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If we're talking about mutation, I'd be far more concerned about common rodents becoming carriers or some such thing. Though I'm not particularly concerned about that, personally.
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Zeroisanumber posted:I've heard some news reports saying that we could develop a vaccine in ~3-5 years, but I don't know if that's true or not. There seems to be at least one vaccine going into clinical trials very soon. I thought I had read that a US pharmaceutical company was also near starting trials, but I can't find the link at the moment.
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Discendo Vox posted:They're not vaccines; to the best of my knowledge only post-infection treatments are being tested. ECDC RRA that I linked last night referenced two vaccines, one in Stage 1 trials and one which skipped ahead to Stage 2 trials. E: ReidRansom posted:If we're talking about mutation, I'd be far more concerned about common rodents becoming carriers or some such thing. Read up to Lujo Hemorrhagic Fever
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Zeroisanumber posted:There really isn't much of a chance at all of that happening, and it'd be good if people would stop mentioning an airborne mutation as a possible scenario. Seriously. I mean, what do, to name a few, AIDS, smallpox, cholera, and bubonic plague have in common? They've all caused epidemics killing millions. And another thing: they're also not airborne. The common cold on the other hand...
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My Imaginary GF posted:ECDC RRA that I linked last night referenced two vaccines, one in Stage 1 trials and one which skipped ahead to Stage 2 trials. The one you linked had no references to Ebola vaccines. I can't find any references to vaccine research in any other ECDC RRAs on Ebola, either. Are you thinking of a different document?
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Discendo Vox posted:The one you linked had no references to Ebola vaccines. I can't find any references to vaccine research in any other ECDC RRAs on Ebola, either. Are you thinking of a different document? http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications/Publications/Ebola-Sierra%20Leone-Liberia-Guinea-Nigeria-23-09-2014-rapid-risk-assessment.pdf Bottom of page 3
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Isn't the Common Cold pretty much spread in the same way as Ebola?
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My Imaginary GF posted:http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications/Publications/Ebola-Sierra%20Leone-Liberia-Guinea-Nigeria-23-09-2014-rapid-risk-assessment.pdf OK, thanks. Isn't it interesting that ZMapp is getting the rushed rollout when there are vaccines further along in development!
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Discendo Vox posted:OK, thanks. Isn't it interesting that ZMapp is getting the rushed rollout when there are vaccines further along in development!
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Nessus posted:Free market in action. (Or, possibly, the vaccines will do nothing for the already afflicted. Or a mixture of both.) The vaccines would be a lot better than Zmapp- the most probably explanation for what's transpired is that individuals who stand to profit from ZMapp gave people at Wellcome and Gates a good elevator pitch.
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Discendo Vox posted:The vaccines would be a lot better than Zmapp- the most probably explanation for what's transpired is that individuals who stand to profit from ZMapp gave people at Wellcome and Gates a good elevator pitch. Production of vaccines can't reach adequate capacity before unacceptable collapse of susceptible population. ZMapp offers an alternative, albiet a bit of a longshot, that is scalable before unacceptable collapse of susceptible population. E: 'Unacceptable' being measured as the range of total cases given a year timeframe, R0 of 10, doubling period of 7.15 to 15.3 days, and 1st Jan 2015 unadjusted case number of 100,000. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Oct 4, 2014 |
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ZMapp is just being funded by its manufacturer at this point and the doses were given to American patients... http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/09/health/in-ebola-outbreak-who-should-get-experimental-drug.html
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Discendo Vox posted:They're not vaccines; to the best of my knowledge only post-infection treatments are being tested. There are actual vaccines being trialed right now. That ZMAPP stuff is just an treatment, it gets alot of press but that's not a vaccine.
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Should a vaccine be rushed to completion, does Ebola represent the same level of threat that smallpox did, such that we might see a global effort to eradicate it? Or is it not worth it given the numerous animal reservoirs that exist?
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:ZMapp is just being funded by its manufacturer at this point and the doses were given to American patients... ZMapp development has been funded by the federal government since its inception.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Production of vaccines can't reach adequate capacity before unacceptable collapse of susceptible population. ZMapp offers an alternative, albiet a bit of a longshot, that is scalable before unacceptable collapse of susceptible population. I'm not particularly confident that similar scalability couldn't be achieved for the vaccines if the nigh-unlimited resources of the groups aligning behind ZMapp were to direct their efforts vaccinewise.
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Glad to hear that the odds of being quarantined are really low. Now I feel bad about being scared. People are dying in Africa and I was worried about being inconvenienced.  Honestly, is there any potential for good to come from all of this? Will this accelerate research towards a vaccine or better treatment? Will the world become more cooperative? Will this bring the US closer to UHC? I'm sure these are naive questions but I figure I'll ask them anyway.
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Drudge Report cycling the panic at the moment with something about a hundred possible cases of Ebola throughout the states.
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Blue Star posted:Will this accelerate research towards a vaccine or better treatment? Yes, having a very large stock of people infected and people who survive will mean that there's people to test on for treatments and vaccines. But, ya know, that will be tied to probably a minimum of 100,000 people dead and at least half again as much suffering through all the pain and managing to survive.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Yes, having a very large stock of people infected and people who survive will mean that there's people to test on for treatments and vaccines. Not necessarily- they won't be able to collect very good information if this is really a large-scale interventionary approach. Of course, the sort of spray-and-pray administration it's going to get isn't going to be all that efficacious, either.
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I would like to briefly state that this thread was created by someone with the sole intention of tricking all D&D posters into thinking that he is sincere and should be spoken with. My Imaginary Girlfriend is actually attempting to hurt all of us by wasting our time and lying constantly in order to make fools of us. The times where it may appear that he is being sincere have actually been constructed by him in order to generate a facade behind which he can act out his insane goals of hurting liberals apparently. Why that would be his goal, I don't know but why do republicans exist. He is a nazi. That is the OP of this thread. My Imaginary GF. Never speak to him.
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Cool Bear posted:I would like to briefly state that this thread was created by someone with the sole intention of tricking all D&D posters into thinking that he is sincere and should be spoken with. Holy poo poo man, go to bed. Ugh.
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Cool Bear posted:I would like to briefly state that this thread was created by someone with the sole intention of tricking all D&D posters into thinking that he is sincere and should be spoken with. This is terrible  Now what exactly does this have to do with the Ebola epidemic? I think we should quarantine everyone in the USA that have come in contact with folks infected with Ebola. If they survive, let them go. If not, burn the bodies. I hope I don't sound like a nazi. Sometimes we should be willing to break a few eggs in order to make an omelet. lurker1981 fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Oct 4, 2014 |
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Cool Bear posted:I would like to briefly state that this thread was created by someone with the sole intention of tricking all D&D posters into thinking that he is sincere and should be spoken with. Hmm...one of you has quite the Rap sheet and it ain't GF
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zen death robot posted:What? This is a spillover from another thread. Bear just needs to go to bed.
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lurker1981 posted:This is terrible Yeah, you sound like a Nazi.
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Liberia places restrictions on reporting on Ebola http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/10/liberia-places-restrictions-ebola-coverage-2014103135954899709.html
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Charlz Guybon posted:Liberia places restrictions on reporting on Ebola Things sound really, really bad in Liberia and its like the country is about to collapse within a month. From what I've read, there's an outbreak at the army barracks and the police barracks, in addition to foodstocks running critically low in the rural areas. Pretty much any news out of Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea is coming from the capital cities only. The rural efforts have completely collapsed. Worse, malaria season is about to begin. Those ebola quarantine villages will probably fill up drat fast, even by non-ebola cases, and could possibly amplify transmission. There just doesn't seem to be a roadplan in place that can adequately address West Africa's imminent needs.
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Terrible pictures of Liberia. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ears-3-500.html ^^^Wasn't there rumors of an outbreak at a prison a few weeks ago? What happened with that? Were they all abandoned to die? Let out?
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Apparently I got even more trolled than I thought I did, but listen, John Maynard Keynes was loving right and if you gently caress with him, then I am going to post in your threads and you are not going to like it. My Imaginary GF is probably ok and I was probably wrong. edit: I retract my apology. He is a troll, playing the long game. He will copy and paste things here to maintain credibility. Cool Bear fucked around with this message at 09:55 on Oct 4, 2014 |
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Cool Bear posted:I would like to briefly state a bunch of nonsense Once upon a time, cheerleading and trying to import drama from one thread to another was bannable in D&D. In lieu of those civilized times, I'd point out that it is still mockable and that you're a complete child.
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goatse.cx posted:Good idea, heres my design for the quarantine camp Is it supposed to look like a bomb?  VVVVV - I thought they restricted reporting on Ebola because they didn't want people to panic... or maybe the CDC has absolutely no clue in regards to how to contain this thing. I mean, if we look at the historical evidence prior to this time and date, one could conceivably think that the CDC doesn't have a clue in regards to how to contain this thing. Maybe they thought keeping people ignorant was going to prevent mass outbreaks. After all, it was the possession of knowledge that resulted in Adam and Eve being evicted from the Garden of Eden. lurker1981 fucked around with this message at 08:39 on Oct 4, 2014 |
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So what is the purpose of restricting reporting on Ebola, anyway? I suppose it would be possible to amplify a rumor horribly and cause untold suffering, perhaps even helping to spread the disease.
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Nessus posted:So what is the purpose of restricting reporting on Ebola, anyway? I suppose it would be possible to amplify a rumor horribly and cause untold suffering, perhaps even helping to spread the disease. http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(14)61594-4/fulltext I highly recommend reading this whole document, is very brief, and just as applicable to Liberia. I'll quote and bold below: The Lancet posted:
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Nessus posted:So what is the purpose of restricting reporting on Ebola, anyway? Same reason as always, damage control. You don't want the world to see people in blue jeans spraying chlorine on dying 5 year olds.
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TOOT BOOT posted:Same reason as always, damage control. You don't want the world to see people in blue jeans spraying chlorine on dying 5 year olds. Or, more likely, you have too much pride to admit that you don't know what you are doing, and you are willing to let people suffer and die rather than let others know the truth. VVVVV - I sometimes like to attribute things to malice when more likely they are the result of stupidity. It makes me feel like my superiors aren't inferior to me. I mean, it's not like anyone here has ever been in a situation where someone has been promoted over them for reasons that have nothing to do with competency. lurker1981 fucked around with this message at 09:02 on Oct 4, 2014 |
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The simplest answer: the authorities have lost control, and to admit that would be to invite panic and civil war.
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lurker1981 posted:This is terrible My omelet is a bunch of dead people.
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Regarde Aduck posted:My omelet is a bunch of dead people. Amen, bro. Seriously, though, I think people with ebola should be kept away from uninfected people. As politically incorrect as my opinion may be, I stand by it. Folks who can literally murder others by sharing bodily fluids are dangerous, especially when our main means of breeding involves doing exactly that. One could conceivably even say that to murder one person could be considered genocide, if you think about all the possible benefits that could have been derived from the unborn descendants of that person (not to mention that it is not entirely unreasonable to think that you could create billions of people from, say, an original group of 10 people). Then again, there is the possibility that one of your descendants could be the next Hitler or Stalin... edit: Has the CDC found a cure for AIDS yet? lurker1981 fucked around with this message at 09:47 on Oct 4, 2014 |
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