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Seymour Butts posted:Hey guys! Brand new to the thread and game! Bought my first box and I hope you all don't mind if in the next couple of weeks I bombard this thread with basic questions and such. I'm really enjoying the game so far and I even played in a draft last night. Everyone was experienced, but I just told them that it was literally my fifth time playing and my opponents were really helpful and patient Get out while you can! Just kidding, this game is awesome, but your wallet might hate you.
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Entropic posted:I would love to see the fallout if he gets suspended or something for unsporting conduct. Burgergate! He didn't call out anyone specifically or take photos with the intent to shame. The only person that could reasonably be insulted is the TO and griping about TO practices is something I'd like every magic player to be able to do without risking their prizes/invites.
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Madmarker posted:Thats a bit of a unfair comparison, Rabble Red came about thanks to M15, Mono-black devotion was a thing before m15 came out, m15 brought about a whole new meta. Yes it was a good metagame call, and certainly influenced by Moboblack's previous dominance, but Rabblemaster wasn't even printed for most of monoblack's reign. I don't really play "unknown decks" but I do take a stock list and try to tune it a little bit for the meta. Like I was playing Rabble Red with a white splash last standard and I was pretty much playing the RW control list that made top 8 in Edison with some minor tweaks last night.
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Molybdenum posted:He didn't call out anyone specifically or take photos with the intent to shame. The only person that could reasonably be insulted is the TO and griping about TO practices is something I'd like every magic player to be able to do without risking their prizes/invites. He's a classic "bad guy with legitimate point"
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Seymour Butts posted:Hey guys! Brand new to the thread and game! Bought my first box and I hope you all don't mind if in the next couple of weeks I bombard this thread with basic questions and such. I'm really enjoying the game so far and I even played in a draft last night. Everyone was experienced, but I just told them that it was literally my fifth time playing and my opponents were really helpful and patient First rule of managing your money well with Magic: Do not buy boxes. Second rule of managing your money well with Magic: Do NOT buy boxes! Really though if you have enough friends buying a box for drafting is fine, especially if you split the costs between all 8 people (around 12-13 bux each person).
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Lord Of Texas posted:He's a classic "bad guy with legitimate point" What's his legitimate point though? That Americans are fat? He's complaining on facebook about the free food provided to him, food that was probably paid for by the store or the TO. He shouldn't be punished but now at least everyone will know he's a bit of an rear end in a top hat.
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Oct 7, 2014 16:15
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neetengie posted:oh man i missed this post It is true. I almost gave in yesterday, it was so close. Then I realized that patience is a virtue and my money is valuable. My GR monsters deck will be fine without 2 sarkhans for another month or so.
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Oct 7, 2014 16:16
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Just win boxes, problem solved!
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Oct 7, 2014 16:28
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Personally I think only good can come out of chiding Magic players to not be sedentary fatasses.
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mcmagic posted:And what happened when MonoB started to dominate the meta? Rabble red smashed their face in. If you know the meta, you should be able to beat it. (Not that i'm a good enough player to be able to do that reliability.) I think the only matchup that beats jeskai on a good % is abzan in my playtesting. Sorin and rhino are things jeskai has to have an answer to immediately. The only things that seem to deal with sorin and rhino reliably are disdainful stroke and Fated conflagration in a single card. Even if answers are found immediately those cards hitting the board put azban in a good spot. Jeskai seems to be a hard deck to sideboard against though for the most part. Whats the best sideboard card? Ram? Deflecting palm?
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Oct 7, 2014 16:33
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Sickening posted:Jeskai seems to be a hard deck to sideboard against though for the most part. Whats the best sideboard card? Ram? Deflecting palm? Death frenzy, maybe? I forgot that card existed until I drafted it last weekend. It spares most Abzan cards and hits a lot of threats out of Jeskai. Their mantis rider lives, but the life gain may not be irrelevant. I dunno, maybe drown in sorrow is much better, I'm just spitballing.
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Sickening posted:I think the only matchup that beats jeskai on a good % is abzan in my playtesting. Sorin and rhino are things jeskai has to have an answer to immediately. The only things that seem to deal with sorin and rhino reliably are disdainful stroke and Fated conflagration in a single card. Even if answers are found immediately those cards hitting the board put azban in a good spot. Have you tried RW walkers?
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Boxman posted:Death frenzy, maybe? I forgot that card existed until I drafted it last weekend. It spares most Abzan cards and hits a lot of threats out of Jeskai. Their mantis rider lives, but the life gain may not be irrelevant. Play Gb Devotion and play both in the same turn 
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Oct 7, 2014 16:51
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LMAO Glittering Wish is 18 bucks low on TCG player. It was 1.95 a week ago.
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Oct 7, 2014 17:27
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I got a set for trade
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mcmagic posted:Have you tried RW walkers? No, seems too janky. I am currently playing jeskai.
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Oct 7, 2014 17:36
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Sickening posted:No, seems too janky. I am currently playing jeskai. It's very similar to Jeskai... You just get more removal and are much stronger vs black aggro and you're also sitting back a lot more early game. You also have Rabblemaster instead of Mantis rider as a t3 play which i think is just better. And you don't have jeskai charm or permission out of the board. You also get to play 4x Anger of the Gods mainboard which is very strong in this format.
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mcmagic posted:LMAO Glittering Wish is 18 bucks low on TCG player. It was 1.95 a week ago. And it will swiftly drop back to 1.95 when ascendancy is banned.
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Jimmy Jazz posted:And it will swiftly drop back to 1.95 when ascendancy is banned. Yup
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mcmagic posted:It's very similar to Jeskai... You just get more removal and are much stronger vs black aggro and you're also sitting back a lot more early game. You also have Rabblemaster instead of Mantis rider as a t3 play which i think is just better. And you don't have jeskai charm or permission out of the board. You also get to play 4x Anger of the Gods mainboard which is very strong in this format. Mono black aggro is not going to be a very successful deck in this format unfortunately unless something drastically shifts. Gearing a deck that is going to be strong against it doesn't really make much sense. Mantis rider and rabblemaster are both strong turn 3 plays and each is stronger depending what you are playing against. The difference overall between the two is debatable strength wise but rabblemaster is definitely sideboarded out a lot more than mantis is in my playtesting.
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Jimmy Jazz posted:And it will swiftly drop back to 1.95 when ascendancy is banned.
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Jimmy Jazz posted:And it will swiftly drop back to 1.95 when ascendancy is banned. Due to price memory it will stick at $5 even though it's not actually playable in any other deck.
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mcmagic posted:LMAO Glittering Wish is 18 bucks low on TCG player. It was 1.95 a week ago. DAMMIT! 
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Sickening posted:Mono black aggro is not going to be a very successful deck in this format unfortunately unless something drastically shifts. Gearing a deck that is going to be strong against it doesn't really make much sense. Mantis rider and rabblemaster are both strong turn 3 plays and each is stronger depending what you are playing against. The difference overall between the two is debatable strength wise but rabblemaster is definitely sideboarded out a lot more than mantis is in my playtesting. I've just boarded it out against aggro decks... Which, granted, Rider is better against. But I feel like thats my best matchup playing RW anyway.
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I don't think aggro is particularly good at all in this format. The closest I think that's actually good is that Jeskai hybrid deck. I mean, I've played a few Sligh decks that seemed like they had something interesting going....until I played Circle of Flame out of the sideboard and that was that.
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Angry Grimace posted:I don't think aggro is particularly good at all in this format. The closest I think that's actually good is that Jeskai hybrid deck. Yeah, aggro is done for now, I mean everything is a midrange deck of one variety or another at this point, since creatures are awesome and removal sucks. If removal was better, there would be more pressure to play a low cost aggro deck, since answering those threats 1-for-1 is a losing proposition. Personally, I am a control player at heart, as in elixir.dec, I am hopeful that the protour comes up with some awesome UW control build I can crib from, or at the very least an awesome Sultai build. If control becomes a real thing 1 drop aggro in the vein of monored or monoblack has a chance at a resurgence since those strategies tend to be pretty good against hard control.
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Y'all are nuts, black and red aggro decks are still very good, though I think black is better right now. Black has a good removal suite and good sideboard options, and all the popular 3 color decks open fairly slow due to taplands. I havent been able to play against jeskai tempo locally, but I probably have a 60-70% winrate against my local meta, which is mosty netdecked abzan midranges, monogreens, and a few sultai control. Jeskai tempo seems like it would be a rough matchup though.
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Angry Grimace posted:I don't think aggro is particularly good at all in this format. The closest I think that's actually good is that Jeskai hybrid deck. I really like turning poo poo sideways and I have 90% of the deck already so I am going to play Mono B aggro for a few weeks and hopefully tear through some jank but with azbans cards I don't expect it to last too long. Also that burgergate dude is a complete douche bag and should take a year or two out of the game to practice not being an rear end in a top hat.
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My Abzan midrange is testing out 4x Reaper and 4x Rhino ... cause of the big 5 toughness. It takes a lot to get through that, and the Hexproof on a Reaper means it can't be dropped after blocking by a spell reliably. I don't know how it will actually fair, but I am trying them instead of something else in that slot that may be cheaper, or with better evasion.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Y'all are nuts, black and red aggro decks are still very good, though I think black is better right now. Black has a good removal suite and good sideboard options, and all the popular 3 color decks open fairly slow due to taplands. I havent been able to play against jeskai tempo locally, but I probably have a 60-70% winrate against my local meta, which is mosty netdecked abzan midranges, monogreens, and a few sultai control. Jeskai tempo seems like it would be a rough matchup though. It is good, but there are a lot of easy answers for the green midrange decks to splash. Green midrange is usually paired with black or red. Both colors right now have the premium anti-aggro sweepers. I've been smacked around by black aggro, but I've also given it an absolute beating. Really depends on the draws. I've been working on my GR monsters board, right now I'm going 3 crater's claws maindeck, 2 setessan tactics 3 arc lightning as sideboard. Tactics is a fun card against aggro, it is usually at least a 2 for 1 if not better with caryatid and courser happily punching out most of their dudes.
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So I've come back to MTGO after quitting slightly before Theros and holy poo poo the new client is still so slow. That's the only way to play now, right?
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jassi007 posted:It is good, but there are a lot of easy answers for the green midrange decks to splash. Green midrange is usually paired with black or red. Both colors right now have the premium anti-aggro sweepers. I've been smacked around by black aggro, but I've also given it an absolute beating. Really depends on the draws. I've been working on my GR monsters board, right now I'm going 3 crater's claws maindeck, 2 setessan tactics 3 arc lightning as sideboard. Tactics is a fun card against aggro, it is usually at least a 2 for 1 if not better with caryatid and courser happily punching out most of their dudes. This is all true, and I think the G/x matchups are pretty dependant on hitting answers on time for both sides. I don't think it's accurate for people to say that aggro is suddenly bad though. It's a fun and fast deck that got a few really fun new sideboard cards, and is way more affordable for players who cant buy in to the new manabases. That said, I will be trying a mardu walkers control deck this week that currently costs more than any of my modern decks. Standard can be pretty stupid.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:This is all true, and I think the G/x matchups are pretty dependant on hitting answers on time for both sides. I don't think it's accurate for people to say that aggro is suddenly bad though. It's a fun and fast deck that got a few really fun new sideboard cards, and is way more affordable for players who cant buy in to the new manabases. I mean doesn't new standard hype always do this?
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Fingers McLongDong posted:This is all true, and I think the G/x matchups are pretty dependant on hitting answers on time for both sides. I don't think it's accurate for people to say that aggro is suddenly bad though. It's a fun and fast deck that got a few really fun new sideboard cards, and is way more affordable for players who cant buy in to the new manabases. I'm not saying that ALL aggro is bad, just that in the current meta it does't appear to have the necessary tools and is a huge dog against a deck that packs cheap removal and a 3/3 with vigilance and evasion as well as a dog against a deck with 2 mana 0/3's 3 mana 2/4's that gain life and 4 mana 4/5's that gain life. I am sure there is an appropriate aggro build out there, but at this point both monoblack and red are decidedly tier 2 compared to the top dogs of the format. Especially since both those decks have access to 3 mana sweepers that reset only the aggro decks board. An aggro deck may exist that can fight through it, but it really hasn't been found yet, and I am waiting for the pro tour to tell me what decks are actually going to be good going forward.
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Count Bleck posted:I mean doesn't new standard hype always do this? Yeah I guess, just feels worse this year than it did last year I guess. So many nonbasics that it seems hard/expensive to try a new deck of you weren't prepared.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Yeah I guess, just feels worse this year than it did last year I guess. So many nonbasics that it seems hard/expensive to try a new deck of you weren't prepared. The mardu "play good stuff" deck is pretty expensive and was something I was putting together when khans was being spoiled until the jeskai build came around.
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36 creature decks, devoting out hydras for 10+, 8+ 5cmc Sarkhan/Dragon decks, main deck Doomwake Giants... How inbred will the big-game decks get before blue makes an appearance in standard to punish all this? I haven't seen a meta like this in forever. e: Not to say it's a problem, just a unique set of circumstances right now I suppose.
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You've just described the thragtusk-angel standard from a couple years ago. This is what happens when wizards only wants good creatures that aren't easily killed. And yet they will do so because of the feel bad of counters and kill spells.
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Chill la Chill posted:You've just described the thragtusk-angel standard from a couple years ago. This is what happens when wizards only wants good creatures that aren't easily killed. And yet they will do so because of the feel bad of counters and kill spells. God I hated that format. Creature-based midrange is by far my least favorite archetype to play with or against. I would rather play against pre-banning modern Eggs than another drat deck that blinked thragtusk or acidic slime with restoration angel.
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