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Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

GIANT OUIJA BOARD posted:

Lovecraft was born in 1890 to parents who were alive during the time of slavery. The Birth of a Nation was the world's first real blockbuster film, released just two years before Lovecraft's writing career began. The KKK was a significant political force throughout most of his life. Yes, Lovecraft was racist as all hell, but it becomes much more understandable when we put it in these contexts.

Also racist as hell but usually given a pass: F. Scott Fitzgerald, who in his final finished novel refers to a dead black man as "friend of the family scrap."

Thing is, Lovecraft was from Boston. There's a whole bunch of authors from actual slave-owning states who were way less racist than he was. Mark Twain, for instance, was born in Missouri twenty-five years before the Civil War, and published ''Adventures of Huckleberry Finn'' five years before Lovecraft's birth about how having black skin didn't make you any less of a person, and about how calling people 'niggers' all the time was kind of grotesque.

I think I'll quote myself from earlier in the thread on Lovecraft and Robert E. Howard being 'fair for their day':

Darth Walrus posted:

As for 'Lovecraft didn't even have the excuse of being from early 20th-century rural Texas', you forget that he was instead from early-twentieth-century Boston, one of the hotbeds of the eugenics movement and of scientific racism in general, which manifests heavily in his stories - indeed, early Lovecraft often gives the impression that he only knew anything about non-white people through the regurgitations of his racist buddies in academia. However, I'd argue that this and other product-of-their time arguments fail to excuse either of them, and your description of Howard as 'relatively benign' is seriously loving off. Yes, America around the start of the twentieth century was severely racist - the Jim Crow laws were more than ample evidence of that. However, that doesn't mean that every single American citizen, or even every single Western spec-fic writer of the time, had Lovecraft's screaming paranoia about people different from him or Howard's gigantic murderboner for exterminating non-Aryan 'savages'. In fact, they weren't even majority opinions. By 1932, when Howard published his first Conan stories, the Harlem Renaissance was in full swing, and Eleanor Roosevelt was leading a wave of civil-rights campaigners across the country. Even in the South, the Ku Klux Klan was crippled and dying, with its leadership shattered and local papers routinely lambasting it as 'un-American'. Sure, there were still powerful arguments for segregation, but anyone wanting to slaughter the black savages and bathe in their blood was still considered a bit weird. Even the US's biggest ongoing civil-rights disaster, the persecution of Native Americans, had started to make some tiny progress with the Indian Citizenship Act.

Even within the stuffy, conservative, and often batshit crazy fantasy genre, Howard and Lovecraft were by no means moderates. Even Tolkein, generally considered a backward, sheltered old fuddy-duddy by his contemporaries, wrote about his Jew-equivalents, the dwarves, with far more affection than was shown in Howard's greasy, treacherous 'Shemites' (and criticised Hitler for persecuting them, unlike Lovecraft, who was a Hitler fan, and Howard, who had apparently decided Adolf wasn't Aryan enough for his tastes), and expressed extreme discomfort about his own use of evil, dark-skinned savage hordes that can be found nowhere in Howard's work or in Lovecraft's capering mulatto Cthulhu-worshippers.

Now, most of Lovecraft's work was from half a decade earlier than Howard's, when white-supremacist sentiment was rather more fashionable. Mrs. Roosevelt and her allies needed something to push back against for their work to be so historically important, after all. That does not, however, mean that the America of 1917-35 (the timespan of Creepy Howie's writing career) was a uniform pit of racism. The Harlem Renaissance mentioned above began in 1918, a year after Lovecraft's first story, Dagon, and, again, there were way less authors in way more racist states decades beforehand.

Lovecraft doesn't seem to have adapted much to the changing times later in life, either. Here's a fuller text of his letter about Hitler, written in 1933, four years before his death:

quote:

As for the Nazis-of their crudeness there be no dispute, yet in many ways the impartial analyst cannot help feeling a certain sympathy for some phases of their position. They are fighting, in their naive & narrow way, a certain widespread & insidious mood of recent years which certainly spells potential decadence for the western world-& one can't help respecting that however ugly & even dangerous some of them may appear to be. Hitler is no Mussolini-but I'm damned if the poor chap isnt profoundly sincere & patriotic, it is to his credit rather than otherwise that doesn't subscribe to the windy flatulence of the idealistic "liberals" whose policies lead only to chaos & collapse.

As for his much-advertised & hysterically condemned Jew policy-there is something to be said one phase of it. Of course it is silly to ban Jewish books, to impose abilities on Germanically cultured Jews, or to assume that biologicaly speaking a dash of Semitic blood unfits one for Aryan citizenship - That is generally conceded. But after all, there is a very real & grave problem in the presence ot an intellectually powerful minority springing from a profoundly alien & emotionally repulsive culture stream, defying assimilation as a whole, & using its keen mentality & ruthless enterprise to secure a disproportionate hold (in the mental and aesthetic life of a nation, in such a case it is foolish to babble about "rights" &: "principles". The question is whether an enormous Aryan nation, with all the innate feelings & perspectives of Aryan culture, is going to allow its formulated expression (literary models, art, music, etc.) to bely & embarrass it by reflecting an altogether different & sometimes hostile set of feelings & perspectives through gradual & perceptible Semitic control of all avenues of utterance. It is needless to point out that a nation's literary & artistic utterance depends largely on those who control the periodicals, schools, colleges, galleries, publishing-houses, etc - this control largely de-termining what works & types of art shall receive preference in presentation to the public & in treatment by critics, & what attitudes shall receive official recommendation. If such control be gradually seized by a culture-group profoundly foreign to the natural culture-stream of the nation, the result is bound to be tense, awkward, & finally intolerable.

In Germany I rather think such a state of things had almost come about. The loudest cultural voices were those of persons whose basic ideals & sense of values were not German. In books, education, drama, art, philosophy, etc., the voice of real Germany was almost drowned out by a voice which pretended to be German but was not.

To say that nothing ought to be done about this is rash. If a minority-overridden culture has any vitality at all, it will revolt in the end & of course- crudely at first. In my opinion, all nations ought to take quiet & moderate steps to get such pivotal forces as education, large-scale publishing, legal interpretation, criticism, dramatic management, artistic control, etc. into the hands of those who inherit the respective mainstreams of thought & feeling of those nations. Chinamen ought not to let American missionaries dictate & interpret their policies & by the same token Aryans ought not to leave their guidance & interpretation to persons of an irreconcilable Semitic culture.

Of course, this does not mean that the crudities of Hitlerism are to be copied. It is absurd to think that a man of complete Aryan culture ought to be squelched because he has a quarter-share of Semitic blood, or anything like that. But it is not absurd to feel that something ought to be done to keep expression true to the real psychology of the nation involved.

We really face the same problem in America-where the city of New York is virtually lost to the national fabric through its tragic & all-pervasive Semitisation. Our literature & drama, selected by Jewish producers &: great Jewish publishing houses like Knopf, & feeling the pressure of Jewish finance & mercantile advertising, are daily getting farther & farther from the real feelings of the plain American in New England or Virginia or Kansas; whilst the profound Semitism of New York is affecting the "intellectuals" who flock there & creating a flimsy & synthetic body of culture & ideology radically hostile to the virile American attitude. Some day I hope that a reasonably civilised way of getting America's voice uppermost again can be devised. Not that I would advocate violence - but certainly, I can't regard the Nazis with that complete lack of sympathy pathy shewn by those who take popular newspaper sentiment at face value. By the way - it's hardly accurate to compare the Jewish with the negro problem. The trouble with the Jew is not his blood-which can mix with ours without disastrous results but his persistent & antagonistic culture-tradition. On the other hand, the negro represents a vastly inferior biological variant which must under no circumstances taint our Aryan stock. The absolute colour-line as applied to negroes is both necessary & sensible, whereas a similar deadline against Jews (though attempted by Hitler) is ridiculous.

Note how he expresses his admiration for Mussolini, chiefly objects to Hitler's policies because they might target people who aren't Jewish enough, and then acknowledges that the same policies applied to black people would be totally A-OK. Now let's compare what another fantasy author, J. R. R. Tolkein, had to say in 1938 when asked by Nazi publishers whether he happened to have Jewish ancestry:

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Thank you for your letter. I regret that I am not clear as to what you intend by arisch. I am not of Aryan extraction: that is Indo-Iranian; as far as I am aware none of my ancestors spoke Hindustani, Persian, Gypsy, or any related dialects. But if I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people. My great-great-grandfather came to England in the eighteenth century from Germany: the main part of my descent is therefore purely English, and I am an English subject - which should be sufficient. I have been accustomed, nonetheless, to regard my German name with pride, and continued to do so throughout the period of the late regrettable war, in which I served in the English army. I cannot, however, forbear to comment that if impertinent and irrelevant inquiries of this sort are to become the rule in matters of literature, then the time is not far distant when a German name will no longer be a source of pride.

Your enquiry is doubtless made in order to comply with the laws of your own country, but that this should be held to apply to the subjects of another state would be improper, even if it had (as it has not) any bearing whatsoever on the merits of my work or its sustainability for publication, of which you appear to have satisfied yourselves without reference to my Abstammung.

Make no mistake, Tolkein was hardly infallible on racial matters even by the standards of the time, and was kind of a sheltered, conservative old coot, but he and the maladjusted alumni of Weird Tales were leagues apart.

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# ? May 24, 2024 00:53

Cygna: Mar 6, 2009; The ghost of a god is no man.

NPR just did an article on Lovecraft's racism, which is mostly just a plug for someone else's Salon article about Lovecraft's racism (This is the Lovecraft thread, right?): http://www.npr.org/2014/10/04/35373..._content=202405

Favorite Lines from your Own Writing!

# ? Oct 5, 2014 17:27

Vaginapocalypse: Mar 15, 2013; B-but it's so hard being white! Waaaaaagh!

Hitler's racism and anti-semitism was just because he was a product of his time, we can't really judge him for that.

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Burkion: May 10, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

This. This is the most tryhard thing.

# ? Oct 5, 2014 17:47

Puppy Time: Mar 1, 2005

Smirking_Serpent posted:

Why do you think there's so much genre fiction in the world compared to literary fiction?

Is this even a correct assumption? It always seemed to me that there's a lot more "literary" (going by this guy's apparent definition of "set in the real world") fiction than genre available.

I tried checking, but all I can get from Google is a bunch of stuff about the dumb "fight" between literary and genre.

# ? Oct 5, 2014 18:07

Lottery of Babylon: Apr 25, 2012; STRAIGHT TROPIN'

Puppy Time posted:

Is this even a correct assumption? It always seemed to me that there's a lot more "literary" (going by this guy's apparent definition of "set in the real world") fiction than genre available.

Only because "set in the real world" is the wrong dividing line to draw. Under that definition, Hercule Poirot is literary and Animal Farm is not.

# ? Oct 5, 2014 18:17

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Darth Walrus posted:

Thing is, Lovecraft was from Boston. There's a whole bunch of authors from actual slave-owning states who were way less racist than he was. Mark Twain, for instance, was born in Missouri twenty-five years before the Civil War, and published ''Adventures of Huckleberry Finn'' five years before Lovecraft's birth about how having black skin didn't make you any less of a person, and about how calling people 'niggers' all the time was kind of grotesque.

I think I'll quote myself from earlier in the thread on Lovecraft and Robert E. Howard being 'fair for their day':

Now, most of Lovecraft's work was from half a decade earlier than Howard's, when white-supremacist sentiment was rather more fashionable. Mrs. Roosevelt and her allies needed something to push back against for their work to be so historically important, after all. That does not, however, mean that the America of 1917-35 (the timespan of Creepy Howie's writing career) was a uniform pit of racism. The Harlem Renaissance mentioned above began in 1918, a year after Lovecraft's first story, Dagon, and, again, there were way less authors in way more racist states decades beforehand.

Lovecraft doesn't seem to have adapted much to the changing times later in life, either. Here's a fuller text of his letter about Hitler, written in 1933, four years before his death:

Note how he expresses his admiration for Mussolini, chiefly objects to Hitler's policies because they might target people who aren't Jewish enough, and then acknowledges that the same policies applied to black people would be totally A-OK. Now let's compare what another fantasy author, J. R. R. Tolkein, had to say in 1938 when asked by Nazi publishers whether he happened to have Jewish ancestry:

Make no mistake, Tolkein was hardly infallible on racial matters even by the standards of the time, and was kind of a sheltered, conservative old coot, but he and the maladjusted alumni of Weird Tales were leagues apart.

At least that explains why he was okay with marrying a Jewish woman, he didn't hate their "race".

Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Oct 5, 2014

# ? Oct 5, 2014 18:19

Djeser: Mar 22, 2013; it's crow time again

Favorite Lines is one of the most "I want to be Joss Whedon" threads on TVT.

TV Tropes Wiki > Shown Their Work > Fanfiction

Kalash93 puts A LOT of effort and research into his stories. The greatest examples of this so far are the gun porn and detail about the military equipment in ''Racer and the Geek, and the high levels of realism and detail put into the military aspects of Shell Shock. His erotic pieces greatly avert You Fail Sex Ed Forever. He isn't very fond of using artistic license for anything.

Aaron12, author of the Danny Phantom fanfic series, Facing The Future Series takes his time research the cartoon, picking up obscure details and other things to avoid Continuity Snarls. It only helps to make the series more popular.

GreenSonic21, the author of Sonic Generations: Friendship Is Timeless , has clearly done plenty of research on not only pretty much all of the Sonic games, but also the Sonic cartoons and comic books, and it clearly shows. He's even referenced events from the FiM comic books into the story.

TV Tropes Wiki > Fanfic > Mass Effect: The Equestrian Equation

After making planetfall and taking cover in an underground facility, Shepard is attacked by robotic tendrils which pull him away from his companions. When he awakens, Shepard finds that he has been transported to the colorful and magical realm of Equestria, and in the process has been transformed into a pony.

The Equestrian Equation is notable for not only bringing the residents of Ponyville into the Mass Effect universe in a manner that operates within the logic of the video games, but also allowed readers to cast their votes on Shepard's actions at the end of each chapter, with the story adjusting to fit the results.

Cuteness Proximity: Many species find the Equestrians to be absolutely adorable. Even Jack does; though being Jack, she expresses it through suspicion and hostility.
Everypony Lives: Sort of. All the surviving ponies from the Equestria System manage to escape aboard the Normandy. Except for Granny Smith, who dies in the med-bay from unavoidable complications due to extreme old age.
Mind Rape: In order to preserve the Equestrian simulation, Celestia attempts to alter Patricia's mind to make her believe she's a pony. The process nearly lobotomizes her. This sort of mental programing is routine for ponies who don't fit Celestia's ideal "harmonious" psychological profile. Fluttershy is revealed to have gone to an institute for being aggressive in her youth and was subjected to some kind of mental torture that turned her into an Extreme Doormat and caused her to repress her memories of the experience. The same was attempted on Dr. Milligan, as he was labeled insane for thinking himself a human.
Robot Buddy: 42 of 50, a Changeling drone who ends up becoming Twilight's personal assistant at the end of The Equestrian Equation.
Sudden Video-Game Moment: In order to help the others infiltrate the Canterlot Library, Pinkie uses her hacking prowess to convince the guard programs that they are fighting a turn-based RPG battle, complete with accompanying background music. One character even lampshades the Fridge Brilliance of this.

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CoolZidane: Jun 24, 2008

Ratspeaker posted:

NPR just did an article on Lovecraft's racism, which is mostly just a plug for someone else's Salon article about Lovecraft's racism (This is the Lovecraft thread, right?): http://www.npr.org/2014/10/04/35373..._content=202405

Favorite Lines from your Own Writing!

I love Arcee because she got scolded at one point for constantly posting her own stuff while never commenting on anyone else's, so now she's made it a point to respond to nearly everything that gets posted.

# ? Oct 5, 2014 19:11

corn in the bible: Jun 5, 2004; Oh no oh god it's all true!

What is your favorite author? Aha, yes, well mine is greensonic21

# ? Oct 5, 2014 21:13

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

CoolZidane posted:

I love Arcee because she got scolded at one point for constantly posting her own stuff while never commenting on anyone else's, so now she's made it a point to respond to nearly everything that gets posted.

Ventfiction? Sounds great

# ? Oct 5, 2014 21:23

BlueDude: Aug 7, 2014

corn in the bible posted:

What is your favorite author? Aha, yes, well mine is greensonic21

Speaking of which:

quote:

Sonic Generations: Friendship is Timeless is a Crossover Fan Fiction between My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic and Sonic Generations, created by GreenSonic21. It can be found on Fanfiction.net here and on Fimfiction.Net here.
The events of the intro cutscene of Sonic Generations still occured like in the original: Sonic's friends set up a surprise birthday party for him, Sonic shows up to it, and then the Time Eater shows up shortly afterwards, sending Sonic's friends to different parts of Sonic's history.
However, before that happened, the Mane 6 and some of their friends were having a picnic in Ponyville when the Time Eater also shows up and sends the ponies to different parts of Sonic's history.
Now the ponies must join these strange new creatures from another world and destroy this eminent threat that is threatening both of their worlds. Truths will be revealed, lies will be ripped out, and two worlds' fates and a friendship will hang in the balance.

Good.

The trope list proper posted:

* Always Check Behind the Chair: One portal was found inside a book. Another one was found under a bed.
* Author Appeal: Chapter 14 uses five different pieces of music, all from Delta Brony. They're all in this page, by the way.

"This page" links to an Awesome Music page for the story. Yes, a music page for a written "work". Apparently, the author just sticks YouTube links to video game songs, which is pretty lazy.

And yet, some troper thought it was worth documenting. (This is assuming that said troper wasn't GreenSonic21 himself.)

quote:

* Fastball Special: Twice during the Final Battle. First, after Discord summoned the Werehog from Sonic's own Chaos Energy in the hopes of getting an extra ally, only for the Werehog to have a Heel-Face Turn after it was summoned, Super Sonic used it in this manner to distract Discord. Then, after Discord managed to have a little more success with a Black Knight version of Excalibur Sonic that was created from the Shadowbolts being blasted by the Element of Loyalty, after it turned on him because it was loyal to Princess Luna, when Discord pulled a You Have Outlived Your Usefulness and made Black Knight Sonic start to disintegrate, he got a Dying Moment of Awesome by using his BFS to pull one of these with Super Sonic, sending him right at the Time Eater so he could retrieve the Element of Magic.

It'd be easy to just say "so many words for nothing productive!!!1! :tvtropes:

" here, but frankly I don't want to repeat myself excessively. (Frankly, that Daring Do incident a while back proved it better than anything else could.)

Finally, I'd like to mention this:

quote:

* Painting the Medium: There are links to music (well, the URLs are listed, anyway) at the end of the chapter to be used as events in the story. It's not quite as effective as it is in Ace Combat The Equestrian War or Chaotic Harmony, though.

Tropers are true connoisseurs of art.

# ? Oct 5, 2014 22:50

sweeperbravo: May 18, 2012; AUNT GWEN'S COLD SHAPE (!)

CoolZidane posted:

I love Arcee because she got scolded at one point for constantly posting her own stuff while never commenting on anyone else's, so now she's made it a point to respond to nearly everything that gets posted.

Which is especially hilarious because I think most of them just post their own things and never acknowledge anyone else's work, so for her to stand out enough to be "annoying" about it enough to get barked at means she's really a cut above the rest

# ? Oct 6, 2014 00:01

Ron Paul Atreides: Apr 19, 2012; Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

BlueDude posted:

(Frankly, that Daring Do incident a while back proved it better than anything else could.)

I don't care what anyone says that remains the funniest part of this whole goddamn nightmare of a thread

the impotent begging at the tsunami of worthless words, goddamn lol

# ? Oct 6, 2014 04:27

Tiberius Thyben: Feb 7, 2013; Gone Phishing

Ron Paul Atreides posted:

I don't care what anyone says that remains the funniest part of this whole goddamn nightmare of a thread

the impotent begging at the tsunami of worthless words, goddamn lol

Your name reminded me that I wanted to change mine to Kor-El Ron Hubbard.

# ? Oct 6, 2014 05:25

Djeser: Mar 22, 2013; it's crow time again

If anyone doesn't recall the Daring Do thing, page 150.

I had blocked that from my memory entirely, it seems.

# ? Oct 6, 2014 05:26

Cygna: Mar 6, 2009; The ghost of a god is no man.

Kurtofan posted:

Ventfiction? Sounds great

I got curious enough to Google "ventfiction." I got a ton of results for French-language websites and one for this ( :nws:

warning: Mass Effect Joker torture porn). So I guess it's the stuff you write when you need to "vent" all your inner teenage angst into story form.

In case you don't click the link, the author goes into great detail about how they wanted to turn Cupcakes (that My Little Pony torture flash video) into prose form, that they didn't actually like Cupcakes because one of the ponies was out of character during all the carnage, that the devil in the story represents EA Games and what they did to Mass Effect (?!), and that they really really really love torture, which makes them super edgy. And there are 15 comments on the story, but they were all "hidden by owner." Fandom is hosed up.

# ? Oct 6, 2014 06:37

Segmentation Fault: Jun 7, 2012

Wait, do any of the Daring Do stories even exist? Like have they been written or is it Dozerfleet style stuff where it's just things that have never been written but people talk about them like they exist?

# ? Oct 6, 2014 06:57

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; "From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.; Buglord

Segmentation Fault posted:

Wait, do any of the Daring Do stories even exist? Like have they been written or is it Dozerfleet style stuff where it's just things that have never been written but people talk about them like they exist?

Nope. I would call them a product of the imaginations of morons but then I realized that there was no imagination involved at any step in the Daring Do pages.

# ? Oct 6, 2014 06:58

Segmentation Fault: Jun 7, 2012

Improbable Lobster posted:

Nope. I would call them a product of the imaginations of morons but then I realized that there was no imagination involved at any step in the Daring Do pages.

So wait. The huge lists of tropes and poo poo are just purely made up? Is this a form of meta-fiction? At least Fallout: Equestria exists.

Wait poo poo. I'm actually not sure if Fallout: Equestria existing is actually a positive thing here.

# ? Oct 6, 2014 07:02

Djeser: Mar 22, 2013; it's crow time again

It's a joke, in the same vein as something like The SCP Foundation is a joke--it's all fiction presented as if it's real documentation, but instead of being a fictional archive of containment procedures for dangerous items, it's a fictional archive of story elements.

Didn't they also do that for Inspector Spacetime, the fictional show they used for a couple jokes on Community?

# ? Oct 6, 2014 07:12

Razorwired: Dec 7, 2008; It's about to start!

Yes, the "Just for fun" Inspector Spacetime page is obnoxiously long. They basically took Harmon's "The nerd likes Doctor Who but I can't say Doctor Who" joke and ran it so far into the ground they've hit mantle.

They did the same poo poo when a stupid TGWTG personality made a poster for Disney's Anne Frank

# ? Oct 6, 2014 07:51

Khazar-khum: Oct 22, 2008; Cat Army
2nd Battalion

Ratspeaker posted:

Favorite Lines from your Own Writing!

"Not written yet."

In the unlikely event that it ever actually manages to be written, I assume it will have all the stage business and direction included. Along with links to appropriate tropes, because of course this would be an ebook. There'd probably also be a soundtrack of some sort. Maybe even a selection of Youtube videos, so that we know precisely how each character looks and sounds. Don't want the readers getting ideas of their own.

# ? Oct 6, 2014 08:06

ungulateman: Apr 18, 2012; pretentious fuckwit who isn't half as literate or insightful or clever as he thinks he is

Segmentation Fault posted:

So wait. The huge lists of tropes and poo poo are just purely made up? Is this a form of meta-fiction? At least Fallout: Equestria exists.

Wait poo poo. I'm actually not sure if Fallout: Equestria existing is actually a positive thing here.

The Daring Do 'saga' is more inane, but Fallout: Equestria is more reprehensible. I'll let you be the judge of which is worse.

# ? Oct 6, 2014 08:20

Cornwind Evil: Dec 14, 2004; The undisputed world champion of wrestling effortposting

ungulateman posted:

The Daring Do 'saga' is more inane, but Fallout: Equestria is more reprehensible. I'll let you be the judge of which is worse.

Daring Do, if it existed, would at least be APPROPRIATE for the show's target audience to read. That puts it so high above FO:EQ it just went into orbit.

Cornwind Evil fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Oct 7, 2014

# ? Oct 6, 2014 10:56

Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

Please don't post that Daring-Do spiel again. I prefer keeping my webpage text amount under two hundred thousand words, thank you.

# ? Oct 6, 2014 14:38

SolTerrasa: Sep 2, 2011

Arcsquad12 posted:

Please don't post that Daring-Do spiel again. I prefer keeping my webpage text amount under two hundred thousand words, thank you.

It actually crashes the Awful App (at least, on a Nexus 5). So yeah, please don't.

# ? Oct 6, 2014 21:24

corn in the bible: Jun 5, 2004; Oh no oh god it's all true!

Cornwind Evil posted:

Daring Do, if it existed, would at least be APPROPRIATE for thhe show's target audience to read. That puts it so high above FO:EQ it just went into orbit.

there are some daring do novels for children. my niece really likes them.

# ? Oct 6, 2014 21:27

Burkion: May 10, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

corn in the bible posted:

there are some daring do novels for children. my niece really likes them.

Important thing to note-those only came out *AFTER* The Tropers made their epic log about their made up franchise of pony adventure bullshit.

# ? Oct 6, 2014 21:41

Ague Proof: Jun 5, 2014; they told me
I was everything

Burkion posted:

Important thing to note-those only came out *AFTER* The Tropers made their epic log about their made up franchise of pony adventure bullshit.

Was their response to decry it as a violation of their sacred headcanon or to claim that the author was inspired by TvTropes?

# ? Oct 6, 2014 21:46

Ron Paul Atreides: Apr 19, 2012; Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

SolTerrasa posted:

It actually crashes the Awful App (at least, on a Nexus 5). So yeah, please don't.

yeah it crashed mine too. And posting it again just wouldn't have the same impact, but that first time Ahahahaha
a link just wouldn't have been the same, to truly experience the sheer level of pointless bullshit that :tvtropes:

produced there

# ? Oct 6, 2014 22:06

SneezeOfTheDecade: Feb 6, 2011; gettin' covid all
over your posts

Ague Proof posted:

Was their response to decry it as a violation of their sacred headcanon or to claim that the author was inspired by TvTropes?

The former. They are, as far as I can tell, refusing to acknowledge that the real-life books exist, ( :ninja:

): at least on the main wiki. I dare not tread into the depths of the forums.

# ? Oct 6, 2014 23:20

Burkion: May 10, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Besesoth posted:

The former. They are, as far as I can tell, refusing to acknowledge that the real-life books exist, (): at least on the main wiki. I dare not tread into the depths of the forums.

I didn't even KNOW that. That is just the saddest loving thing.

I honestly thought, as the last time we had this chat the Daring Do books were JUST coming out, that they would have combined them into their hosed up thought experiment, try to add SOME kind of illegitimacy to teh whole thing- nope. Instead they act like the most unreasonable people ever.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 00:16

LaughMyselfTo: Nov 15, 2012; by XyloJW

Burkion posted:

I didn't even KNOW that. That is just the saddest loving thing.

I honestly thought, as the last time we had this chat the Daring Do books were JUST coming out, that they would have combined them into their hosed up thought experiment, try to add SOME kind of illegitimacy to teh whole thing- nope. Instead they act like the most unreasonable people ever.

To be fair, have you seen how many words they have about it? Would you want to go back through and rework all of that?

# ? Oct 7, 2014 00:19

Regalingualius: Jan 7, 2012; We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.

Burkion posted:

I didn't even KNOW that. That is just the saddest loving thing.

I honestly thought, as the last time we had this chat the Daring Do books were JUST coming out, that they would have combined them into their hosed up thought experiment, try to add SOME kind of illegitimacy to teh whole thing- nope. Instead they act like the most unreasonable people ever.

You say this as if fan-ficcers in general aren't some of the most obstinate people on Earth already.

Is some aspect of the work deliberately vague or unanswered? LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT HOW THEY hosed AFTERWARDS

Do the creators finally get fed up with it, and break their artistic integrity to give an answer that directly contradicts what some faction of them believes is true? SHUT UP, I ~~COULD~~ WOULD WRITE THIS BETTER THAN YOU

# ? Oct 7, 2014 00:29

Djeser: Mar 22, 2013; it's crow time again

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It seems that in October three Defictionalized Daring Do novels will be released. What to do?

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Then again this is by the same person who did the chapter books and we didn't add the two Daring Do books they bought up in those so, eh.

So, eh. They eagerly talk about 'defictionalizing' their made-up books themselves but are entirely uninterested in anything that's not their own fanfic.

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As loath as I am to criticize someone behind their back, especially in the way I'm about to, I feel this needs to be said. A lot of the stuff posted by newcomer "Hey Why Not" appears to be along the lines of certain fetish material. Lots of inflation/Balloon Bellies, flattening, and transformation into inanimate objects. Now, I refuse to judge people based on what they may or may not like in the bedroom, but I do think there's a time and place, and I'm not necessarily sure that it's here, on these specific pages

Am I overreacting? If I am, please tell me so. I despise the overprotective moral guardians, and would hate to become one even more.
Wasn't what I was going for, sorry. I was trying to go for a more toony vibe using the fact that the Short Stories aren't 'canon'. But if that's what people think, and it's not just overeaction, I'll remove said material. If I unintentionally crossed the line to a creepy place I'm sorry. Again, just trying to see what a toony vibe to counterbalance the more serious stuff that's been done, using the Short Stories Non-Canonicity, sorry if I made things weird.

I don't know what half of this means, but if it's TV Tropes, I'm betting it's fetishes.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 00:30

SneezeOfTheDecade: Feb 6, 2011; gettin' covid all
over your posts

Burkion posted:

try to add SOME kind of illegitimacy

This is my new favorite typo.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 03:54

DeusExMachinima: Sep 2, 2012; This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!

Put this loser on ignore immediately!

If we're talking about HP Lovecraft and death of the author, why not just replace his image on the award with Cthulhu? It's not like the SF "literary" "community" deserves to be taken seriously or take itself so seriously.

Anyway here's a Nightmare Fuel page about the SCP Foundation, a paranormal fiction community wiki, which is an archive binge-able site just like TVT. All of these entries read like they're almost certainly written by the writers of the same fiction piece on the SCP site. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NightmareFuel/SCPFoundation

# ? Oct 7, 2014 05:02

Terrible Opinions: Oct 18, 2013

If I remember correctly the SCP foundation page being added to TvTropes led to a bunch of tropers flocking there, and making terrible entries that were fairly quickly deleted. They then whined about how unfair it was and joined one of the no deletion SCP spinoffs.

# ? Oct 7, 2014 16:39

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# ? May 24, 2024 00:53

Hammurabi: Nov 4, 2009

PresidentBeard posted:

If I remember correctly the SCP foundation page being added to TvTropes led to a bunch of tropers flocking there, and making terrible entries that were fairly quickly deleted. They then whined about how unfair it was and joined one of the no deletion SCP spinoffs.

That sounds funny. Link?

# ? Oct 7, 2014 17:18

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