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Okay, for a dude coming in on this, which episodes from the first two seasons do I have to watch
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Having Thea be the killer just seems like too hard a turn for that character. I know it's been five months since the last season ended, but you'd think we'd see some of her progression into villainy first before she starts pumping people full of arrows.
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Oct 9, 2014 18:31
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The Lord Bude posted:Has anyone else noticed that ever since Arrow, it seems like every second show out there starts with a 'My name is...' voiceover from the main character? Flash is a spinnoff, so that's ok, but then Forever did it, and Scorpion, and it seems like a whole bunch of shows. Burn notice was doing it for ages before.
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Oct 9, 2014 18:37
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Phuzzy posted:Okay, for a dude coming in on this, which episodes from the first two seasons do I have to watch ...all of them? Sorry for being glib, but while there are episodes that aren't as important to the overall story, every episode has bits of the main character's backstory and skipping those are going to leave you totally confused.
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Oct 9, 2014 18:37
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Phuzzy posted:Okay, for a dude coming in on this, which episodes from the first two seasons do I have to watch Really all of them are very worthwhile and almost all of them contribute something to the ongoing stories and back stories.
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Oct 9, 2014 18:47
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Deadpool posted:There were so many things in that episode that made me happy. I'm coming for you irl >:| Phuzzy posted:Okay, for a dude coming in on this, which episodes from the first two seasons do I have to watch This show owns from day one.
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Oct 9, 2014 18:55
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Phuzzy posted:Okay, for a dude coming in on this, which episodes from the first two seasons do I have to watch Alternatively if you don't have the time: http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/you-have-not-failed-this-city-catching-up-on-the-cws-fun-arrow Season 2 is pretty much all mandatory.
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Oct 9, 2014 18:57
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Stayne Falls posted:Just because it's a shocking sucker punch death doesn't mean it was poorly written. I think the only reason y'all are saying that is because there was 0 resolution afterward. We should probably reserve judgment till the next episode at least. Getting shot three times while looking quizzical then falling into a dumpster sure was a good way to die! Actually, no, it was a cheap moment to give everyone else character development.
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Oct 9, 2014 19:10
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It may be that she's got a new job or something, so they had to pull the trigger on it a lot faster and sooner than they would've liked.
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Oct 9, 2014 19:12
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zoux posted:It may be that she's got a new job or something, so they had to pull the trigger on it a lot faster and sooner than they would've liked. It's Arrow. What she got was a death at the end of a normal TV show's equivalent of a 7-episode "Count Vertigo" arc.
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Oct 9, 2014 19:26
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Phylodox posted:I'm not saying I want Ray and Felicity to get together, just providing an obviously superior portmanteau. From the upcoming episode titled, "Flashbang." Nephthys posted:How does the CEO of a company have enough power to literally rename a city? I don't care how multi-billion it is, isn't that something that only the mayor and the government can do? I think you're supposed to assume this is a political campaign he wants to set in motion. I laughed, because I grew up outside Hartford, CT. And for a long time, their city development campaign was, "Hartford: New England's Rising Star!" And come on...no it isn't. Thinking about it, you'd think after the first season, Starling City would be of way higher national interest. It's like post-Katrina New Orleans or post-economic-crisis Detroit, except because a domestic terrorist used an earthquake machine to mass-murder the poor. David Simon would be filming an HBO series in Starling at this point.
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Oct 9, 2014 19:26
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Also Roy got real good real fast huh?
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Oct 9, 2014 19:26
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I really hope we can quickly get over Oliver deciding to be angsty for no reason and start treating his friends like people again.
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Oct 9, 2014 19:27
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BTW (:iamafag:), I'm not quitting the show or anything over this. Arrow has built up way too much goodwill for that. I'm just disappointed. Especially since I spent the summer selling the show to friends and one of the main selling points was how well it treated its kickass ladies, letting them do their own thing and not taking the easy way out by killing them off even though practically everyone expected them to. I thought you were better than this, show. 
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Oct 9, 2014 19:34
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zoux posted:Also Roy got real good real fast huh? He was already doing parkour stuff before he even met the Arrow.
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Oct 9, 2014 19:41
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Well Laurel is about to rise into a kickass lady and Felicity still exists. I thought her "stop stringing me along you dickhead" speech was a pretty unusual direction for them to take as well as one that lends Felicity agency since she's not willing to pine by the phone for Oliver to get his poo poo together.
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Oct 9, 2014 19:41
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Kinda super glad Felicity was the one who would kill ollicity.
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Oct 9, 2014 20:12
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The arrows hit Sara just slow enough that I had time to think "Well that's a good way to have her miss a chunk of episodes this sea- Oh, okay" Also the killer is in the drat next episode preview, stop acting like you're making a prediction.
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Oct 9, 2014 20:14
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Aphrodite posted:The arrows hit Sara just slow enough that I had time to think "Well that's a good way to have her miss a chunk of episodes this sea- Oh, okay" Yeah you can clearly see who it is here. (spoiler's obv)
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Oct 9, 2014 20:16
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Aphrodite posted:The arrows hit Sara just slow enough that I had time to think "Well that's a good way to have her miss a chunk of episodes this sea- Oh, okay" I kind of doubt they're going to wrap that mystery up in one episode, but this is Arrow. I'm pretty sure the villain next week is just a red herring.
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Oct 9, 2014 20:25
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Deadpool posted:I kind of doubt they're going to wrap that mystery up in one episode, but this is Arrow. I'm pretty sure the villain next week is just a red herring. I think most likely the person in the preview is the trigger(wo)man, but that someone else ordered it.
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Oct 9, 2014 20:29
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Is that preview guy supposed to Komodo? And have we seen any shots of him before, or could it just be a rando LoA member?
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zoux posted:Is that preview guy supposed to Komodo? And have we seen any shots of him before, or could it just be a rando LoA member? Yes and yes there was a promo shot released.
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Oct 9, 2014 20:37
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Nephthys posted:How does the CEO of a company have enough power to literally rename a city? I don't care how multi-billion it is, isn't that something that only the mayor and the government can do? It's not a name change, it's an urban renewal initiative branded "Star City". With the hope that if the brand takes off, people will start calling the city Star City instead of Starling City.
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Oct 9, 2014 21:00
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Hell it worked for Centralling City 
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Oct 9, 2014 21:03
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Ugh. Sara's death was so crappy. I don't think there's a single aspect of it that wasn't atrociously-executed. I knew it was gonna happen eventually, and I even saw it coming in the episode. But once it actually happened I just couldn't stop rolling my eyes. And I'm sure it's gonna lead to some great stories in the future, just like many other fridgings do, and be incredibly moving for the remaining characters, particularly Laurel. And just like many other fridgings we'll all go "Ah, see, it led to good stories so it's totes good! All is forgiven!" And on and on the fridge cycle goes. Other downside of the episode: the Hong Kong flashback was silly from beginning to end, and not in a good silly way, more like in a "this is really dumb" silly way. Upsides: Arrow continues to salvage lame unsalvagable DC characters, 'cuz Ray Palmer was brilliant. Well...he was pretty much Ray in name only and Ted Kord completely in spirit, so that explains a lot of it.
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Oct 9, 2014 21:46
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BrianWilly posted:Ugh. Sara's death was so crappy. I don't think there's a single aspect of it that wasn't atrociously-executed. I knew it was gonna happen eventually, and I even saw it coming in the episode. But once it actually happened I just couldn't stop rolling my eyes. The term fridging as I understand it means a female character killed solely for the drama of a male character (usually a girlfriend of the hero). Moira and Shado both qualify for this but we can't count Sara yet because we have no idea why she was killed. It was just a stinger for a mystery at the end of the episode. If she was killed because of her affiliation with the league of assassins then that isn't fridging, its what happens when you join a group of people who kill other people. If it was just a move to dick over Oliver then it was a fridging.
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Oct 9, 2014 22:37
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I liked the premier and I'm excited for Laurel to be Black Canary. Kate Cassidy is an awesome actress and she deserves so much more than they've given her. I think she's going to be awesome. bobkatt013 posted:You should watch Sarah Connors Terminator and see what they do with one of the main characters in that. That death was awesome.
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KilGrey posted:I liked the premier and I'm excited for Laurel to be Black Canary. Kate Cassidy is an awesome actress and she deserves so much more than they've given her. I think she's going to be awesome. Yes she is. KilGrey posted:That death was awesome. Yes it was.
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Oct 9, 2014 22:43
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I bet this means that we're going to see a lot of Sarah in the flashback scenes.
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Oct 9, 2014 22:55
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eriktown posted:I bet this means that we're going to see a lot of Sarah in the flashback scenes. She'll probably show up from time to time, but Ollie thought she died on the island until she showed up in the city last season, remember? So she'll need to show up in other flashbacks (Amell has said that they're branching out and some episodes will have flashbacks follow the other characters, like Felicity)
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Oct 9, 2014 23:07
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KilGrey posted:I liked the premier and I'm excited for Laurel to be Black Canary. Kate Cassidy is an awesome actress and she deserves so much more than they've given her. I think she's going to be awesome. I don't get the Laurel hate that seems to come from everyone who watches this show. I find her a bit frustrating at times but that's how I'm supposed to think of her. She had a substance abuse problem last season, went through a lot of tough poo poo and made a ton of selfish decisions but now she's recovering and I'm willing to give her a second chance.
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MrFlibble posted:The term fridging as I understand it means a female character killed solely for the drama of a male character (usually a girlfriend of the hero). Moira and Shado both qualify for this but we can't count Sara yet because we have no idea why she was killed. It was just a stinger for a mystery at the end of the episode. We can see the trend playing out throughout Arrow itself. Of all the important main characters killed off through the series, we got Tommy and possibly Yao Fei on one end, and Shado, Moira, and now Sara on the other. Tommy and Yao Fei was were fridged, that's true, but Tommy in particular got fridged like a champ, performing self-sacrificing feats of heroism to save the woman he loves; the guy who was physically unimpressive, who never showed any particularly heroic attributes, goes out in a spectacular feat of masculinity, showing that even the weakest men are prone to great strength. Moira, Shado, and Sara got no grand virtuous finales; they got victimized and tied up and tossed off a building. Three of the deadliest women on the show, two of them stalwart heroes, are helpless to stop the bad guys from killing them, showing that even the strongest women (and Yao Fei, I suppose) are ultimately powerless when all is said and done. It's a trend that pops up over and over again through media.
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Oct 9, 2014 23:12
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Amazing start to the Season. But it was obviously Felicity that shot the Canary, so she would have no competition.
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Oct 9, 2014 23:17
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I haven't been following much since season two so Sara getting iced was a surprise for me. I actually thought when she first appeared in the episode "drat there are too many characters in the show at the moment", and then she died a few scenes later. Was quite the shock.
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Oct 9, 2014 23:24
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No one remembers Sin? Clearly she's the killer - classic jealous rage; Sara never came around anymore.
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Oct 9, 2014 23:25
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BrianWilly posted:I don't want to get too deeply into this because I'm sure I've already exceeded the upper limit of talking about this specific topic on this forum, but that's really only one part of fridging; it's really a mix of death, disempowerment, and gratuity. The original Women in Refrigerators website that Gail Simone started, for instance, didn't just list off girlfriend that got killed to make their boyfriends sad; it was a list of all female characters in comics that got somehow shuffled off the stage by way of death or disempowerment, as an examination of why there were so few active, powerful female superheroes that writers could write about, thereby examining the difference between how female characters were treated in those instances versus male characters in comparable situations. Uh, Moira was a badass.
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^^Seriously. Moira went out far more heroically than Tommy, or Robert, or Yao Fe, etc.MrFlibble posted:The term fridging as I understand it means a female character killed solely for the drama of a male character (usually a girlfriend of the hero). Moira and Shado both qualify for this but we can't count Sara yet because we have no idea why she was killed. It was just a stinger for a mystery at the end of the episode. Yeah, possibly. But I'd contend Shado is the only classically "fridged" character in your list. As I understand it, the term applies mostly to a woman who has no characterization outside of her male relationships; she serves *only* to motivate the (male) heroes because she has no inner life. It's not just that she died and other characters reacted to it, it's that she was designed to die and demonstrated no agency in the process. Moira and Sara were both very well-defined characters, who demonstrated clear agency and had distinct arcs in their own right. They did die, and their deaths ultimately motivate other characters to do things, but I don't think anyone can say death was their primary purpose. (Particularly Moira...she went out like a boss, and it offered very real closure for her personal story: her conflict was always the friction between her cutthroat role in business and her drive to be a good mother, and she got to choose brave self-sacrifice as a final show of love for her children.) Even if Sara was killed off just to motivate Ollie, it doesn't retroactively take away her nuances or render her character a non-agent. If anything, she was wine-coolered. And the person her death will motivate won't be Ollie...it'll be Laurel, so there's still a feminist case to be made for that wrinkle. Xealot fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Oct 9, 2014 |
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Oct 9, 2014 23:51
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This Sara death was the best one yet.
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^^^ - having a woman die in order to motivate a woman or a man doesn't really make her death more or less feminist. I am mildly disappointed at the Arrow writers for not having Sara whisper up at laurel moments before her death "...it's *cough* just a flesh wound... *gasp splutter* *dies*" Drifter fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Oct 9, 2014 |
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