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Cataphract posted:Can Chaos Space Marines get drop pods please? I mean, come one already. 
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Oct 4, 2014 22:18
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I think all Chaos Space Marines should have drop pods. They seem way more vital and also likely to have survived the Long War than, say, Vindicators.
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Oct 4, 2014 22:20
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I thought drop pods were basically one use, though. The idea of CSM going back to salvage up their pods so they can fix them up and refuel them for later use doesn't really sound right.
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Oct 4, 2014 22:33
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Hra Mormo posted:I thought drop pods were basically one use, though. The idea of CSM going back to salvage up their pods so they can fix them up and refuel them for later use doesn't really sound right. Dread claws were not one use, so. And even if they were one use, that doesn't mean they would be personally going down to fix them - either the mission is important enough to not care, or they just took over the planet and now have abundant slave labor.
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Oct 4, 2014 22:46
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Playing a game tonight against Eldar with my Space Marines. Thinking 2k so he can bring his big dumb expensive units he owns but always has a hard time fiting in our usual 1k games. Going to bring a really generic list but then make a list with the old Armedggedon Salamander rules and see if he doesnt mind playing it because why not.
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Oct 4, 2014 23:08
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I could even picture a Chapter Tactics-style rule that, instead of covering one for each legion (because that's excluding warbands and homebrew stuff) there could be 4 or 5 different general CT-style rules to apply to the whole army. Sneaky, choppy, speedy, sorcerous, what have you. Just spitballing here. Also, I'm using Army Painter's Greenskin paint and this is seriously the worst poo poo ever. The spray version is fine (I use it on all my Cadians) but the bottled stuff takes 3-4 coats to cover an area primed with the same color with a wash. It's absolutely horrendous. Abaddon Black takes 3-4 coats to cover the green as well. Given this Leman Russ' scheme of green and black camo, it's kinda 
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Oct 4, 2014 23:13
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S.J. posted:Dread claws were not one use, so. And even if they were one use, that doesn't mean they would be personally going down to fix them - either the mission is important enough to not care, or they just took over the planet and now have abundant slave labor. They wouldn't need to or care about salvaging them. The CSM aren't short on resources. They have the entire Dark Mechanicus making stuff for them.
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Oct 4, 2014 23:13
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PeterWeller posted:They wouldn't need to or care about salvaging them. The CSM aren't short on resources. They have the entire Dark Mechanicus making stuff for them.
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Oct 4, 2014 23:14
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SRM posted:Well, depends which CSM we're talking about. The Night Lords are basically space hobos who salvage resources wherever they can. But surely "salvage resources" means "raid a forge world."
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Oct 4, 2014 23:29
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SRM posted:Well, depends which CSM we're talking about. The Night Lords are basically space hobos who salvage resources wherever they can. I thought that was the Blood Raven's shtick.
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Oct 4, 2014 23:29
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DJ Dizzy posted:I thought that was the Blood Raven's shtick.
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Oct 4, 2014 23:47
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Is there anything special for Night Lords, Iron Warriors, Alpha Legion, or Word Bearers? I know they're pushing the whole "Chaos Warband" thing, but you can use the Cult Marines to represent World Eaters, Thousand Sons, Death Guard, or Emperor's Children.
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Oct 5, 2014 00:16
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I've never been under the impression that drop pods were one use. Even if they require a lot of rebuild work between uses (which would stand to reason) you for sure retrieve the hulls and stuff whenever you have the chance. Like, obviously you write off one that's now under a kilometer of Tyranid biomass, but otherwise you take it with you when you leave.
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Oct 5, 2014 00:18
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SRM posted:Well, depends which CSM we're talking about. The Night Lords are basically space hobos who salvage resources wherever they can. I thought that was mostly the Exalted's warband. Krieg Acerbus' Night Lords seemed to be quite well-supplied, especially for such a massive warband. And in Throne of Lies, even a fraction of the Legion has craptons of ships, armor and weapons. The thing many people forget about chaos forces is that they, unlike most others (except orks) get to keep the stuff from those they defeat. No loyalist chapter would dare refit a captured Chaos ship; they'd likely scuttle it posthaste due to all the corruption and even for beaing a reminder of the Heresy. Chaos marines, on the other hand, are quite happy to help themselves to ships, weaponry, facilities and you name it. So a warband on a winning streak can expand its forces with alarming speed (the new Talon of Horus series seems poised to describe just such an event).
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Oct 5, 2014 00:29
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Also, Chaos is full of those scrappy pirate warbands (from pretty much every Legion line) who need to do that sort of poo poo in order to survive, whereas even the most D-list space marine chapter can at least nominally count on the Imperial infrastructure to ship them new gear on a regular basis, or have their own forges, or whatever. I mean you're also right in your implied point that even the big boy warbands usually aren't too proud to use a captured ship or land raider, but then you have the really hard up bands that will patch over the rents in a captured breastplate and use it without even bothering to repaint it.
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Oct 5, 2014 01:19
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I think everyone's forgetting that the third edition chaos codex was such a mess that GW put out two revised printings changing stats and stuff around without telling anyone. You guys don't remember the three different obliterator statlines between the three books? That said, I've always been of the opinion that since that book, you can make a decently fitting warband for each legion if you just have the willpower to not include certain units. The legion rules were just as bad, if not worse than chapter traits and imperial guard doctrines that were the contemporary system to the legion rules, and nobody's been clamoring to bring those back ever. Space Marines are gonna get fancy crap compared to every other faction because GW sells space marines by the bucketful compared to everything else, and junk like more expensive, bigger codex, the three or four supplemental books have enough volume of sales to support all of it. Not so for Chaos or Guard.
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Oct 5, 2014 02:21
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SRM posted:I could even picture a Chapter Tactics-style rule that, instead of covering one for each legion (because that's excluding warbands and homebrew stuff) there could be 4 or 5 different general CT-style rules to apply to the whole army. Sneaky, choppy, speedy, sorcerous, what have you. Just spitballing here. Idea: VotLW does different things depending on the Legion you're playing. +1ld and a special rule: Night Lords get Stealth/Night Vision/Both, Alpha Legion gets Infiltrate, Iron Warriors get something (I dunno, tank hunter?). Word Bearers would be the odd one out here since they didn't have any associate skills in 3rd edition. Of course, such a rule could potentially get weird/broken when combined with Marks, so that'd have to be put in consideration.
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Oct 5, 2014 02:38
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I feel dirty even asking this but is the Dark Eldar succubus a legal model, rules as written? She's got an agonizer and an archite glaive. She can replace her close combat weapon with the glaive as one of her options. Then it says she can take items from the Melee Weapons list. That list says "a model may replace its Melee weapon with one of the following:" and lists the agonizer. Like, surely they're not dumb enough to sculpt a model that can't be used with its stock options? I'm missing something, right?
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Oct 5, 2014 02:55
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Snollygoster posted:Like, surely they're not dumb enough to sculpt a model that can't be used with its stock options? I'm missing something, right? Just finished up this tank for my Cadians. I'm not entirely happy with it, since Army Painter's Greenskin and GW's Abaddon Black are two of the worst paints I've ever had to use. Each of them took 3-4 coats just to cover the undercoat, which was already Army Painter's (actually really good) Greenskin primer. I got kind of frustrated so some parts don't look quite as good as I wish they did, but it's ready for the tabletop:     Now some of the more astute/ancient of you might think "Wait a minute! The Exterminator didn't come out until 3rd edition!" and well, you'd be right. I actually had this same realization after I'd bought the drat thing. However, I think I worked out an amicable solution: 
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Oct 5, 2014 03:35
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SRM posted:Now some of the more astute/ancient of you might think "Wait a minute! The Exterminator didn't come out until 3rd edition!" and well, you'd be right. I actually had this same realization after I'd bought the drat thing. However, I think I worked out an amicable solution: Well done. 
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Oct 5, 2014 03:37
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Thanks for the info and interest in the stuff I posted a couple of pages back. The sale thread is up and includes a 2nd edition Blood Bowl Dwarf Team. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3669778 Stop by, take a look, buy my stuff. Indolent Bastard fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Oct 5, 2014 |
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Oct 5, 2014 03:42
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Snollygoster posted:I feel dirty even asking this but is the Dark Eldar succubus a legal model, rules as written? A pistol is technically a Melee weapon.
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Oct 5, 2014 03:58
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Snollygoster posted:I feel dirty even asking this but is the Dark Eldar succubus a legal model, rules as written? It's likely that the arms are separate pieces, and you can build her with legal kit by swapping arms with other sets. It looks like the trueborn dracon in the silver, green and red army has her right arm as part of his cool (and not technically legal or even necessary) dual agonizer kit. As far as I can remember, hers is the only right hand agonizer.
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Oct 5, 2014 04:03
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MasterSlowPoke posted:A pistol is technically a Melee weapon. Except splinter pistols are under the Ranged Weapon section 
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Oct 5, 2014 04:06
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BULBASAUR posted:Ghost Hand, legit question- besides the books, is Forgeworld producing any of their resin in other parts of the world? The turn around for recasters to make brand new FW models is crazy fast and whatever material they are using is either identical or in some cases, better than what Forgeworld uses. All Forge World models are now produced in the UK. They used to produce some in China (many years ago) but no longer do.
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Oct 5, 2014 08:02
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Is the Black Legion Supplement worse than just using the standard chaos codex? It certainly seems that way.
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Oct 5, 2014 08:14
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Uh SRM isn't that an annihilator?
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Oct 5, 2014 08:24
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Definitely not, that's just how autocannons looked in 2nd/3rd ed.
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Oct 5, 2014 08:35
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Unlikely I know but, do any of you have spare DE haywire blasters from the Scourge kit that you'd be willing to sell on? Ideally I need two.
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Oct 5, 2014 10:13
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not lame! posted:Is the Black Legion Supplement worse than just using the standard chaos codex? It certainly seems that way. Yup. The relics are way, way worse for basically no difference in the rest of the book. The Crimson Slaughter book is actually pretty decent if you want to use one of the supplements.
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Oct 5, 2014 13:40
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Ghost Hand posted:All Forge World models are now produced in the UK. They used to produce some in China (many years ago) but no longer do. There are many Forge World models still produced in China, just not by Forge World.
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Oct 5, 2014 14:33
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Cataphract posted:Can night lords get drop pods please? Look, don't be stupid. What use would a fast-moving assault army that thrives on literally bathing in the blood and screams of its enemies have for a quick orbit-to-surface transport? And moreover, why would an army that relies on shock tactics and striking in the enemy's rear want some sort of way to break into the supply lines of an entrenched force? Please, think for a moment before you open your mouth. You're making us all look bad.
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Oct 5, 2014 15:05
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Here's a question. I'm putting together my Hellbrute Mayhem Pack, and in return for Deepstriking and It Will Not Die, they go crazed every turn. I was thinking of going with this. Hellbrute - 2 fists, heavy flamer, combi bolter - 120 Hellbrute - Reaper autocannon, power scrouge - 115 Hellbrute - Multi-melta, powerfist, heavy flamer - 115 Total 350 points for 3 deepstriking walkers. Is this a decent list to go for? They can pop armour when they drop in, are likely to rage 2/3 of the time, have shooting weapons for if they don't and to soften up targets. Here's a question. Do they go crazed on the turn they come in? Also Ghosthand, who has IA13, are Decimators worth getting? I'm thinking of a very Dark Mechanicus themed Iron Warrior force. Murderpack, Maulerfiend, Heldrake, 2/3 units of cultists, 2 units of Iron Warriors, Vindicator as where to go for a force, was wondering if a Decimator would be a good addition to a fairly walker heavy force. Could also go with an Iron Warriors Contemptor, though would be hesitant if they also get Crazed.
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Oct 5, 2014 15:06
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JerryLee posted:I've never been under the impression that drop pods were one use. Even if they require a lot of rebuild work between uses (which would stand to reason) you for sure retrieve the hulls and stuff whenever you have the chance. Like, obviously you write off one that's now under a kilometer of Tyranid biomass, but otherwise you take it with you when you leave. I agree with this. I always figured they recovered the ones they could.
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Oct 5, 2014 16:43
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Indolent Bastard posted:There are many Forge World models still produced in China, just not by Forge World. Well played - I should have thrown the word "legitimate" in there :P
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Oct 5, 2014 16:45
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From a purely realistic standpoint, the energy necessary to lift them into orbit probably wouldn't be even close to worth the value of whatever materials and construction costs were wrapped up in one, but, well, realism and 40K and all. I like to imagine a very, very, very specialized Thunderhawk variant that exists to do nothing but drag expended Drop Pods back up to the Strike Cruisers and Battle Barges. Hell, I wouldn't be all that surprised to see FW release one- I mean, the Thunderhawk Transporter and Valkyrie Skytalon are already things, so...
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Oct 5, 2014 16:47
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AbusePuppy posted:From a purely realistic standpoint, the energy necessary to lift them into orbit probably wouldn't be even close to worth the value of whatever materials and construction costs were wrapped up in one, but, well, realism and 40K and all. I like to imagine it's something akin to Ork lifta droppa technology- just a big tractor beam gun that sucks expended drop pods back up into the hold of the strike cruiser or battle barge. That or legions of chapter serfs and servitors equipped with little more than picks and shovels have to go around digging them out of the craters they made and rolling them onto some sort of STC flatbed space truck. Whatever the process is, I imagine it to be caked in ritual and involve excess risk. This is 40K after all.
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Oct 5, 2014 17:49
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Guys everybody knows they just unfold their petals and spin like a beautiful heliflower.
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Oct 5, 2014 18:07
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They use a giant version of one of these attached to their spaceships: It takes a long time because the claw doesnt actually fit the pods properly, also power armour doesnt have a lot of places to keep spare change, so the tech marines manning the controls keep having to run back to the chapter master to ask for more money for the claw machine.
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I'm going to be hitting a mid-power tournament this weekend, want to get a little advice on this list-code:Purifiers combat squaded, Psycannons on the board with the Rhino, special weapons and Incinerators in the 'raven. Deepstriking everything I can turn one, of course.
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