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thexerox123 posted:the Doctor fly a race car This part at least already happened in Planet of the Spiders.
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Oct 5, 2014 21:56
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I'm going to bed now and I want to avoid just posting lots of alternate history ones so let's go with Bring The Jubilee and John Carter of Mars for two sci fi books set explicitly in the past.
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Oct 5, 2014 22:01
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Stonefish posted:One decision? "One decision", as point out the fact that Humanity decided to kill the moon, but the other 2 decided to override it. In other words, I wasn't talking about the chain of events that lead to the decision, I was talking about the single decision itself, and it was ignored. (If you're talking about the chain of events, I guess you would call it the "end decision", if that makes it more sense for you.)
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Oct 5, 2014 22:34
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When all I knew about this episode was the title, I had hoped it was about the "nuke the moon" plan to simultaneously get rid of our nuclear arsenal and cure global warming.
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Oct 5, 2014 22:43
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Gordon Shumway posted:This part at least already happened in Planet of the Spiders. The Spiders in Planet of the Spiders were so much more interesting than the poo poo we got last night. Also for the people complaining about the physics issues, the bio issues with the spiders stunk too. Why make the specifically single-celled bacteria when they clearly were not. Having them turn out to be parasites was fine but they did not look or act like single-celled organisms so portraying them as that just makes the writer come off as a moron. Possibly because he is one?
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Oct 5, 2014 22:46
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Talking about things I liked in the episode, I thought Capaldi's performance of "well yeah, if you NUKE THIS INFANT everything will be fine, just be sure you place your bombs just right to MURDER THIS INNOCENT ALIEN BABY" was phenomenal.
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Oct 5, 2014 22:51
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Cliff Racer posted:The Spiders in Planet of the Spiders were so much more interesting than the poo poo we got last night. Also for the people complaining about the physics issues, the bio issues with the spiders stunk too. Why make the specifically single-celled bacteria when they clearly were not. Having them turn out to be parasites was fine but they did not look or act like single-celled organisms so portraying them as that just makes the writer come off as a moron. Possibly because he is one? To be fair, there are macroscopic unicellular organisms on Earth. Complaining about fictional exobiology is kind of silly considering we have only one data set to use to examine and define life, as it stands.
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Oct 5, 2014 22:53
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thexerox123 posted:To be fair, there are macroscopic unicellular organisms on Earth. There are, and they are amorphus blobs with multiple nuclei. Those things on screen weren't at all like slime molds.
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Oct 5, 2014 22:54
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Cliff Racer posted:There are, and they are amorphus blobs with multiple nuclei. Those things on screen weren't at all like slime molds. Maybe that's just all that can be achieved using DNA. 
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Oct 5, 2014 22:55
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Rat Flavoured Rats posted:I'm really enjoying 12's new theme, and will hopefully continue to do so until it gets as overused as 'I Am The Doctor' was.  Anyway, let's take a moment to appreciate that the two camps in this argument hold these positions: The egg thing was stupid, but that doesn't matter. The egg thing was stupid and that matters. We're agreeing! 
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Oct 5, 2014 23:02
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LividLiquid posted:The audacity! Wait wait wait. Twelve has a theme? I genuinely haven't noticed. And say what you want about Murray Gold, but he struck fried loving gold with "I Am The Doctor".
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Oct 5, 2014 23:05
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Autonomous Monster posted:Wait wait wait. Twelve has a theme? It's no I am the Doctor, but it's pretty good.
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Oct 5, 2014 23:09
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Autonomous Monster posted:And say what you want about Murray Gold, but he struck fried loving gold with "I Am The Doctor". You could say that he struck Murray Gold... Also, I hadn't noticed his theme either.
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Oct 5, 2014 23:10
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I will never say a negative thing about Doctor Who again if 35 years from now the Doctor is on Earth with his latest present-day companion and Clara's message pops up on all the T.V.s. Just for fun, any of you more knowledgeable fans have any important dates or events in Doctor Who history that are going to be coming up soon, or happened in the past decade? You know, "Lets hop into my time machine and go to the distant future of 2010!" kind of stuff. I know DW just ignores that stuff, much like it did all of Torchwood and the many times humanity at large knew about the presence of aliens during RTD's run, but I'm curious.
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Oct 5, 2014 23:50
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NowonSA posted:I will never say a negative thing about Doctor Who again if 35 years from now the Doctor is on Earth with his latest present-day companion and Clara's message pops up on all the T.V.s. The last time Doctor Who tried to "follow up" on that sort of thing, we got "Attach of the Cybermen", so NO THANKS!
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Oct 5, 2014 23:54
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DoctorWhat posted:The last time Doctor Who tried to "follow up" on that sort of thing, we got "Attach of the Cybermen", so NO THANKS! So what you're saying is that we have to decide if we should nuke Ian Levine or if we sh- entire thread pushes nuke button at once
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Oct 5, 2014 23:58
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I had to Google the name to know who he was. He produced music for the show? What'd he do to be so hated?
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Oct 6, 2014 00:03
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LividLiquid posted:I had to Google the name to know who he was. He produced music for the show? His music erred on the side of OTT and got reused a lot.
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Oct 6, 2014 00:07
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LividLiquid posted:I had to Google the name to know who he was. He produced music for the show? He was a Superfan who got heavily involved as a creative consultant during the mid-late 80s and turned out to be the worst kind of spergy fan obsessed with continuity-porn. He clashed heavily with one of the script editors at the time who was also a very abrasive personality, and had what was described as an unhealthy amount of influence over the show (the "showrunner" at the time loved Doctor Who but was burned out and wanted to move on, but couldn't because he knew the show would be canceled once he left). He's independently wealthy and uses his money to produce horrible looking fanfiction films, some gifs of which I don't doubt somebody will now post. In his defense, though he often overstates or plays up his impact, he was responsible for saving or finding at least some of the "lost" episodes of Who, though he appeared to go batshit insane over the last couple of years when the rumors of the mysterious giant find of lost episodes started going around. Edit: That was about Ian Levine, I think I misread your post and that you were talking about Murray Gold? In that case, his music is/was very bombastic at times and, the internet being what it is, people wildly overstated just how bad it was.
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Oct 6, 2014 00:08
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I was talking about Levine. Thanks.
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Oct 6, 2014 00:12
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Cross posting from the Oxx thread. Here's my favorite trailer for the show. It's doofy and silly, but the exact flavor I like pretty much. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiME2ONoom0
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Oct 6, 2014 00:17
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There's a bit in one of the introductions for the Hitchhiker's books where Douglas Adams talks about how "you can hear the tires screeching across the pavement" as the plot moves around. That describes this episode in particular and the season as a whole. Giant dinosaur in London. The Doctor can't stop insulting Clara. The moon is an egg. The Doctor hates soldiers. A whole bunch of non sequitur moments jammed into place in service of some overarching story. Loved the bits about the yo-yo and Courtney Wood. Loathed centuries of science about the moon turned into a damp squib of a special effect that wouldn't have been too out of place in Fear Her and a plot done better in a Mr Show sketch. Jet Jaguar fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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Oct 6, 2014 00:18
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Jerusalem posted:He's independently wealthy and uses his money to produce horrible looking fanfiction films, some gifs of which I don't doubt somebody will now post. In his defense, though he often overstates or plays up his impact, he was responsible for saving or finding at least some of the "lost" episodes of Who, though he appeared to go batshit insane over the last couple of years when the rumors of the mysterious giant find of lost episodes started going around. To be completely fair, I'm given to understand that the extent of how many episodes were lost only started to become widely known when Levine got in touch with the Beeb to ask if he could copy their master tapes to fill in gaps in his collection, then spilled the beans when he learned they no longer had them. Surprised you didn't mention his crowning achievement, though.
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Oct 6, 2014 00:22
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PriorMarcus posted:Cross posting from the Oxx thread. It's interesting because it basically features Donna as very much in the vein of Martha and Rose - in awe of the Doctor and how special and wonderful he is. Then in the actual season we got the far more interesting breath of fresh air of a companion that, while appreciating the Doctor, refused to let him get a big head and frequently questioned his attitude and values. There are some corners of the universe which have bred the most terrible things. Things which act against everything we believe in. They must be fought.
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Oct 6, 2014 00:23
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That's Levine in the middle there. A fan rich enough to get the actual actors for his fan films. Poor, poor Sylvester McCoy.
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Oct 6, 2014 00:27
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marktheando posted:That's Levine in the middle there. A fan rich enough to get the actual actors for his fan films. Poor, poor Sylvester McCoy. Every time I look at this picture, something new delights me. Today, I realized that Colin's clearly passed his love of Crocs onto Sly!
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Oct 6, 2014 00:32
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marktheando posted:That's Levine in the middle there. A fan rich enough to get the actual actors for his fan films. Poor, poor Sylvester McCoy. I feel bad for Sly. First this, then some flash-in-the-pan movie based on a kid's book. He even had to fly to New Zealand for the role!
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Oct 6, 2014 00:49
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CobiWann posted:He even had to fly to New Zealand for the role! And back, just so he could hide in a Dalek during the 50th.
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Oct 6, 2014 00:52
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Ah, I was just rewatching The Big Bang and at the end 11, Rory and Amy are off to save the Space Orient Express from an Egyptian Goddess. With the Mummy shown as the villain and a sarcophagus, I have to assume next episode either deals with that event or will at least make a reference to the Doctor having already been there on a similar case. My pet theory is that 11 is talking to 12 at the end of Big Bang, and 12 basically calls for help after finding out at the end of the episode that something about 11/Amy/Rory makes them the key to solving the Orient's crisis. Maybe something happens to jog his memory, he did have the thousand or so years on Trenzalore so that may have made things a bit fuzzy. It also makes a bit of sense thematically because 12 just had his big fight with Clara, and since he'll probably be on his own here him doing something like hearing 11 and the gang on the phone might remind him of the happiness he can get from traveling with his companions. Given that they already had 11 leave a voicemail it's probably a stretch to do a 2nd phone communication, but I know I'd enjoy it and lord knows they've done more hamfisted interaction between Doctor incarnations before. Anyway, it'll just seem odd to me if the Doctor goes on an adventure that he's already been on once before quite recently (in Earth time/seasons at least), and it doesn't get referenced in some way. Heck the plot of the first episode of this season was basically a rehash of a very old episode, and they called that out multiple times. Apologies if this was pointed out already, I would have to imagine someone else realized the similarity here, but these are just my thoughts on it.
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Oct 6, 2014 01:00
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It's already been posted in this thread that Sandifer called this the greatest episode of Doctor Who ever, and coming from one person, that's understandable. But there have been others giving it super high praise as well, there's the AV Club's review and two of my friends have been over the moon, so to speak, at how good it is. (What's interesting, too, is that Sandifer and Alasdair Wilkins from the AV Club both generally cite different parts of the episode as the best; Sandifer goes for the general plot about the space thingy and Wilkins goes for the confrontation in the TARDIS.) I think this season is great so far and I really liked this episode, but I'm not quite seeing the all-time classic that some people are already calling it. It seems the thread has definitely been a little cooler (though not negative, really). Is there anybody in this thread who feels this way and wants to give it a go?
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Oct 6, 2014 01:20
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Rochallor posted:I think this season is great so far and I really liked this episode, but I'm not quite seeing the all-time classic that some people are already calling it. It seems the thread has definitely been a little cooler (though not negative, really). Is there anybody in this thread who feels this way and wants to give it a go? All-time classic isn't that high a hurtle to jump. There are a ton of enjoyable episodes that nevertheless lack the right combination of elements to make them "classics." As for Kill the Moon, I think its a good episode, but it doesn't have any tonal variation to it. It starts dire and ends dire. It would have been better if it started off like The Beast Below with a lighter tone in the first act before introducing the heavier and more dramatic poo poo in the second.
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Oct 6, 2014 01:35
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Burkion posted:The Donna Train don't got no breaks, baby. WOO WOO Crosspost to include-  Goddamnit last minute brain reset...
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Oct 6, 2014 01:36
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LividLiquid posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlTCflVs_DE I didn't catch on to it as a leitmotif until last night. It's interesting how they staged that moment too. Less the Doctor remembering, more like he was suddenly gaining or accessing the knowledge, like the quickening from Highlander or something.
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Oct 6, 2014 01:50
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Toxxupation posted:People don't really change. They may try to change, for the better, and for the worse, but ultimately via a combination of laziness and lethargy they end up making the exact same decisions that they made before. They, ultimately, become exactly who they always were ...has Occ already seen Journey's End? Haha.
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Oct 6, 2014 01:50
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marktheando posted:The Whomobile owns. I'm surprised Capaldi hasn't trotted it out yet...
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Oct 6, 2014 01:55
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This episode did have a lot of flaws, but if you can ignore those (and if you can't I'm sure how you can even watch this show) then you have an interesting moral dilemma, a new take on a theme that has been simmering in the background of this series, some cool worldbuilding of the kind that Moffat normally neglects and brilliant character development in the leads. I don't know if I'd call it a classic, but like most of the rest of this series I think this episode tried something new and largely worked on the most important levels.
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Oct 6, 2014 02:00
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I just finished watching the episode. I actually really loved it. The science was complete nonsense, obviously, but I'm usually willing to give Doctor Who a free pass on that. There were a few cringeworthy lines here and there (Courtney's "thingy" line), but I really loved the characterization of the Doctor, of Clara, of Courtney and of Danny. I like that Clara confronted him and it was for the same thing that Danny had in the previous episode. He's being accused of being a Time Lord, and not a rebel one. I actually liked the way the Doctor was "condescending" this time; he gave a child who wanted to feel special a chance to feel like the most special human in space and time, and of course he knew it would happen because he left Clara in charge, but Clara is also right; it was condescending and it sure as hell isn't the way you treat a friend. I like the direction they're going and I hope it lets Capaldi develop more and more. He gets more likable as he goes, I think.
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I really didn't like this episode, though not because of the questionable physics. The moon being an egg, and the creature hatching from it immediately laying a new egg to tie everything up is par for the course in Doctor Who. It's silly and doesn't survive the barest scientific scrutiny, but the show's done worse while still being entertaining. My problem is the moral question on which the climax revolves. Is it supposed to be an abortion metaphor? I find it hard to believe otherwise, what with the decision of terminating a potentially deadly birth being left in the hands of three women. But if this is about abortion, what message is it sending? The Earth, as well as it's female representative on the moon, all unanimously decide to kill the egg. The decision is then forcefully taken away by a temporal outsider, at which point the male Doctor returns to reassure them that this was the right coarse of action. The female astronaut even thanks Clara for taking the choice away from her. Clara then berates the Doctor for leaving the decision to her. Now, given any other situation, I'd be right there with Clara, as the Doctor does deserve to be chewed out for a number of reasons. But if this is an abortion metaphor, the message seems to be that women shouldn't make these decisions, at least not alone. I hope I'm mistaken, because that message is total bullshit.
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glitchwraith posted:I really didn't like this episode, though not because of the questionable physics. The moon being an egg, and the creature hatching from it immediately laying a new egg to tie everything up is par for the course in Doctor Who. It's silly and doesn't survive the barest scientific scrutiny, but the show's done worse while still being entertaining. The abortion metaphor isn't ENTIRELY cogent. The episode obviously takes pains (three women having the debate, et al) to soften the subtext that DOES exist, but I'm not sure an abortion debate exists without a "mother". It's an INFANTICIDE/GENOCIDE debate with abortion overtones caused by the same "setting" that causes the moon-egg silliness.
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