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Randler posted:Blaming Germany seems to be the liberal talking point de jour when it comes to Europe's economic situation, so I'll assume the economist is some left-wing claptrap written by poors. Yall did beat the austerity drum real hard
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Randler posted:Blaming Germany seems to be the liberal talking point de jour when it comes to Europe's economic situation, so I'll assume the economist is some left-wing claptrap written by poors. i don't remember the article, but i am going to assume it said "don't blame germany you dagos"
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Oct 8, 2014 20:38
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blame germany, imo
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I bought a year's subscription once. Never again. It's like what would happen if the assholes behind Fortune, Details, Inc., etc, suddenly came on the "right" side of the class struggle. The most champagne of socialists. yeah pretty much, though i didn't buy it. there was a few articles people would link where it was really hard to tell whether the author was intentionally writing strangely to make a point or whtehr they were just straight up a bad writer.
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zoux posted:Yall did beat the austerity drum real hard Yeah, but whether to implement austerity measures or not was still the sovereign decision of the nationstates. So go blame them. The European Union is not able to affect national budget decisions.
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Randler posted:Yeah, but whether to implement austerity measures or not was still the sovereign decision of the nationstates. So go blame them. much like deciding to participate in global capitalism is a sovereign decision, sure
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Oct 8, 2014 20:39
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Lol as if the Germans didn't make austerity implicitly required in order to receive aid.
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randler did you vote afd
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Oct 8, 2014 20:40
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Germans just can't help but go crazy for the ideas of Austrian madmen smfh
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Oct 8, 2014 20:41
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I read The Economist for the book reviews.
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ufarn posted:I read The Economist for the book reviews. -john c. calhoun
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Oct 8, 2014 20:43
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I do like Lexington.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Sounds like you've heard a story. Care to share? I unfortunately cannot.
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Oct 8, 2014 20:47
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I will tell the story: Brandon KP is in the MM and had to ship some improperly packed chemicals. They dealt with it but it was still irritating to do.
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zoux posted:Lol as if the Germans didn't make austerity implicitly required in order to receive aid. We did. But it was Greece and friends that decided they wanted to receive our aid instead and that it was worth meeting our demands. States are under no obligation to help other states out of the goodness of their figurative heart, after all. But more importantly, Greece and friends just reaped what they sow. Insufficient enforcement of tax compliance, nepotism and the like didn't come from nothing. They came because the democratically elected governments of Greece thought it would make them look like the prettiest little tramp to the almighty job creators and funneled money not only to the elites but also to the broad masses. The latter being quite evident from the ECB survey on wealth and assets held, which found that - surprisingly to some - Greece had little wealth but huge average wealth amongst it citizens, while Germany had wealth but little wealth amongst its citizens. So yeah, ironically, it has become a left/liberal talking point that in the case of Greece, Germany should perpetuate a state brought on by predatory capitalism that is usually villified by the left. 
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Oct 8, 2014 20:49
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Incorrect but a pretty good guess.
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Badger of Basra posted:smart arguments for bad things are overrated I'd rather at least have the possibility of changing my mind. If I do not, then I know that it is not just because I chose the dumbest strawman to argue against.
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Randler posted:We did. But it was Greece and friends that decided they wanted to receive our aid instead and that it was worth meeting our demands. States are under no obligation to help other states out of the goodness of their figurative heart, after all. But more importantly, Greece and friends just reaped what they sow. Insufficient enforcement of tax compliance, nepotism and the like didn't come from nothing. They came because the democratically elected governments of Greece thought it would make them look like the prettiest little tramp to the almighty job creators and funneled money not only to the elites but also to the broad masses. The latter being quite evident from the ECB survey on wealth and assets held, which found that - surprisingly to some - Greece had little wealth but huge average wealth amongst it citizens, while Germany had wealth but little wealth amongst its citizens. WEll maybe you shouldn't have yoked your economy to theirs but you did and if one country goes down they all might go down so let's not pretend like this was out of the goodness of your cold German hearts. Because also austerity exacerbated rather than fixed anything.
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I vote for whichever party is most likely to win and push the nazi pedophiles of the SPD off the government bench.  zoux posted:WEll maybe you shouldn't have yoked your economy to theirs but you did and if one country goes down they all might go down so let's not pretend like this was out of the goodness of your cold German hearts. Because also austerity exacerbated rather than fixed anything. I never meant to imply that we help anyone out of the goodness of our hearts. We do it for our sake, though our economy isn't actually as dependant on the PIIGS as they'd like to think, even if Greece is pretty good at buying our weapon systems while they let their people die in the streets. 
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Part of the bailout settlement was that German citizens got to feel moral superiority and condescension towards a swarthy people, which has been banned there since 1945.
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zoux posted:Part of the bailout settlement was that German citizens got to feel moral superiority and condescension towards a swarthy people, which has been banned there since 1945. Every German citizen already has a feeling of moral superiorty and condescension towards non-Germans and slight-different-subset of Germans by default already.
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Oct 8, 2014 20:59
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Germany's economy is heading the way of France. With the way things are going in the Eurozone, in a year time all German's will be proud lazy non productive debt filled Southern Europeans.
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Randler posted:though our economy isn't actually as dependant on the PIIGS as they'd like to think ahahahahaha oh boy you neoliberal retards had NO loving IDEA what the euro meant did you never ever thought i'd be thanking gordon loving brown
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Basically globalism only works as long was we all close our eyes and wish real hard that it's fine, just fine thanks.
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Oct 8, 2014 21:11
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our economies aren't too heavily dependant on them? our currency you say? well i don't see what that has to do with our (greece leaves the eu, PIIGS all default) hey where's all our money AND MARKETS OH GOD AND ABILITY TO LOAN GO OH gently caress
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Oct 8, 2014 21:11
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im going to move to munich to male gaze all the babes in the dresses that serve you beer
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CoolCab posted:ahahahahaha oh boy you neoliberal retards had NO loving IDEA what the euro meant did you Tell me more about how the Euro no longer being at its crazy overrated levels (yet still noticeably higher than during its inception) is a bad thing for an export nation.
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Oct 8, 2014 21:12
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"i'll take two jugs.....and some beer too" is one of the jokes I'll say
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Oct 8, 2014 21:13
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federalize europe now. all of it.
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Randler posted:Tell me more about how the Euro no longer being at its crazy overrated levels (yet still noticeably higher than during its inception) is a bad thing for an export nation. no i'm sure you'll continue selling bmws to the two people in greece who can still afford it while half their youth are unemployed that sounds sustainable. eating is nice, but have you considered the merits of unfettered globalization
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CoolCab posted:no i'm sure you'll continue selling bmws to the two people in greece who can still afford it while half their youth are unemployed that sounds sustainable. eating is nice, but have you considered the merits of unfettered globalization And MP5s.
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it it better for ze greeks to do ze hard choices now, specifically ze choice where they choose economic suicide in exchange for ze german stability. you should all follow ze german example and have a century old tradition and infrastructure to make ze luxury cars. you can sell zem to all ze other successful zeurozone zeconomies such as:
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Oct 8, 2014 21:24
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The EU should have learned lessons about monetary policy from the US, who has been doing this since before Bismark.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:The EU should have learned lessons about monetary policy from the US, who has been doing this since before Bismark. Bismarck 
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Well we are the ones that constructed the modern German economy.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Bismarck Bisdeutchemark.
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How exactly would one go about getting on wingnut welfare? Making lots of money for shouting stupid things that nobody sane believes sounds like a fairly sweet gig.
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Badger of Basra posted:
Freedom Fighter was a PR euphemism for terrorist.
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 Before choosing Todd, NBC News president Deborah Turness held negotiations with Jon Stewart about hosting Meet the Press
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