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You can have a show that's mostly a procedural or has stand-alone episodes and still have character development. The problem with Agents of SHIELD is that it was bad at that too.Gaz-L posted:Certainly possible. The Deadshot and Deathstroke costumes on Arrow evolved over time, and Oliver's suit is apparently getting a revamp this season. Oliver's changed his bow and his mask as well. I really prefer the original bow though.
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Madkal posted:
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:You're welcome. I'm sorry I doubted. Nice fact. Vancovuer is also Caprica in sepia tone.
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I watched through all of season 1 of Arrow and I regretted it. All I really wanted was the moment for Green Arrow to stop calling himself "The Hood", but that moment never came. Didn't help that the acting was pretty bad.
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Aphrodite posted:In fact, the main plot of the first 2 episodes this season (SHIELD traitor selling secrets leads to 084 and the aftermath of that) and their villain character that everyone seems to agree were pretty good could have been done in season 1 pre-Winter Soldier too. Not really. They don't say exactly which things they couldn't touch in season 1, but traitors and moles in SHIELD are sure as hell something they weren't allowed to show at all for obvious reasons. Absorbing Man - sure, they could have done that. goldenoreos posted:I watched through all of season 1 of Arrow and I regretted it. All I really wanted was the moment for Green Arrow to stop calling himself "The Hood", but that moment never came. Didn't help that the acting was pretty bad. They kinda try to do an overreaching arc with what he is called/calls himself. And the acting outside of Huntress, Thea and Laurel were fine, perfectly average TV fare, with some real outstanding performances (Barrowman!, Manu Bennett, Paul Blackthorne, Stephen Amell, Susanna Thompson) Decius fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Oct 8, 2014 |
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goldenoreos posted:I watched through all of season 1 of Arrow and I regretted it. All I really wanted was the moment for Green Arrow to stop calling himself "The Hood", but that moment never came. Didn't help that the acting was pretty bad. He calls himself The Arrow in the second season
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Skwirl posted:He calls himself The Arrow in the second season Which thematically makes sense. In season one he has to overcome just being an angry man lashing out at people and accept his role at being a hero - something he finally embraces by the end of the season, but it took him a long (and satisfying imo) time to get there. Season one was all about him growing as a person and a symbol.
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The Arrow show is an origin story. You don't start an origin story with the hero already established with nothing to learn.
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Decius posted:They kinda try to do an overreaching arc with what he is called/calls himself. And the acting outside of Huntress, Thea and Laurel were fine, perfectly average TV fare, with some real outstanding performances (Barrowman!, Manu Bennett, Paul Blackthorne, Stephen Amell, Susanna Thompson) And I think Thea really improves in season 2 as well.
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Madkal posted:Which thematically makes sense. In season one he has to overcome just being an angry man lashing out at people and accept his role at being a hero - something he finally embraces by the end of the season, but it took him a long (and satisfying imo) time to get there. Season one was all about him growing as a person and a symbol. Yeah it's not like they just called him The Hood or constantly had people jokingly talk about green arrows because they thought it'd be funny to tease the fans. It was an important part of the first season and Oliver's growth as a character. Compare that to like, Gotham's approach to origin stories and names.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:And I think Thea really improves in season 2 as well. It helped that in season 2 they actually gave Thea something to do. It really seems like they weren't sure what they wanted to do with the character originally.
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muscles like this? posted:It helped that in season 2 they actually gave Thea something to do. It really seems like they weren't sure what they wanted to do with the character originally. It helped a lot. They also avoided doing some stuff; it would have been so easy and so stupid to write a love triangle (or jealousy thing) with Thea, Roy and Sin
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At a Q&A I went to Amell said that making him Green Arrow, despite the joke about it, has always been the plan.
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Mark Waid approves. (That's a playboy link, it's sfw but you know, playboy in your browser history).
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Odds on Tom Cavanaugh's character actually being Rip Hunter in disguise?
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Waterhaul posted:The Arrow show is an origin story. You don't start an origin story with the hero already established with nothing to learn. I never said I wanted him to not grow, it's just that there were multiple points throughout season 1 where he learns to not focus solely on the list as a vigilante (which apparently he needs to relearn multiple times because the writers forget they already taught him this lesson) that he could have stopped calling himself "the hood". I don't really feel like I'm asking for much when the freaking show is called Arrow.
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So your major beef is that the dude is called the Hood?
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zoux posted:So your major beef is that the dude is called the Hood? Wait till the second season when this is addressed! The whole point was in the first season he was obsessed with it, and it was only a certain event taking place he starts to see the bigger picture.
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zoux posted:So your major beef is that the dude is called the Hood? I have more of a beef with the story of Season 1. Him being called the Hood was just an annoying aspect that I thought was going to go away midway through the first season, but didn't.
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Geez man you out of cheerio's? It's pretty much the best super hero show made thus far. Just roll with it, stop over thinking poo poo.
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I think I'm the only person who actually liked the show best when he was just straight up murdering slumlords and corrupt CEOs. I got sorta pissed at that Royal Flush gang episode where Diggle was all "if you really want to help people, you should fight bank robbers." My inner socialist was screaming "No, keep killing the rich fucks who put the bank robbers in the economic situation where they felt the need to rob banks." I still like the show, I Just liked it better when he was Marxist Punisher. And I don't like the season openers focus on organized crime, even with last season we had Blood as a politician and Slade presenting himself as a businessman when he finally reveals himself.
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Skwirl posted:I think I'm the only person who actually liked the show best when he was just straight up murdering slumlords and corrupt CEOs. I got sorta pissed at that Royal Flush gang episode where Diggle was all "if you really want to help people, you should fight bank robbers." My inner socialist was screaming "No, keep killing the rich fucks who put the bank robbers in the economic situation where they felt the need to rob banks." 
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Skwirl posted:I think I'm the only person who actually liked the show best when he was just straight up murdering slumlords and corrupt CEOs. I got sorta pissed at that Royal Flush gang episode where Diggle was all "if you really want to help people, you should fight bank robbers." My inner socialist was screaming "No, keep killing the rich fucks who put the bank robbers in the economic situation where they felt the need to rob banks." The problem was he wasn't doing that. He was killing their middle class bodyguards and then giving the slumlords a stern talking to to be nice.
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greatn posted:The problem was he wasn't doing that. He was killing their middle class bodyguards and then giving the slumlords a stern talking to to be nice. Maiming. Maiming their bodyguards.
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Rocksicles posted:Geez man you out of cheerio's? It's pretty much the best super hero show made thus far. Just roll with it, stop over thinking poo poo. I've tried doing that, but I just can't get into Arrow. I just don't think the show is for me. The Flash on the other hand looks like something I want to see.
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Aphrodite posted:Maiming. Thus ruining the livelihoods of these workers.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Thus ruining the livelihoods of these workers. They have left arms.
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Kicking someone in the balls while they are lying on the ground? That's real evil.
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General Bort posted:Kicking someone in the balls while they are lying on the ground? That's real evil. It's just to make him stronger in the end. What if a REAL villain kicked him in the balls at a crucial moment?
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General Bort posted:Kicking someone in the balls while they are lying on the ground? That's real evil. Its to make him a better hero by teaching him to wear a cup.
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bobkatt013 posted:Its to make him a better hero by teaching him to wear a cup. Have you ever tried to really run in those things? It's less painful, less often, to just take the occasional sack tap.
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greatn posted:The problem was he wasn't doing that. He was killing their middle class bodyguards and then giving the slumlords a stern talking to to be nice. I'm pretty sure he killed the guy who set his lovely apartment complex on fire for the insurance money, and as for the others I thought he dropped a couple when the stern talking to didn't work.
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He is wearing the ring that holds his costume? (Zoom I mean)
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ToastyPotato posted:He is wearing the ring that holds his costume? (Zoom I mean) Or he's in the Sinestro Corps.
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It's kind of interesting to see how the costume is almost exactly the same but not quite.
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I assume they're stunt doubles right? It kind of looks like there are two Grants.
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 That poster is awesome as hell and I think it's actually a shopped Gustin in the Zoom get up, so don't try to figure out who's Zoom.
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