Still, although his views might have moderated somewhat, they were still probably pretty intensely racist. A couple of comments responding to me upthread - it's a lot easier to dismiss Lovecraft's racism as a product of the time - the n-word was still a common slur, and the line about having a deceitfully small amount of black blood was in line with the one-drop rule. It's still racist, but it does lend itself to being in line with the times. To really understand the actual depth of his racism, you have to dive into his less accessible stuff (i.e. buried in an expensive, low-volume book series): America's most misunderstood horror writer posted:Of course they can’t let niggers use the beach at a Southern resort – can you imagine sensitive persons bathing near a pack of greasy chimpanzees? The only thing that makes life endurable where blacks abound is the Jim Crow principle, & I wish they’d apply it in N.Y. both to niggers & to the more Asiatic type of puffy, rat-faced Jew. Either stow em out of sight or kill em off – anything so that a white man may walk along the streets without shuddering nausea. It's stuff like that that really makes me doubt he really "repented" from his racism all that much late in life. Anyway, all I'm trying to say is that if you had only read his most reprinted stories, you could argue in good faith that more racist elements were just products of his time. To see how utterly reprehensible his beliefs were requires some actual digging, something most people who read Lovecraft probably aren't going to do. But  at TVTropes, whoever wrote the creator page totally recommended finding his collected letters and said they were worth the time, it's pretty clear they didn't read them based on how much they were defending Lovecraft.
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Venusian Weasel posted:But No one ever reads Lovecraft. Green Squid Man is like Steampunk and Tesla these days.
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Asgerd posted:
Not to defend Lovecraft (or Hitler), but this seems like a pretty misleading statement. The Final Solution wasn't devised until the Wannsee Conference in 1942, and up until the invasion of Poland the Nazi policy towards the Jews was intimidation and coercion in an attempt to force emigration. So it's not all that different from a lot of Jim Crow/KKK stuff. Saying "thinks Hitler was too optimistic" doesn't mean what seems to be implied here.
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Electric Nova posted:Can an anime inspired Magical Girl story work in prose? Volatile Chills posted:From my experience, most of it translates pretty well "You ever wanted to make a manga and then realized wait, drawing is really friggin hard?" Lightning Knight posted:A Christianity-based sitcom "This is definitely a good place to ask for help with my dream project!" Handsome Rob posted:Mutual Worf Effect "Unstoppable Worf meets Immovable Worf! Imagine four Worfs on a cliff! What if two really tough guys punched each other in the face AT THE SAME TIME???" Bigger Ben posted:Last Words of your Characters Major Tom posted:
Hi I'm Major Tom, I like to
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Harime Nui posted:"You ever wanted to make a manga and then realized wait, drawing is really friggin hard?" Sadly no, it only works as classical english heroic verse.
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What the gently caress is M-Tech? It's almost like posting random bits of your writing completely out of context can seem really choppy and confusing!
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From context it seems to be his substitute for the word Gundam.  e: iowaforever posted:"I know... I know it will... My... my family is safe... many families are safe... that’s all that matters. That’s... all that... matters." "....breathing.... dificult, then.... strangely easy." Sabre's Edge posted:I'm hardly one to carp given how I abuse them, but you may want to cut down on using ellipses. Overused, they detract rather than add; consider putting in other ways to break up the dialogue. Eye'm the Cutest! posted:^ On the other hand stylistically it can give an easier time conveying that the character may be struggling to put words out. Either s/he thinks too slow, can't hold the air to word it out in a single go (implying either great sickness such as asthma or severe respiratory injury), or is so mentally unprepared/incapable that s/he can't make a complete uninterrupted sentence. also I notice Tom has new sigtext now: quote:"Allah may guide their bullets, but Jesus helps those who aim down the sights." charming! Harime Nui fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Oct 4, 2014 |
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Nintendo Kid posted:Sadly no, it only works as classical english heroic verse. Hwæt! Wé Higskula in géardagum þéodcyninga þrym gefrúnon· hú ðá æþelingas ellen fremedon Oft Suzumiya Haruhi Scésceaþena þréatum *Translators note
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Harime Nui posted:also I notice Tom has new sigtext now: What the hell is this even supposed to mean?
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It means someone should show him the Christian sitcom thread
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Lottery of Babylon posted:What the hell is this even supposed to mean?
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Nintendo Kid posted:He became a lot less racist but that was only a few years before he died. It's in his letters. Having met New England degenerates, I have to say his description of them was far too forgiving.
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BioEnchanted posted:Hwæt! Wé Higskula in géardagum Excellent.
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Mutual Worf posted:Their both the strongest guys on their respective sides, and they fight it out, and manage to show off their strength in an impressive manor seemingly kicking each other's asses.
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